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No, I meant, he literally doesn't have enough troops. Even if all soldiers in the military were willing to follow his orders, they couldn't even shut down voting in a state lager than RI. (There were 116,990 polling places in 2016 total).
The only groups loyal to Trump in this way are ICE, CPB, and various police agencies. Military itself would not follow the order (while some enlisted are loyal to him, the officer corps as a whole generally despises him).
Best he could do is send in his goons to swing states to attack blue voting areas, but he's far enough behind that it wouldn't change his chances enough to win, and I don't think he has enough goons to actually do anything either. He totally might, and it would be horrific and violent, but it wouldn't let him win (this was my fear in 2016 - that his supporters would start committing terroristic acts when he lost. Still seems plausible, but he has fewer diehard supporters now, I think).
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On July 30 2020 23:00 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Yeah, it's exactly what the german right wing said when Hitler became chancellor. If you are not "hysterical" when the president publicly suggest to postpone an election because he will probably lose it or prepares his supporters to contest the result if he does by saying it will be rigged, you either are criminally irresponsible or you don't give two shit about democracy.
When I criticized hysteria, I wasn't expecting the Hitler comparison to follow, but it is welcomed. Yes, this is dumb, and smart people should not indulge it. Trump and 30% of the country just seize powers not allotted to them. Right.
On July 30 2020 23:07 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Ah yes it’s hysteria that is the problem here, not his idiocy on Twitter. He could just not say these things and it’d be easier. Presumably a fair amount of people aren’t aware of where the responsibility for altering such things lies either.
You can call out idiocy, and not resort to hysterical proclamations that just make me doubt how many people can understand this political moment. Maybe the modern innovation on populists is that everybody jumps to hysterical pronouncements of banana republics, thus empowering the populist's followers to dismiss these confused hysterics and the people making them. "Who just made a good point? You mean the guy that sees Hitler around every corner and checks underneath his bed for hidden Stalins?"
On July 30 2020 23:10 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Given the way he's been able to ignore the emoluments clause, some panicking is permissible (especially if it's from people unfamiliar with how weirdly our elections are run, as they're all run on a local level - he'd literally have to deploy troops to stop it). I don't think it's needed though, unless something else crops up.
Look at the lawsuits and history of use of the emoluments clause. This is a far cry from valid comparison, or some predicate for panic.
I saw people that should know better doing this during Obama's tenure (Socialism is just around the corner!) and they too pointed at the most cockamamie excuses of a justification to form the predicate. Little did I know that this would come into style from the opposite wing during the next president's tenure. I'm glad I'm not in the predictions game, because I totally thought the "Thanks Obama" meme folks wouldn't willingly rush into their own.
On July 30 2020 23:11 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Rarely when an elected leader of a nation suggests something it has no effect.
Maybe some states may postpone because they get their first or second waves? This is akin to him suggesting scientists pursue remedies involving ultraviolet light, and then worrying that scientists will use that information to change their research direction.
On July 30 2020 23:17 Arghmyliver wrote:
A populist narcissist leader who conflates himself with god leading a pack of recidivist cronies installed through nepotism to financial orgasm at the expense of public welfare, science and democracy. I don't really care what you want to call it, it's disgusting and the death toll from this reckless mismanagement is going to approach 1mil if not more. Criminal negligence resulting in the deaths of millions is not really a good look for an national leader (See Joseph Stalin).
You don't need to love his leadership qualities and appointees in order to dismiss the strangely popular idea that he will seize powers not allotted to him in order to postpone elections from the executive branch. The same applies to musings on his death toll and how that will look in history. Why even are you ranting here?
On July 30 2020 23:19 Nevuk wrote:Fun fact : if Trump does somehow delay the election past january, then Pelosi becomes president (of course, that's only if the constitution is still followed at that point, which is unlikely if the voting IS somehow delayed). Also, perhaps the most poorly aged article I've seen in a while (From april) Show nested quote +Former vice president Joe Biden’s unfounded accusation Thursday that President Trump wants to delay November’s election was not only clearly over the line but also unmasks how low the supposedly moderate Biden will go to win. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/24/joe-biden-accused-trump-trying-delay-election-he-should-know-better/GDP dropped by 32.9% , in non-tweet related news. Worst ever decline in US history (somewhat beat expectations of 34%, though). https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.htmlTrump can influence red states to not allow absentee or mail-in voting, and thus kill off tens of thousands of people in a desperate ploy to maintain power. That's the only real play he has left (and it doesn't seem to be working, based off state (FL and NC I think?) GOP sending out mailers with his tweets partially blurred out)
On July 30 2020 23:20 Gorsameth wrote:
So Danglers is right, there is no reason to fear it will happen.
However the danger to the general integrity of the US democracy when a President makes comments like this is certainly not good and warrants reaction/discussion.
