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LightSpectra
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On July 22 2026 13:19 Simberto wrote: You didn't answer the question. You just deflected to something else. I did answer the question by giving you an idea we have accepted worse and still regarded their research as legit. You are just not processing it. If you need a direct answer, then yes, if they are able to write a convincing paper backed with research and pass every other requirement, then yes. The last thing education is about, is branding people and not accepting their work. That's against the very foundation of research and papers. the work, the scientific method etc. | ||
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LightSpectra
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You're basically saying universities should reward people for being convincing conmen if factual truth isn't the foundation. | ||
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ETisME
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On July 22 2026 13:21 LightSpectra wrote: Quite a big difference between pure junk science like miasma theory or young earth creationism versus a live virus that experts have to advise on while the data is still being collected, don't you think? Nope. miasma theory or young earth creationism -> wouldn't be able to be used in the assignment papers because those would not have been in creditable research paper database. You can't get a degree because you are using subpar sources. live virus that experts have to advise on while the data is still being collected -> It cames down to covid being airborne, and what level of mask would be effective. Masks were shown to be useful when Hong Kong University presented a research paper. I am not sure why the academic research field is difficult for people to understand. It's statement/papers backed by research data. | ||
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On July 22 2026 13:27 LightSpectra wrote: Lol okay, walk me through how a flat earther is "able to write a convincing paper backed with research and pass every other requirement." You're basically saying universities should reward people for being convincing conmen if factual truth isn't the foundation. You seem to think they can, not me. You seem to think there's no creditable research paper that shows the benefits of technological innovation resulting from economic development can be solution to adapt and lower impact of climate change. The problem is you. If a flat earther is able to conduct and write a research paper that is scientifically and academically grounded, then that's how he would be able to pass. That's the whole point of academic field. The academic research field has never been about gatekeeping "truth", you must have a terrible misunderstanding how the academic world works. Why would you even think otherwise? We aren't burning scholars because they claim Earth rotates around the Sun anymore. | ||
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LightSpectra
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On July 22 2026 13:30 ETisME wrote: Nope. miasma theory or young earth creationism -> wouldn't be able to be used in the assignment papers because those would not have been in creditable research paper database. You can't get a degree because you are using subpar sources. Okay but who's gatekeeping the research databases? If you're passing people who believe junk science because they were rhetorically capable of defending it, those people are going to be the ones in charge of the research databases in the next generation. The scientific method is reliable precisely because accredited universities don't reward people for peddling junk. If they did then the whole process would collapse because the people doing the experiments and the people doing the peer review aren't competent to the task. Young earth creationists, as a matter of fact, have their own internal eco system of "researchers" and "databases" to share their "research." It's the job of real scientists to make sure their students don't cite them, either accidentally or maliciously. On July 22 2026 13:32 ETisME wrote: Why would you even think otherwise? We aren't burning scholars because they claim Earth rotates around the Sun anymore. Yeah because at some point we stopped letting geocentrists graduate lmao. That's literally my exact point demonstrated for me flawlessly, thank you. | ||
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On July 22 2026 13:38 LightSpectra wrote: Okay but who's gatekeeping the research databases? If you're passing people who believe junk science because they were rhetorically capable of defending it, those people are going to be the ones in charge of the research databases in the next generation. The scientific method is reliable precisely because accredited universities don't reward people for peddling junk. If they did then the whole process would collapse because the people doing the experiments and the people doing the peer review aren't competent to the task. Young earth creationists, as a matter of fact, have their own internal eco system of "researchers" and "databases" to share their "research." It's the job of real scientists to make sure their students don't cite them, either accidentally or maliciously. Yeah because at some point we stopped letting geocentrists graduate lmao >Okay but who's gatekeeping the research databases? If you're passing people who believe junk science because they were rhetorically capable of defending it, those people are going to be the ones in charge of the research databases in the next generation. You can do your own research. This isn't anything new. Research and publication field have been around for more than 300 years plus. >The scientific method is reliable precisely because accredited universities don't reward people for peddling junk. The scientific method is to reliably accept creditable challenges. Here's the official definition: The scientific method is a systematic, empirical process used to acquire knowledge. It relies on careful observation, formulating a testable hypothesis, conducting controlled experiments, analyzing data, and validating or revising the hypothesis to build reliable, reproducible explanations of the natural world. >Yeah because at some point we stopped letting geocentrists graduate lmao. That's literally my exact point demonstrated for me flawlessly, thank you. Nope. It's because we learnt to use scientific method to allow proof/disprove, not by getting better at branding people | ||
