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On December 10 2011 10:02 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:46 Selth wrote:
I feel wrong having not been fully sickened by this story... That being said, a lot of good points brought up in this bump and they've enlightened me a bit about this world we live in. I honestly don't know where I stand in terms of punishing them at this point with the current system in place. Hey, when you've heard enough stories like this on senseless violence towards another human being, you tend to become nonreactive towards them. Always been against the DP and I will stand by my opinion on it.
I just don't see how this line of thought is even possible given the horror of the crime involved. I seriously doubt these people could be rehabilitated, and even if they could, they don't deserve the chance. And putting them in prison for life is still allowing them to live. Regardless of what conditions they might be in, life is still better than death in almost any scenario (there are some obvious exceptions, but prison is not one of them.)
Kill them, rid the world of scum, and save millions of taxpayers dollars.
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I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
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On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
+10 internets for using vivisect properly.
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On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
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I don't see what's the point of making this a race issue.
I can't think of a single black person that would think this crime was anything less than a horrible, unfathomable atrocity. This is exactly the kind of crime that the death penalty is meant for.
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As horrifying as this is, I can't help but feel like there is more to it or something big behind the scenes that the public has not been informed of. The men were part of a gang, and the couple may or not have been entirely innocent. While it's possible that it simply might have been this couple's misfortune to meet these gang members, the fact that the act was so brutal and emotionally charged (for example, they covered the woman in garbage bags until she suffocated to death) leads me to believe that it was not a killing simply to kill; in other words, there must have been a reason for them to act so brutally and inhumanly.
Not to get too political, but first of all the fact that they were part of a gang (where violence is the norm) and probably poor and in the deep South shows that this was not a random act. They could have chose any other white couple, but the fact that they chose this one must mean something important. To be honest I'm surprised that someone who can mutilate and destroy a person so completely does not have suicidal thoughts; if I were to carry out this act I would just kill myself before my conscience takes over. There is no way any sane person could live with these thoughts and images for the rest of their lives without taking their own lives just to end their own suffering and misery. There must be something fundamentally wrong with these people who carried this out; as bad as your circumstances can make you, you will never commit an act like this unless there is faulty wiring in the first place.
Maybe the couple were not as innocent as they were portrayed to be. It's possible that they might have provoked this as well. Maybe their families were involved with politics or something; maybe the gang found the actions of this couple or their relatives offensive.
Of course none of this justifies this terrible incident. But you have to wonder if there is more to the story than we are being told. You have to wonder whether hundreds of years of injustice, discrimination, or systematized racism or downright bigotry or corrupt politics or gang violence or simply the conformity or naivette of most young white middle-class couples was somehow implicated in this. Maybe things we can't even see or begin to fathom or imagine or powers far beyond ourselves boiled down to this single remote isolated incident.
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Ugh...this thread made me nauseous. This is so bad it sounds almost fictional to me.
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......... The General section "generally" bothers me a lot..... but this thread has just skyrocketed "bothers me" to "urghhhhhhghghajsdlkfjutksdfkjasd;fgnffksjdfasdf;k"
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This is absolutely disgusting. How can people do this to others? even if the couple did something to provoke this it went way farther then it ever should of and only 1 of them got the death penalty, Thats bull shit even lethal injection is better then what they did to that couple fuck give them the chair at least. I hope they get Fucked up in prison...
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wow prison or lethal injection is too good for these people they should be castrated and burned then put in hole where they have to eat there own shit just my opinion
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The wiki doesn't say any genitalia or that the guy was set on fire before being shot. Still sucks I bet.
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They should be torn limb from limb. Then get beaten by their own limbs.
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There is a part of me that is just utterly sickened and enraged by news like this.This part of me says they should be sentenced to death and that all murderers and rapists should be as well.
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This makes me feel so sick... I read about this when it happened too :/ I wonder what made them want to torture and murder two innocents...
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On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
I agree with you on some level because of the level or degree in what the crime is, I would also like to say that I hope none of you are viewing this as a racial situation because it's not! People in this world are cruel and the same type of people that committed the crime can be found in every race of man do not forget that. You would be wise to remember that before you start hating others over anything.
I say death only because I like to judge people by their deeds and this deed is most foul and we should return the good favor to the perpetrators. I also read up on it on wiki but most of the information was about the political circus that ensued in politics and the media. I truly hate it when people die and it is used to further a political agenda.
If it were up to me I honestly would like to kill them myself but meh not my job to do so, though the seriousness of the crime does weigh heavy on me being black. However that in itself will not change my ways or how I view things in life for I love and hate everyone equally and this goes for every race I interact with.
Ps. I really think that they all should have been given the death penalty no need to even spend a minute talking to them.
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The judge that oversaw this case was actually my dad's drug court judge. Judge Bumgardener was on pills, that he bought from a felon in his drug court, during this trail. They are calling for a retrial now because of this. I lived in Knoxville at the time and had distant friends that knew these people. Sad really. =\
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On December 10 2011 12:29 Mafs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple. Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society. Rehabilitation is just one of the purposes of imprisonment, and prison generally is not very effective at rehabilitating prisoners.
A common misconception about the death penalty is that it would save the tax payer loads of money.
Death penalty is not cheap and arguably more expensive then a life sentence.
I do not want to incite a whole capital punishment discussion in this thread and i get why people want those fcks put to death for their crimes, it's an insanely horrible, cruel crime. But just a side note.
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On December 10 2011 13:46 snIJIJzer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:29 Mafs wrote:On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple. Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society. Rehabilitation is just one of the purposes of imprisonment, and prison generally is not very effective at rehabilitating prisoners. A common misconception about the death penalty is that it would save the tax payer loads of money. Death penalty is not cheap and arguably more expensive then a life sentence. I do not want to incite a whole capital punishment discussion in this thread and i get why people want those fcks put to death for their crimes, it's an insanely horrible, cruel crime. But just a side note.
It's not very easy to argue against the fact that life sentences are more expensive than life behind bars anyway. It can be, but then you find yourself executing innocent people - it has happened (namely in Texas - after spending millions of dollars in man-time) and it will happen again. Given a decent justice system, it costs a lot of money to collect evidence - because the degree of evidence required for capital punishment should naturally be higher than what you need for a regular conviction.
One good thing about prison is that if you're found not guilty, you can come out. Getting murdered by your Country doesn't offer that possibility.
Obviously we could go China-style and execute people really quickly with very little cost to the State, and never look back... but omg would I not want to be the one guy being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Just to clarify something. The BLACK people who did this, are animals. Also the white people in this story are animals. Because the human race are "Mammels". There fore we're all animals.. Technically..
But anyway, this is so terrible  it makes me want to cry that this happened, I wish people weren't like this, or we had some kind of device to predict things like this would happen.
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On December 10 2011 12:29 Mafs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote:
I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple. Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
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