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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 21 2026 14:52 GMT
#117321
They just removed their troops from 3 pilot areas to allow the Lebanese army to take over security for those areas. So far their agreement with the government is surprisingly holding in spite of Iran and the US.
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States830 Posts
July 21 2026 16:21 GMT
#117322
On July 21 2026 19:51 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2026 18:12 dyhb wrote:
On July 21 2026 16:07 oBlade wrote:
On July 21 2026 11:15 dyhb wrote:
Smoot-Hawley is so defunct this is smacked down by the courts this week.

There is nothing defunct about what the White House cited, which is extant law.

On July 20th the White House wrote:
1. Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930 (19 U.S.C. 1338) (section 338) empowers the President to, among other things, impose duties on imports of a foreign country to offset the burden or disadvantage from a foreign country’s discrimination against or unequal imposition on the commerce of the United States.

19 USC 1338 means the US Code now.

Did you by any chance get "defunct" from this exact article? https://reason.com/volokh/2026/07/20/trump-imposes-new-illegal-tariffs-on-canada/ It's disinformation.

Really hard for something to be "defunct" that's in the current US Code. Which everyone can read for themselves here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/19/1338

It's certainly possible President Boasberg or any number of other district court judges will claim the administration can't do this, but most parts of the text appear to be non-justiciable policy questions. It also doesn't have the same procedural path as Section 301 of the Trade Act which needs a USTR investigation. It just needs the president to find it serves the public interest to impose a duty against discriminatory trade practices. Which from the outlined facts seems plausible for cars and dairy and alcohol. Even if it's an existing trade war, Section 338 doesn't have a "you started it" exception that voids the president's power. So whether Canada's discriminatory trade policies are a response to Trump's earlier prodding of the fires or not, seems he has the authority to counter them if he wants.

And the cool thing is Section 338 duties stack with other tariffs already. So he's not raising the max to 50%, he's adding 50%.
The colloquial use of the word, not whatever that article is alleging.

Exists, but hasn't been touched for a while?
1930s vintage, never been used in a hundred years, never been tested at the courts for everything from vagueness to non-delegation? Yeah, all of the above. I'll leave it to the lawyers to debate the articles you linked. They hinge on some pretty intricate reasoning on whether it was repealed (superceded?) by post-Smoot-Hawley legislation. I'm not going to dive into original meaning and original intent on ancient trade legislation, but I will read the court decisions and dissents. Obviously, one of your linked articles is from a lawyer with legal reasoning, though you can believe that his free trade bias clouds his legal reasoning.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-21 16:31:12
July 21 2026 16:30 GMT
#117323
On July 21 2026 23:29 Billyboy wrote:
Conflict looks to be spreading. Now maybe Trump will capitulate even harder to Iran and we will be back to “ceasefire “. But it’s hard to predict without knowing his recent stock purchases and recent accepted bribes.


Well, the White House is now asking Congress for extra $67b because the money for war is running out while Iran is threatening to enter Kuwait with ground army to go through the US bases there and capture POWs for negotiations..

So much winning!
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12059 Posts
July 21 2026 16:32 GMT
#117324
On July 21 2026 21:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to dig through the history of the nasty Acid Rain issue that plagued the great lakes areas on both sides of the border. Canada and the USA did a great job working together to solve a difficult environmental issue. No tariffs , no sabre-rattling.. somehow the Republicans and the Progressive Conservatives, very quietly, got it done.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/air-pollution/issues/transboundary/canada-united-states-air-quality-agreement-overview.html

The human populations around the great lakes benefited enormously since 1991.

Contrast this with the 3-ring circus surrounding the wildfires issue plaguing both sides of the great lakes region this year. Its sad man.. just sad.


Turns out if you talk to people with a common goal, like a sane person, you can get stuff done.

If you act like an insane bully and always try to "win" every human contact through abusive "manliness", nothing gets done and stuff gets worse.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 21 2026 16:48 GMT
#117325
On July 22 2026 01:30 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2026 23:29 Billyboy wrote:
Conflict looks to be spreading. Now maybe Trump will capitulate even harder to Iran and we will be back to “ceasefire “. But it’s hard to predict without knowing his recent stock purchases and recent accepted bribes.


