EPTThis stuff is so non-prevalent that we feel like the police is largely doing its job I guess while it's largely the opposite for people in the US.
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Uldridge
Belgium4966 Posts
This stuff is so non-prevalent that we feel like the police is largely doing its job I guess while it's largely the opposite for people in the US. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Oh America, always so proud on its democracy, has fully turned banana republic. And surely at least 30% of the population will fully support their dear leader on this... | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9728 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:35 mahrgell wrote: So now Trump suggests delaying the election to prevent voter fraud... Oh America, always so proud on its democracy, has fully turned banana republic. And surely at least 30% of the population will fully support their dear leader on this... Of course they will, if Trump says mail voting fraud is a problem then it must be a problem no matter what every single study says. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On March 18 2020 15:41 Neneu wrote: Why do I have the feeling that Trump will use the current pandemic as an excuse to postpone the presidential election? I know everyone told me that would never happen and not even Trump would try to push for that. well.. I guess he just did.. EDIT: Seems I were late to the party. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:35 mahrgell wrote: So now Trump suggests delaying the election to prevent voter fraud... Oh America, always so proud on its democracy, has fully turned banana republic. And surely at least 30% of the population will fully support their dear leader on this... He can't delay the election. (This is why it's a REALLY good thing that democrats took the house in 2018. It would take both a passing of a new law in congress, and the inevitable challenge in the supreme court). | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7918 Posts
On July 11 2020 09:46 Liquid`Drone wrote: Man if Trump's handling of the Corona was absolutely fucking flawless and his opponent was Joe Biden who stated man I think masks look pretty stupid, I'd rather not be seen wearing one, I'd still vote biden 100%. Danglars is a really conservative guy who has absolutely no home in the democrat party, expecting mishandling of a pandemic to change that isn't reasonable. It's sad that he's left with Trump because I'm sure he'd prefer a myriad of other republicans, but Covid handling isn't the primary reason why a person chooses a particular presidential candidate to vote for. Courts is still a legitimate reason if you happen to prefer republican policies, I don't understand what you guys are expecting beyond 'yeah, trump is an idiot and he shows it again here'. Trump is not the only choice conservatives are left with, he is a man who genuinely threatens American democracy. I would vote for Ted effing Cruz against a left wing version of Trump, even though he is the absolute antithesis of absolutely everything I like and believe in, because I know that with Ted Cruz there would be another fair election four years later. The choice pro or against Trump should not be a partisan choice between liberalism and conservatism, but a choice between democracy and authoritarianism. | ||
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:50 Nevuk wrote: He can't delay the election. (This is why it's a REALLY good thing that democrats took the house in 2018. It would take both a passing of a new law in congress, and the inevitable challenge in the supreme court). I’d add to this that, aside from CBP and DHS, Trump has basically no friends in the federal government itself and has very little if any ability to unilaterally contest anything. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7918 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:54 capu wrote: I don't think Trump is fascist but opportunist. Isn't fascism linked to the nationalization of companies etc? Fascism really has many definition. By the strictest definition, Nazi Germany was not fascist. I think we can identify fascist elements in The ideology of Trump and his base, but it's never going to be a very rigorous historical comparison. He is certainly a populist authoritarian though. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7918 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote: The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress. So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Yeah, it's exactly what the german right wing said when Hitler became chancellor. If you are not "hysterical" when the president publicly suggest to postpone an election because he will probably lose it or prepares his supporters to contest the result if he does by saying it will be rigged, you either are criminally irresponsible or you don't give two shit about democracy. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26092 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote: The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress. So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Ah yes it’s hysteria that is the problem here, not his idiocy on Twitter. He could just not say these things and it’d be easier. Presumably a fair amount of people aren’t aware of where the responsibility for altering such things lies either. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote: The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress. So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Given the way he's been able to ignore the emoluments clause, some panicking is permissible (especially if it's from people unfamiliar with how weirdly our elections are run, as they're all run on a local level - he'd literally have to deploy troops to stop it). I don't think it's needed though, unless something else crops up. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:56 Danglars wrote: The federal government does not have a role here, so as usual, he’s spitballing about things decided on by states & Congress. So cmon a little less hysteria about things he can only suggest and not effect. These protections, that have existed for many, many years, should come as no surprise. Rarely when an elected leader of a nation suggests something it has no effect. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Also, perhaps the most poorly aged article I've seen in a while (From april) Former vice president Joe Biden’s unfounded accusation Thursday that President Trump wants to delay November’s election was not only clearly over the line but also unmasks how low the supposedly moderate Biden will go to win. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/24/joe-biden-accused-trump-trying-delay-election-he-should-know-better/ GDP dropped by 32.9% , in non-tweet related news. Worst ever decline in US history (somewhat beat expectations of 34%, though). https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html Trump can influence red states to not allow absentee or mail-in voting, and thus kill off tens of thousands of people in a desperate ploy to maintain power. That's the only real play he has left (and it doesn't seem to be working, based off state (FL and NC I think?) GOP sending out mailers with his tweets partially blurred out) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
Nothing short of a consitutional amendment and ratification by 2/3 of the states will stop Trump's first term from ending jan 20th. So Danglers is right, there is no reason to fear it will happen. However the danger to the general integrity of the US democracy when a President makes comments like this is certainly not good and warrants reaction/discussion. On July 30 2020 23:19 Nevuk wrote: I'm sure the GDP numbers and Trump no longer wanting to hold an election coinciding are purely a coincidence /s.Fun fact : if Trump does somehow delay the election past january, then Pelosi becomes president (of course, that's only if the constitution is still followed at that point, which is unlikely if the voting IS somehow delayed). Also, perhaps the most poorly aged article I've seen in a while (From april) https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/24/joe-biden-accused-trump-trying-delay-election-he-should-know-better/ GDP dropped by 32.9% , in non-tweet related news. Worst ever decline in US history (somewhat beat expectations of 34%, though). https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/us-gdp-q2-2020-first-reading.html btw, I wanted to compare numbers to get an idea and it seems EU GDP dropped by 3.2% (3.6 in the Eurozone). That seems off? did the US economy crash 10x harder then the EU? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23488 Posts
We've already had a situation where the national guard had to be deployed to work poll stations and that wasn't even for something on the scale of a contentious presidential election. Not to mention we've already had a primary contest so bad the AP couldn't declare a winner. That we could have a questionable/botched/inconclusive election isn't just possible imo, it's probable at this point. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 30 2020 23:10 Nevuk wrote: Given the way he's been able to ignore the emoluments clause, some panicking is permissible (especially if it's from people unfamiliar with how weirdly our elections are run, as they're all run on a local level - he'd literally have to deploy troops to stop it). I don't think it's needed though, unless something else crops up. You really think 45 is above sending troops to stop something he doesn't like. REALLY? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/30/federal-agents-portland-oregon-trump-troops https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/portland-protests-continue-for-62nd-day-tuesday.html https://www.koin.com/news/protests/night-62-wall-of-moms-portland-demonstrations-federal-courthouse-justice-center/ https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/us/journalist-portland-protest-federal-agents-trnd/index.html They don't even need to be in uniform https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/nyregion/nypd-protester-van.html He also is basically in command of a brainwashed militia of gun enthusiasts who would like nothing more than to murder every bleeding heart liberal that shows up to the polls. He's dangerous and this kind of thing needs to be nipped IN THE BUD. "It'll never happen" is what got this guy elected to begin with. | ||
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