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On December 10 2011 05:53 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 05:48 Rammstorm wrote:
Another example of where modern society is heading:
no principles, no religion. no moral values ...
money, pleasure, egoism and double standards to rule em all.
Disclaimer: Atheist. rationalist i know right because there are no such things as moral values and principles without religion. i'm sure you're an atheist haha. don't make me puke.
What are the ethic and moral values of an atheist? I'm an atheist myself but my main principle is one that is found in the bible:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
It's a phrase from the bible. It's genius in its simplicity, really. If everyone were to live like that, there'd be no reason for conflict at all. I treat people like I'd like them to treat me, and believe me, it pays off time and again.
Being an atheist means that you do not believe in a God. Being an atheist does not mean, however, that books like the bible and qur'an should be considered bullshit, because they aren't. There is some really smart stuff written in those books that, despite being hundreds of years old, is still incredibly relevant. It just tends to fall on deaf ears since people are apparently unable nowadays to interpret a layered text.
I understand that people are angry and disgusted by what happened to that young couple four years ago. I'm disgusted as well. However, we should not lower ourselves to the level of the people who tortured and murdered that poor couple. Rationality must never give way to emotion. Most decisions based on emotions tend to be bad ones. Just let the justice system do its job and act like rational human beings.
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this thread has single-handedly ruined my day  why did i have to click on it...
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This is the time when even normal people can be blinded by rage. I think even events as shocking as this shouldn't make us lower our own dignity. Vengeance would only empower these people (yes, the worst of criminals, but people), drag down the rest of society to their level, and make everyone worse off.
I hope they get a fair trial, at the end of which justice is served.
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i'm in a good mood so im not gonna read it, as suggested :D
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im always a bit afraid of this happening to me, because really - theres nothing you can do about it if some group of people decides to do it to you and your family.
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i wish we lived in a world where i didnt have to sleep afraid ;_;
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what the fucking shit that is terrible
jesus christ im going out
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On December 10 2011 04:37 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:24 kafkaesque wrote:
I was always fundamentally against death penalty and I never thought that I anything could justify corporal punishment in my opinion, but this really makes me rethink my position.
Even with racial disadvantages you can't excuse behaviour like this.
"Well, they've been discriminated all their life, so the victims had it coming to them" just is no kind of valid argument...
Not having equal job opportunities and gangraping and torturing a young couple for days just isn't comparable.
Call me naive, but I'm really sad and disappointed that such evil even exists.
Why should we give up otherwise valid principles just because there are a few exceptions? I refuse to lose some of my humanity because of these people.
I argue that you are losing humanity by allowing these people to continue to walk the Earth.
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On December 10 2011 08:04 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 04:37 Maenander wrote:On December 10 2011 04:24 kafkaesque wrote:
I was always fundamentally against death penalty and I never thought that I anything could justify corporal punishment in my opinion, but this really makes me rethink my position.
Even with racial disadvantages you can't excuse behaviour like this.
"Well, they've been discriminated all their life, so the victims had it coming to them" just is no kind of valid argument...
Not having equal job opportunities and gangraping and torturing a young couple for days just isn't comparable.
Call me naive, but I'm really sad and disappointed that such evil even exists.
Why should we give up otherwise valid principles just because there are a few exceptions? I refuse to lose some of my humanity because of these people. I argue that you are losing humanity by allowing these people to continue to walk the Earth.
I'm on board with this one.
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im very disturbed right now
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On December 10 2011 07:52 maartendq wrote:
Being an atheist means that you do not believe in a God. Being an atheist does not mean, however, that books like the bible and qur'an should be considered bullshit, because they aren't.
well, they're pretty bad novel
and i don't live my life based on any sentence or book
last thing, some answers in this thread made me more sick than the news itself
people, don't bring hatred based on news items, it may be awful, but some things happen (i'm not saying it can't be avoid, it's just that once in a year event should influence your mind)
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I think it's disgusting that only one of them can even get the death penalty at maximum.