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On July 22 2026 13:56 LightSpectra wrote: "Do your own research" means building upon valid experiments/studies that have already been done. It would be literally impossible to learn anything about medicine if you had to wade through thousands of maliciously-submitted antivax or miasma "papers" while trying to find legitimate research. That's why medical journals and universities don't publish them. Again, the idea is medical journals and universities only base it around whether the research is scientifically sound and peer reviewed. Not whether you think some journals were maliciously-submitted and therefore untrustworthy. And it's actually entirely possible to build a new research of your own, and then compare across other researches against parts of your research. (like the method used etc) I am actually a bit surprised/confused, are you not taught about these in high school? We have to use scientific papers, journalists, researches, since like year 9 or so. | ||
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LightSpectra
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Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review. | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:08 LightSpectra wrote: The first step of peer review is immediately throwing something in the garbage if it obviously has no merit. That is, again, why biologists aren't wasting half their day continually re-debunking miasma theory. Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review. >Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review that's a big assumption, considering I was referencing credible research papers. Again, are you not taught what scientific method is? I hope you are learning. Also I wasn't writing a research to be published. the educator is meant to point out where the issue is, not on whether they agree with the conclusion. Don't role play yourself as the tutor now  | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:08 LightSpectra wrote: The first step of peer review is immediately throwing something in the garbage if it obviously has no merit. That is, again, why biologists aren't wasting half their day continually re-debunking miasma theory. Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review. For the record, a tutor telling you to change topic isn't what peer review means. | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:16 ETisME wrote: >Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review that's a big assumption, considering I was referencing credible research papers. Again, are you not taught what scientific method is? I hope you are learning. Also I wasn't writing a research to be published. the educator is meant to point out where the issue is, not on whether they agree with the conclusion. Don't role play yourself as the tutor now How do you know your tutor was suggesting you change subjects because of a personal motivation, and not because you weren't making a compelling argument? From my perspective either could be true. | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:22 EnDeR_ wrote: What was the grading rubric for this document? What was the context, which degree programme, which year? We normally add accuracy checks as part of any assessments involving external research. I must have the draft somewhere; the claim was that the rate of economic growth tied to development of climate change tools and rate of adaptions per regions. Obviously not too difficult to write about, given a lot of these are quantifiable data with case studies.. It's just the standard final assignments. for economics (social science, not the commerce). Accuracy is easy since I was only referencing the university provided research paper portal access and major news outlet basing around past events. They didn't give me a failure, they just said I should pick another topic all together. Who knows, maybe they thought it's too broad or predictive. | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:41 Fleetfeet wrote: How do you know your tutor was suggesting you change subjects because of a personal motivation, and not because you weren't making a compelling argument? From my perspective either could be true. the latter would have been an advice on how to change the structure etc, what can be addressed etc. It really isn't difficult to write, because basic economic theory is higher investment and higher growth is correlated. My twist is just to add the green energy part to it, and also a general improvement in technology energy efficiency, adaption, gov policy. There's already a ton of papers and info on it. Some of it does come down to the professor/tutor preference. I just finished my post graduate certificate, and the lecturer preferred me to present countering arguments, since I literally have been in the manufacturing sector for a decade and can give actual on-hand experience how some gatekeeping policies are being manipulated. Got my HD grade too. | ||
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Acrofales