Well, the White House is now asking Congress for extra $67b because the money for war is running out while Iran is threatening to enter Kuwait with ground army to go through the US bases there and capture POWs for negotiations..

So much winning!

This is by far the war that has been won the most!

That being said, that sounds like an empty threat to me. If Iran was to move their army like that the US would quickly mop them up. It is the exact scenario they have trained for and are equipped with all the best stuff to deal with. Iran is best to just keep sending all their cheap drones they can launch from anywhere and have the US intercept them with super expensive anti air missiles and some getting through.

Basically they can do so much economic damage with their drones, I don’t see any reason why they would risk any of their army.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
July 21 2026 17:01 GMT
#117326
Indeed, the way to beat the American army is well documented, don't give them an army to directly engage.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4268 Posts
July 21 2026 17:14 GMT
#117327
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5980832-trump-downplays-china-election-claims/

"“Well, we’re going to talk to them about it. It took place a long time ago. I think China is maybe a little bit different today than it was then,” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun. "


Its crazy how he completely ignores the entire point of the rhetorical goal of last week's propaganda proclamation. China is evil, China is bad, China is stealing our elections......" the consequences for that? "🤷"
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18478 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-21 17:25:01
July 21 2026 17:23 GMT
#117328
On July 22 2026 02:14 lestye wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5980832-trump-downplays-china-election-claims/

"“Well, we’re going to talk to them about it. It took place a long time ago. I think China is maybe a little bit different today than it was then,” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun. "


Its crazy how he completely ignores the entire point of the rhetorical goal of last week's propaganda proclamation. China is evil, China is bad, China is stealing our elections......" the consequences for that? "🤷"

No, you don't understand. China needs to be a big scary boogeyman for the AMUHRICAN, so they allow Trump to push through anti-democratic legislation out of fear.

But China shouldn't be antagonized into messing up trade, because the economy is already fucked enough, so no actions against China are to be taken. But if you're an AMUHRICAN you need to always remember that China is scary and wants to steal your vote! Remember you have always been at war with Eastasia!
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3416 Posts
July 21 2026 17:30 GMT
#117329
The election fraud allegations were last week, you're asking far too much for an eighty year old to keep up with.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24419 Posts
July 21 2026 18:25 GMT
#117330
On July 22 2026 02:23 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 02:14 lestye wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5980832-trump-downplays-china-election-claims/

"“Well, we’re going to talk to them about it. It took place a long time ago. I think China is maybe a little bit different today than it was then,” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun. "


Its crazy how he completely ignores the entire point of the rhetorical goal of last week's propaganda proclamation. China is evil, China is bad, China is stealing our elections......" the consequences for that? "🤷"

+ Show Spoiler +
No, you don't understand. China needs to be a big scary boogeyman for the AMUHRICAN, so they allow Trump to push through anti-democratic legislation out of fear.

But China shouldn't be antagonized into messing up trade, because the economy is already fucked enough, so no actions against China are to be taken.
But if you're an AMUHRICAN you need to always remember that China is scary and wants to steal your vote! Remember you have always been at war with Eastasia!

Also Cuba. Can't forget Cuba is actually a major source of "US terrorist organizing".

It's the buff Bernie coloring book all over again. Hopefully since it is clearly coming from Trump and his lackeys it doesn't take hold with the "moderate Democrats" (who are inarguably a key obstacle of progress in the US) opposing the political shift DSA is pushing on party leadership.

As part of the Trump administration’s continuing attack on left-leaning groups, the US state department has listed several activists and organizations as “front groups and fellow travelers” for Cuba, including Hasan Piker and the Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls.

In a 100-page report released on Monday, the state department denounces Cuba as the “capital of 21st-century communism”, accusing the Cuban government of carrying out a “campaign of subversion” that has “infiltrated the highest reaches of the US government, recruited and cultivated generations of American activists [and] backed an unprecedented wave of leftwing terrorism on American soil”.