Your sentiment, if not spelling (Gersemeth), is welcomed. There is far greater danger when people make fascist delusion pronouncements, instead of measured "Trump's an idiot for suggesting this," because it lowers the perception that the speaker has a sound mind and political knowledge.
On July 31 2020 00:09 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. In 2016, someone random with much less reach "spitballed" the idea that there's a satanic child porn ring sacrificing kids underneath a pizzeria. This is so idiotic, nobody should even react to that. Yet here we are. Someone running in firing around with an AR-15 in 2016. In 2017, callers threatened lifes of the employees, announcing the "rescue of those kids soon". In 2019, an arsonist set fire to the pizzeria. Yeah, you're right. Who gives a shit what some random nutjob Trump is touting on the internet. It's not like he's trying to rile up his "fellowship of the cringe", right? The people who react to something so unbelievably ridiculous like a "DNC controlled child porn ring doing satanic rituals underneath a pizzeria" will certainly immediately understand that "mail in voting fraud" is a fever dream by their glorious leader, right? You're dense beyond rescue if you think that this doesn't warrant hysteria. Let it just stew a little, and people will lose their lives for these "spitballs".
Qanon fanatics on the internet acting on the conspiracy is just another step in the staircase that ends with the Trump administration delaying elections? I think this kind of thought process is closer to the people that believe Qanon as you cite (Secret Powers, turn up the hysteria now!!) than anything else. Seriously, reconsider. Or maybe I'm that nutjob that is trying to convince the Qanon demographic that hysteria is unwarranted and to look at the facts.
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On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote:
The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress.
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise.
In 2016, someone random with much less reach "spitballed" the idea that there's a satanic child porn ring sacrificing kids underneath a pizzeria.
This is so idiotic, nobody should even react to that.
Yet here we are. Someone running in firing around with an AR-15 in 2016. In 2017, callers threatened lifes of the employees, announcing the "rescue of those kids soon". In 2019, an arsonist set fire to the pizzeria.
Yeah, you're right. Who gives a shit what some random nutjob Trump is touting on the internet. It's not like he's trying to rile up his "fellowship of the cringe", right? The people who react to something so unbelievably ridiculous like a "DNC controlled child porn ring doing satanic rituals underneath a pizzeria" will certainly immediately understand that "mail in voting fraud" is a fever dream by their glorious leader, right?
You're dense beyond rescue if you think that this doesn't warrant hysteria. Let it just stew a little, and people will lose their lives for these "spitballs".
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Herman Cain died after battling the 'rona as I've seen reported. On phone if someone wants to corroborate.
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the amount of Trump cultists unfazed by the IFR being "oNly 1% br0" baffles me to this day
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On July 31 2020 00:09 Danglars wrote:
You don't need to love his leadership qualities and appointees in order to dismiss the strangely popular idea that he will seize powers not allotted to him in order to postpone elections from the executive branch. The same applies to musings on his death toll and how that will look in history. Why even are you ranting here?
I'm not "musing," projected COVID death in US is 200k by the beginning of Sept. If you think we are staying under 1mil deaths at this point you're fooling yourself. The idea of 45 seizing power may be ludicrous and ridiculous (I don't think it really is), but once it's happened, ITS ALREADY TOO LATE. Whats more, we just should not condone this kind of behaviour in public office ESPECIALLY the presidency. The US President should not be attacking democracy, limiting free speech and neglecting public health resulting in the death US citizens regardless of how "effective" they are at doing it.
45 is attempting and will continue to attempt to consolidate power for himself and his obsequious toadies. 45 is a treasonous leech tumescent with the blood of the American people. I've heard about nice padded rooms where friendly doctors can help you. 45 should go there. 45 should go there, now.
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That's a rough way to go. He contracted it late June and was hospitalized for 4 weeks before succumbing.
A lot of news today though.
US economy shrank 32.9% annualized this quarter
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html
and Trump went off on twitter suggesting a delay to the election (Which literally can't happen, needs congresssional approval, and Democrats wouldn't do it).
Unemployment benefits are still up in the air, but barring major changes of heart by either side, nothing is going to happen.
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I think it's hardly a coincidence that he (or his handlers) picked today to make the delay the election comment.
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On July 31 2020 01:56 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 00:09 Danglars wrote:
You don't need to love his leadership qualities and appointees in order to dismiss the strangely popular idea that he will seize powers not allotted to him in order to postpone elections from the executive branch. The same applies to musings on his death toll and how that will look in history. Why even are you ranting here?