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On July 22 2026 14:16 ETisME wrote: >Your tutor telling you your paper on climate change was bad enough that you should pick a different topic was doing peer review that's a big assumption, considering I was referencing credible research papers. Again, are you not taught what scientific method is? I hope you are learning. Also I wasn't writing a research to be published. the educator is meant to point out where the issue is, not on whether they agree with the conclusion. Don't role play yourself as the tutor now You're talking drivel. I worked as a university professor for a while and graded assignments. Here's how it works: before the class starts, we establish what the students are expected to learn in the course and set up clear instructions as well as clear criteria for grading. So for the example let's stick with a class on web development. The associated practical assignment is to build an e-commerce website. The instructions say to ensure it's legal and ethical. If you follow the assignment and decide to build a website for selling Nazi paraphernalia, I would have told you in the second session (when ideas needed to be presented) that that doesn't count as an ethical topic, and you should pick a different theme. If you don't and on session 3 you insist that selling Nazi paraphernalia is an ethical topic, I'll just scale it up to the dean, and whatever the dean decides is what we'll go with. And while I haven't had any students try to build a website selling Nazi paraphernalia, there have been a few edgelords suggesting drugs as their product. Usually I just told them to sell cannabis products instead, and it's fine. The topic, however, is over of exactly two areas where any subjectivity is allowed, and the topic isn't part of the rubric. It's a prerequisite for getting graded at all, and there's plenty of time to discuss and change it during the quadrimester. Inside the rubric there are 9 points to be given out for entirely objective things like "does clicking the buy button add the product to your shopping cart". The final point, which is allowed to be subjective, is for general UX. If you got enough of the regular points, UX is almost always a freebie: the only way to fuck that up would be to intentionally pick some clashing colors, the text in Comic sans and everything blinking all the time. And even then, I'd probably give the points for creativity: you understand how to use CSS to get a customised look and feel, even if you used it to troll me. | ||
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_University_of_Oklahoma_essay_controversy where this lady gets a low grade and blames anti conservative bias, when she basically did not use any citations, and just used her weird dogma to answer the question. Her essay was trash and wouldn't even held up if it was used in a seminary setting. | ||
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On July 22 2026 14:52 Acrofales wrote: You're talking drivel. I worked as a university professor for a while and graded assignments. Here's how it works: before the class starts, we establish what the students are expected to learn in the course and set up clear instructions as well as clear criteria for grading. So for the example let's stick with a class on web development. The associated practical assignment is to build an e-commerce website. The instructions say to ensure it's legal and ethical. If you follow the assignment and decide to build a website for selling Nazi paraphernalia, I would have told you in the second session (when ideas needed to be presented) that that doesn't count as an ethical topic, and you should pick a different theme. If you don't and on session 3 you insist that selling Nazi paraphernalia is an ethical topic, I'll just scale it up to the dean, and whatever the dean decides is what we'll go with. And while I haven't had any students try to build a website selling Nazi paraphernalia, there have been a few edgelords suggesting drugs as their product. Usually I just told them to sell cannabis products instead, and it's fine. The topic, however, is over of exactly two areas where any subjectivity is allowed, and the topic isn't part of the rubric. It's a prerequisite for getting graded at all, and there's plenty of time to discuss and change it during the quadrimester. Inside the rubric there are 9 points to be given out for entirely objective things like "does clicking the buy button add the product to your shopping cart". The final point, which is allowed to be subjective, is for general UX. If you got enough of the regular points, UX is almost always a freebie: the only way to fuck that up would be to intentionally pick some clashing colors, the text in Comic sans and everything blinking all the time. And even then, I'd probably give the points for creativity: you understand how to use CSS to get a customised look and feel, even if you used it to troll me. Ok, you say I am talking drivel, but you literally replied to me with a non-structured sentence? I love how it always go back to nazi. I am not in the IT field. Do you use research papers reference to grade assignments? Would you have taken me to the Dean by doing a research paper on economic growth leads to more climate science tools then? >ll just scale it up to the dean, and whatever the dean decides is what we'll go with Exactly. If it's deemed a reasonable and relevant topic, you still have to go with it. You rate it based on the rubric, not whatever topic you feel uncomfortable with. That's literally not your job. As an ex-professor, is it logical to you, that I would get to final assignments, without knowing the basic course structure and not already done a few assignments and papers? As an ex-professor then, is your chunk of text serving much value if you had the correct expectation, i.e. I would have done a few courses and assignments? | ||
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