Describing the DSA, of which Mamdani is a member, the report says the organization “serves as a particularly potent illustration of the ideological victory of Cuba’s effort to position itself as the spiritual capital of Third Worldist radicalism”. It accuses the DSA of maintaining a “fierce, almost religious commitment to the cause of the Cuban regime


www.theguardian.com

DSA and Mamdani are electorally Democrats. Moderate Democrats are going to have to pick a side. I think a lot of Democrat supporters are going to be shocked/disappointed to find out how many of the people they considered allies will side with fascism and genocide while shaming/blaming them if they don't make the same "compromises".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1846 Posts
July 21 2026 18:54 GMT
#117331
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
July 21 2026 19:07 GMT
#117332
On July 22 2026 02:14 lestye wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5980832-trump-downplays-china-election-claims/

"“Well, we’re going to talk to them about it. It took place a long time ago. I think China is maybe a little bit different today than it was then,” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun. "


Its crazy how he completely ignores the entire point of the rhetorical goal of last week's propaganda proclamation. China is evil, China is bad, China is stealing our elections......" the consequences for that? "🤷"

The enemy is both strong and weak.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3416 Posts
July 21 2026 20:24 GMT
#117333
Rep. Steve Scalise claimed today that an ID is required to order pasta at Olive Garden.

Does... Does he fuck the pasta?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-21 20:33:04
July 21 2026 20:32 GMT
#117334
I’m not even sure where in the constitution it guarantees citizens the right to pasta.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 21 2026 20:54 GMT
#117335
Trump is considering tariffing Italy over the pasta ID requirement.
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States830 Posts
July 21 2026 20:59 GMT
#117336
You need a picture id to eat with Olive Garden's "Never-Ending Pasta Pass," but not an id to vote.

In the interest of protecting Democracy, I am fully in favor of safeguarding America's precious Italian food promotions.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 21 2026 21:01 GMT
#117337
If Trump doesn’t bring back endless shrimp to red lobster his presidency is a failure.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3416 Posts
July 21 2026 21:04 GMT
#117338
On July 22 2026 06:01 Billyboy wrote:
If Trump doesn’t bring back endless shrimp to red lobster his presidency is a failure.


Reportedly the Trump appointee to the United States Arctic Research Commission suggested annexing Greenland for this reason

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greenland-trump-shrimp-red-lobster-b3000687.html
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24419 Posts
July 21 2026 21:06 GMT
#117339
On July 22 2026 04:07 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2026 02:14 lestye wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5980832-trump-downplays-china-election-claims/

"“Well, we’re going to talk to them about it. It took place a long time ago. I think China is maybe a little bit different today than it was then,” Trump said in the Oval Office during a meeting with Lebanese President Joseph Aoun. "


Its crazy how he completely ignores the entire point of the rhetorical goal of last week's propaganda proclamation. China is evil, China is bad, China is stealing our elections......" the consequences for that? "🤷"

The enemy is both strong and weak.

This is also kinda the same framing Democrats (and posters here) are doing with Trump/Republicans isn't it?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5065 Posts
July 21 2026 22:32 GMT
#117340
On July 22 2026 03:54 Jankisa wrote:
Yeah, isn't it fun that lil Marco has let his position as governor of Venezuela go to his head and is now living out his McCarthyism fantasies by declaring union organizers as Communist infiltrators.

Can't wait for arrests to start happening and for oBlade and Introvert to start explaining to all of us how all these communists that they haven't mentioned in 10 years are taking over the US and need to be dealt with.

By the way, guys, mostly oBlade because Introvert seems a tad less culty, who won the 2020 election? Asked 3 times now and still haven't gotten the answer.


I haven't read the report yet, though I hope to find the time. But Cuban/American left-wing crossover is not a secret or something unknown, and many union organizers are very left-wing and love the Cuban "system." Teachers unions in particular seem to have an affinity for that sort of crackpottery.
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