I'm not "musing," projected COVID death in US is 200k by the beginning of Sept. If you think we are staying under 1mil deaths at this point you're fooling yourself. The idea of 45 seizing power may be ludicrous and ridiculous (I don't think it really is), but once it's happened, ITS ALREADY TOO LATE. Whats more, we just should not condone this kind of behaviour in public office ESPECIALLY the presidency. The US President should not be attacking democracy, limiting free speech and neglecting public health resulting in the death US citizens regardless of how "effective" they are at doing it. 45 is attempting and will continue to attempt to consolidate power for himself and his obsequious toadies. 45 is a treasonous leech tumescent with the blood of the American people. I've heard about nice padded rooms where friendly doctors can help you. 45 should go there. 45 should go there, now.
You injected a rant about death toll into a post critical of the rubes that think Trump is seizing power. Here, they are repeated, without any real support for your opinion.
People that would rather he not be re-elected ought to show they can be critical without losing their analytic faculties to madness. He’s an unpopular president largely rendered ineffective from a (now concluded) lengthy Russian investigation, impeachment, loss of the House, and opposition from the courts. Like come to your senses man. Show you can be hopping mad at all the stuff he’s done, without assuming any ludicrous conspiratorial nonsense is now justified. Stare at the example of the success of constitutional structural limits on power, and don’t blubber on about some hated minority perspective in Washington DC and the country suddenly breaking hundreds of years of history.
The real danger in your eyes should be re-election of Trump, and I gotta say, you sound a lot like his more zealous supporters right now.
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On July 31 2020 03:13 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 01:56 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 31 2020 00:09 Danglars wrote:
You don't need to love his leadership qualities and appointees in order to dismiss the strangely popular idea that he will seize powers not allotted to him in order to postpone elections from the executive branch. The same applies to musings on his death toll and how that will look in history. Why even are you ranting here?
I'm not "musing," projected COVID death in US is 200k by the beginning of Sept. If you think we are staying under 1mil deaths at this point you're fooling yourself. The idea of 45 seizing power may be ludicrous and ridiculous (I don't think it really is), but once it's happened, ITS ALREADY TOO LATE. Whats more, we just should not condone this kind of behaviour in public office ESPECIALLY the presidency. The US President should not be attacking democracy, limiting free speech and neglecting public health resulting in the death US citizens regardless of how "effective" they are at doing it. 45 is attempting and will continue to attempt to consolidate power for himself and his obsequious toadies. 45 is a treasonous leech tumescent with the blood of the American people. I've heard about nice padded rooms where friendly doctors can help you. 45 should go there. 45 should go there, now. You injected a rant about death toll into a post critical of the rubes that think Trump is seizing power. Here, they are repeated, without any real support for your opinion. People that would rather he not be re-elected ought to show they can be critical without losing their analytic faculties to madness. He’s an unpopular president largely rendered ineffective from a (now concluded) lengthy Russian investigation, impeachment, loss of the House, and opposition from the courts. Like come to your senses man. Show you can be hopping mad at all the stuff he’s done, without assuming any ludicrous conspiratorial nonsense is now justified. Stare at the example of the success of constitutional structural limits on power, and don’t blubber on about some hated minority perspective in Washington DC and the country suddenly breaking hundreds of years of history. The real danger in your eyes should be re-election of Trump, and I gotta say, you sound a lot like his more zealous supporters right now.
I don't know what you're trying to say here, but my point is that regardless of how effectively 45 attempts to seize power, 45 is still trying to seize power. Excuse my colorful verbiage I suppose, but the negligence of this administration has cost millions of lives. 45's motives are entirely selfish in design and 45's attempts to consolidate power have directly resulted in these deaths by removing the government's ability to effectively deal with a pandemic while simultaneously spreading specifically dangerous information.
You are saying, "it's all ok because most people hate 45 now and see 45 for what 45 really is, 45 probably won't successfully consolidate a dictatorship or junta"
I'm saying "it's not ok regardless of how effective it is because as a direct result millions have been condemned to death"
Clearly, it would be upsetting if 45 were re-elected. It would be more upsetting if 45 didn't have to be.
DONT EVER FUCKING ACCUSE ME OF BEING A FASCIST.
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On July 31 2020 02:00 Lmui wrote:That's a rough way to go. He contracted it late June and was hospitalized for 4 weeks before succumbing. A lot of news today though. US economy shrank 32.9% annualized this quarter https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html and Trump went off on twitter suggesting a delay to the election (Which literally can't happen, needs congresssional approval, and Democrats wouldn't do it). Unemployment benefits are still up in the air, but barring major changes of heart by either side, nothing is going to happen.
Does the annualized value make sense here? Why would we annualize a quarter with a shutdown?
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On July 31 2020 04:04 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 02:00 Lmui wrote:That's a rough way to go. He contracted it late June and was hospitalized for 4 weeks before succumbing. A lot of news today though. US economy shrank 32.9% annualized this quarter https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html and Trump went off on twitter suggesting a delay to the election (Which literally can't happen, needs congresssional approval, and Democrats wouldn't do it). Unemployment benefits are still up in the air, but barring major changes of heart by either side, nothing is going to happen. Does the annualized value make sense here? Why would we annualize a quarter with a shutdown?
