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On January 08 2021 04:28 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 04:25 Zambrah wrote:On January 08 2021 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2021 04:19 plasmidghost wrote:
Fuck Pelosi and every other establishment Dem calling for unity with the GOP. These fascists and enablers want me dead and I refuse to "make peace" with them Its actually impossible to clean house as exclusively democrats. We need the sane part of the republicans who don't support the assault. We need the sane ones but we cannot accept unity with them unless they’re willing to remove their most severely offending members.
Unity can mean a lot of things and when Democrats usually invoke it it never amounts to anything good. Again, I hope I’m wrong, I hope it’s unity to remove the psychotic seditious congresspeople, but I cannot accept seeing unity with people like Ted fucking Cruz. What does it even mean to remove the severely offending members? You mean house/senate people voting against certifying the vote? In my eyes, impeaching and removing Trump is the most important thing, but it would also be nice to remove everyone who objected.
Trump is out either way, he needs to go for sure and immediately, but we cannot allow people like Hawkeye, Cruz, and Gaetz to continue to be involved in politics. Trump is not the only proto fascist, and these people will continue to enable and spawn more Trumps along the way. Stomping fascism out isn’t just removing Trump from office two weeks before he’d be out anyway, we have to be thorough and removing the people who pushed these conspiracy theories.
Trump is one of many who has to go. There is no going forward with people like Cruz and Hawley being allowed to be present in government.
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When are cops going to start getting charged with recklessly endangering lives (or whatever America has) by letting the rioters through the gate?
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On January 08 2021 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
When are cops going to start getting charged with recklessly endangering lives (or whatever America has) by letting the rioters through the gate?
Great question, but they won't be charged. As much as I don't like the slogan "defund the police", what happened yesterday is one hell of a great argument to get rid of any officers who are going to let things like this happen.
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On January 08 2021 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
When are cops going to start getting charged with recklessly endangering lives (or whatever America has) by letting the rioters through the gate? When the police force stops being a bastion of white supremacists?
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This demonstrates also what a bunch of crap that is Republicans arguments for states rights are. You have these lawmakers that are staunch supporters of states rights have the gall to come up and tell states like Arizona and Pennsylvania that they don't have the right to select there electors and congress need to step in and select them. How does you brain not melt from the hypocrisy.
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On January 08 2021 05:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
When are cops going to start getting charged with recklessly endangering lives (or whatever America has) by letting the rioters through the gate? Great question, but they won't be charged. As much as I don't like the slogan "defund the police", what happened yesterday is one hell of a great argument to get rid of any officers who are going to let things like this happen.
I mean in many parts of America atm, it seems like that'd be something to put on your resume if you were applying for a law enforcement job.
I hate to say it, but I kinda think GH was right after seeing the difference between BLM response and this. No rubber bullets, no tear gas etc.
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On January 08 2021 04:21 Uldridge wrote:
Yeah Zambrah, elected officials of the United States of America shouldn't think theres a need for unity right now. What they should be thinking is to find a way to disenfranchise two ideologue demographies from each other and create a rift two create the Norhtern and Southers USA so everyone can live their lives in peace, finally!
What was Robert E Lee thinking by signing the cease fire agreement!?
It's like you guys want civil unrest or more. People can be scum, but people are misguided due to there being one too many platforms for the misguidance to intoxicate young people's minds.
Remember, the people voted Trump out of office. The people put Biden or nobody on the Presidential ticket, and many times Republicans on the lower ticket. These people aren’t presumed to be all MAGA since they didn’t turn out to support the chief of that movement. It’s somewhere between unwise and idiotic to decide this outside of the normal course of elections, and the usual publicity campaign against these candidates in future elections.
Democracy for me and not for thee? If you can’t let citizens decide to reject, you’re not in favor of Democracy and it’s laughable to want a DC power exercise as if that’s preservation of Democracy. Fuck that.
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On January 08 2021 05:15 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 05:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 08 2021 05:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
When are cops going to start getting charged with recklessly endangering lives (or whatever America has) by letting the rioters through the gate? Great question, but they won't be charged. As much as I don't like the slogan "defund the police", what happened yesterday is one hell of a great argument to get rid of any officers who are going to let things like this happen. I mean in many parts of America atm, it seems like that'd be something to put on your resume if you were applying for a law enforcement job. I hate to say it, but I kinda think GH was right after seeing the difference between BLM response and this. No rubber bullets, no tear gas etc.
No rubber bullets?? It was basically sanctioned by the police.
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On January 08 2021 05:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 04:21 Uldridge wrote:
Yeah Zambrah, elected officials of the United States of America shouldn't think theres a need for unity right now. What they should be thinking is to find a way to disenfranchise two ideologue demographies from each other and create a rift two create the Norhtern and Southers USA so everyone can live their lives in peace, finally!
What was Robert E Lee thinking by signing the cease fire agreement!?
It's like you guys want civil unrest or more. People can be scum, but people are misguided due to there being one too many platforms for the misguidance to intoxicate young people's minds. Remember, the people voted Trump out of office. The people put Biden or nobody on the Presidential ticket, and many times Republicans on the lower ticket. These people aren’t presumed to be all MAGA since they didn’t turn out to support the chief of that movement. It’s somewhere between unwise and idiotic to decide this outside of the normal course of elections, and the usual publicity campaign against these candidates in future elections. Democracy for me and not for thee? If you can’t let citizens decide to reject, you’re not in favor of Democracy and it’s laughable to want a DC power exercise as if that’s preservation of Democracy. Fuck that.