I'm not a vengeful person, but seriously, just take them out back, shoot them in the chest a few times, and leave them to die.
It's not worth the trouble of Lethal Injection.
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"The case also attracted the attention of white supremacists. On May 27, 2007, around 30 white supremacists led by Alex Linder rallied in downtown Knoxville in protest of the murders. They were met by a larger number of counter-protestors, many dressed as clowns "
Well there you go, clowns are funny see! it is funny!
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The first ten pages of this thread are... wow. It's always nice to get a glimpse of TL in the "good ol' days", before SC2. People clearly had a lot more leeway to express their opinions.
On December 10 2011 02:50 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:46 taintmachine wrote:the defendants in this case (which were already sentenced) are getting a retrial. the decision was made on dec. 1, 2011. the presiding judge was addicted to, i think, prescription drugs at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_NewsomChannon Gail Christian, 21, and Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., 23, were a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee. They were both raped, tortured and murdered after being kidnapped early on the morning of January 7, 2007. Their vehicle had been carjacked.[1][2] Five suspects were arrested and charged in the case. The grand jury indicted four of the suspects on counts of murder, robbery, kidnapping, rape and theft. Three of those arrested, Letalvis D. Cobbins, Lemaricus Davidson and George Thomas, have been convicted on multiple charges including several counts of felony murder. After a jury trial Lemaricus Davidson was sentenced to death by lethal injection and Letalvis Cobbins and George Thomas were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Vanessa Coleman has been convicted of facilitating the crimes and sentenced to 53 years in prison, and Eric Dewayne Boyd has been convicted of federal charges as accessory after the fact to carjacking and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[3]
On December 1st, 2011, new trials were granted to the defendants due to drug abuse by the presiding Judge.http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.aspIn December 2011, the convictions of Lemaricus Davidson, Letalvis Cobbins, George Thomas, and Vanessa Coleman were overturned by a special judge who ruled that the presiding judge at their trials, Richard Baumgartner, was intoxicated at the time. The four defendants will be facing new trials. This one of those times where I'd be fine if they were all shot and that was the end of it. Seriously sick shit they did.
This is one of those rare times when I agree with this sentiment.
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I'm not sure what to think after reading this. It is disgusting and I can't quite fathom how a person could do these things to another. On one hand I feel they should all receive the death penalty, but on the other they should be placed in prison and forced to live the rest of their lives knowing what they have done. Not that what they have done will haunt them, after all they were the ones to do those horrific acts and so I am wondering if they are even capable of feeling remorse, regret or guilt.
As for the retrial, that is just stupid. So the judge was on drugs, the facts still stand as to what was done to that couple.
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Wow, this is terrible. How the hell can someone do this just for no reason?
I can't imagine what would be going through the victim's heads while going through that. I feel so speechless and yet angry that people would willingly to do these things to other people.
Please, I hope the court gives them the justice they deserve. They need to be taught a lesson.
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Why retrails? It's a waste of resources for nothing..the last thing these guys need is another trial.
I'd just have 'em shoot, it's harsh, but humanbeings capable of doing something like this to someone at random for no reason at all has nothing to contribute to any society ever, remove them. Not as punishment, just to clean up some filth.
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I feel wrong having not been fully sickened by this story... That being said, a lot of good points brought up in this bump and they've enlightened me a bit about this world we live in. I honestly don't know where I stand in terms of punishing them at this point with the current system in place.
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On December 10 2011 09:46 Selth wrote:
I feel wrong having not been fully sickened by this story... That being said, a lot of good points brought up in this bump and they've enlightened me a bit about this world we live in. I honestly don't know where I stand in terms of punishing them at this point with the current system in place.
Hey, when you've heard enough stories like this on senseless violence towards another human being, you tend to become nonreactive towards them.
Always been against the DP and I will stand by my opinion on it.
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