Make sense? Probably not, but it is how those numbers are always released.
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45 stands for trump? Where does that come from,is he the 45th president?
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On July 31 2020 05:05 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 04:04 Sadist wrote:On July 31 2020 02:00 Lmui wrote:That's a rough way to go. He contracted it late June and was hospitalized for 4 weeks before succumbing. A lot of news today though. US economy shrank 32.9% annualized this quarter https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html and Trump went off on twitter suggesting a delay to the election (Which literally can't happen, needs congresssional approval, and Democrats wouldn't do it). Unemployment benefits are still up in the air, but barring major changes of heart by either side, nothing is going to happen. Does the annualized value make sense here? Why would we annualize a quarter with a shutdown? Make sense? Probably not, but it is how those numbers are always released.
... in the US.
E.g. Germany released their quarterly numbers today. And they were never ever annualized.
And for comparisons, it is -9.5%/q in the US, -10.1%/q in Germany
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On July 31 2020 04:00 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 03:13 Danglars wrote:On July 31 2020 01:56 Arghmyliver wrote:On July 31 2020 00:09 Danglars wrote:
You don't need to love his leadership qualities and appointees in order to dismiss the strangely popular idea that he will seize powers not allotted to him in order to postpone elections from the executive branch. The same applies to musings on his death toll and how that will look in history. Why even are you ranting here?
I'm not "musing," projected COVID death in US is 200k by the beginning of Sept. If you think we are staying under 1mil deaths at this point you're fooling yourself. The idea of 45 seizing power may be ludicrous and ridiculous (I don't think it really is), but once it's happened, ITS ALREADY TOO LATE. Whats more, we just should not condone this kind of behaviour in public office ESPECIALLY the presidency. The US President should not be attacking democracy, limiting free speech and neglecting public health resulting in the death US citizens regardless of how "effective" they are at doing it. 45 is attempting and will continue to attempt to consolidate power for himself and his obsequious toadies. 45 is a treasonous leech tumescent with the blood of the American people. I've heard about nice padded rooms where friendly doctors can help you. 45 should go there. 45 should go there, now. You injected a rant about death toll into a post critical of the rubes that think Trump is seizing power. Here, they are repeated, without any real support for your opinion. People that would rather he not be re-elected ought to show they can be critical without losing their analytic faculties to madness. He’s an unpopular president largely rendered ineffective from a (now concluded) lengthy Russian investigation, impeachment, loss of the House, and opposition from the courts. Like come to your senses man. Show you can be hopping mad at all the stuff he’s done, without assuming any ludicrous conspiratorial nonsense is now justified. Stare at the example of the success of constitutional structural limits on power, and don’t blubber on about some hated minority perspective in Washington DC and the country suddenly breaking hundreds of years of history. The real danger in your eyes should be re-election of Trump, and I gotta say, you sound a lot like his more zealous supporters right now. I don't know what you're trying to say here, but my point is that regardless of how effectively 45 attempts to seize power, 45 is still trying to seize power. Excuse my colorful verbiage I suppose, but the negligence of this administration has cost millions of lives. 45's motives are entirely selfish in design and 45's attempts to consolidate power have directly resulted in these deaths by removing the government's ability to effectively deal with a pandemic while simultaneously spreading specifically dangerous information. You are saying, "it's all ok because most people hate 45 now and see 45 for what 45 really is, 45 probably won't successfully consolidate a dictatorship or junta" I'm saying "it's not ok regardless of how effective it is because as a direct result millions have been condemned to death" Clearly, it would be upsetting if 45 were re-elected. It would be more upsetting if 45 didn't have to be. DONT EVER FUCKING ACCUSE ME OF BEING A FASCIST. Edit: Grammar
I’ve basically said all I wanted to on this, and repetition would be meaningless. He can’t even remove an Obama executive order, nor even keep the base that elected him intact, and I have to suffer through ALL CAPS warnings on the prospect of takeover. All evidence to the contrary, some people will have their far right worries, and some people see Antifa/far left groups in Portland and assume the city will fall, and some libertarians think America’s already toast from the debt or invasion of liberties (thankfully, not Wegandi). It’s a type.
I’ll make the comparisons I choose, particularly in apocalyptic doom from both sides, and didn’t/will not call you a fascist.
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On July 31 2020 03:03 mierin wrote:
I think it's hardly a coincidence that he (or his handlers) picked today to make the delay the election comment.
Was it to distract from the John Lewis funeral? or to distract from documents about to be released regarding Ghislaine Maxwell? or something else?
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