We are talking about the house and senate republicans who voted to reject the certification of Arizona's votes. There is no way to spin that as democratic representation, for that's not democracy. That's tyranny.
Before you object that characterisation, let me remind you yet again that there is utterly no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever. Even if those repesentatives and senators were elected on the premise of illegally obtaining autocracy, which they are not, that is still not democracy. For democracy is not the just merely the rule of majority, but includes protections for the rights to not be oppressed by tyranny.
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The most consequential parts of Pelosi's speech are that the Sergeant at Arms resigned (this isn't TECHNICALLY their entire job, but as we haven't been clapping people in chains for defying congressional subpeonas like we are supposed to use them for, it may as well be).
Also that she's demanding the chief of capital police resign (who should really be under congress or dc's power anyways).
As for who should be ejected? The ringleaders : Cruz, Hawley in the senate. Gosar and Gaetz in the house.
The rest, eh, whatever. Most of the House GOP has the same capability of thinking for themselves as the commonly accepted depiction of lemmings anyways.
I think most of the other senators have at least couched it in "well, can't we investigate fraud?" ... ignoring that I think literally every example of fraud so far is from their side... but asking to investigate fraud is at least something they can do (and democrats can easily say, OK we'll investigate all the examples of fraud, which are from republicans so far). I'd love for a commission to investigate DeJoy and the postal service, and that's a bipartisan thing that can easily happen (not just for votes : why sorting machines were destroyed, etc.).
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That would be some poetic justice. The law and order party sure does seem to be dragging its feet all of the sudden.
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The police let them in and practically fist bumped them on the way. Law and Order is, paradoxically, an extremely subjective phrase to them.
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mecenany gave a half assed press briefing and instantly fled the room. hilarious.
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On January 08 2021 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
I think the big issue with the local police is not the officers (they are a problem, just not the biggest) is the commander's.
It is clear they put in 100x security for the BLM protesters than these clowns. And all the data suggests farright are far more violent and dangerous. The only conclusion is racism, and it made a bad situation extremely dangerous.
Anyone who had a part in the planning of that should be fired and never work in law enforcement again.
Yeah there’s no level of policing that isn’t infested with scumbags.
White supremacists that weasel into the higher up positions will then hire in more of their white supremacist cohort, who will rise in the rank and hire in more white supremacists.
The police are rotten to their core
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On January 08 2021 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
The police let them in and practically fist bumped them on the way. Law and Order is, paradoxically, an extremely subjective phrase to them.
This isn't true. The truth is far less sensational and just another note on trumps presidency of being an incompetent racist.
If you watch the video of the police "letting them in" you'll see that the terrorists were already behind and around them. The only value to barricades is to form a perimeter.
What happened was a shocking level of incompetence or negligence that was the whole operation of there not being enough manpower to do the job. The commander panicked and instead of being able to use any of their preparations they rapidly retreated to make their stand inside the building.
The guy who took a selfie with the protester is scared out his Gord beacuse they're literally at the point of a last stand and they don't know what's going on. The woman got shot because they could retreat no further.
The result is the same really though even if they were complicit. It's the most shocking failure of leadership and everyone needs to be fired or jailed.
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I wish that more police when scared would take selfies and not shoot black people to death, tbh.
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On January 08 2021 07:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
The police let them in and practically fist bumped them on the way. Law and Order is, paradoxically, an extremely subjective phrase to them. This isn't true. The truth is far less sensational and just another note on trumps presidency of being an incompetent racist. If you watch the video of the police "letting them in" you'll see that the terrorists were already behind and around them. The only value to barricades is to form a perimeter. What happened was a shocking level of incompetence or negligence that was the whole operation of there not being enough manpower to do the job. The commander panicked and instead of being able to use any of their preparations they rapidly retreated to make their stand inside the building. The guy who took a selfie with the protester is scared out his Gord beacuse they're literally at the point of a last stand and they don't know what's going on. The woman got shot because they could retreat no further. The result is the same really though even if they were complicit. It's the most shocking failure of leadership and everyone needs to be fired or jailed. Yeah, shocking how unprepared the police were when encountering white protesters. And more surprising they were not this unprepared when faced with black protesters earlier this year.
And the death was because the secret service will put you down if you are a threat, not let you off easy because your a fellow fascist/white supremacist. The difference was the organisation and their values, not the location.
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On January 08 2021 07:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
The police let them in and practically fist bumped them on the way. Law and Order is, paradoxically, an extremely subjective phrase to them. This isn't true. The truth is far less sensational and just another note on trumps presidency of being an incompetent racist. If you watch the video of the police "letting them in" you'll see that the terrorists were already behind and around them. The only value to barricades is to form a perimeter. What happened was a shocking level of incompetence or negligence that was the whole operation of there not being enough manpower to do the job. The commander panicked and instead of being able to use any of their preparations they rapidly retreated to make their stand inside the building. The guy who took a selfie with the protester is scared out his Gord beacuse they're literally at the point of a last stand and they don't know what's going on. The woman got shot because they could retreat no further. The result is the same really though even if they were complicit. It's the most shocking failure of leadership and everyone needs to be fired or jailed.
Small adjustment I would make is to say the negligence was intentional
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