On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
why is it sometimes necessary?
Although i personally do not think so, it most likely is the regard that it is the only way of 'justice'. Retribution for relatives. An eye for an eye etc.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
Rehabilitation is just one of the purposes of imprisonment, and prison generally is not very effective at rehabilitating prisoners. A common misconception about the death penalty is that it would save the tax payer loads of money. Death penalty is not cheap and arguably more expensive then a life sentence.
I do not want to incite a whole capital punishment discussion in this thread and i get why people want those fcks put to death for their crimes, it's an insanely horrible, cruel crime. But just a side note.
Lend me a gun, and buy me a bullet.
For the low low price of a bullet, you just did what needed to be done.
To me, it doesnt matter what race/sex/religion a person is. You do something like this, then you dont deserve the right to walk to the same earth as the rest of us normal people. Hope they burn in hell.
To the above poster. Without hesitation, i would pull the trigger. I would be happy to send these dispicable people straight to hell.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
So if it's up to you the US would, if there is enough evidence, execute it's citizens with a bullet through the head? edit: nvm i guess you are.
I'm against the death penalty, not because i think it's inhumane, but simply because i think that's a waste, not to mention, bit unquantifiable (10 years in prison vs 20 years can be compared but death? hard to quantify; could mean different things to different people).
Instead, I suggest that these really bad criminals, beyond rehabilitation, should be sent to concentration camps to do hard labor for rest of their lives. This serves a few purposes; this is probably worse than death penalty for most people (maybe criminals will actually fear the criminal system now) and it is also malleable depending on the weight of their crimes (length of sentence and severity of labor). They will also be doing something is productive to society (make them mine or fertilize a desert or something like that), so that they at least make up partially for the harm they did to society. It also would lessen the strain on tax payer's money. I also think any profit they make should be sent to the victim and victim's families.
On December 10 2011 14:13 Veezy wrote: Oh wow fuck human beings for being to do shit like this...
Kill those motherfuckers, and take your time doing so
yeah totally, these motherfuckers are awful for killing people and taking their time doing so. the government should totally make us feel better by...killing some people and taking their time doing so.
I don't know, I don't get that sense of bloodthirst when I hear about terrible crimes. I'm also not personally more afraid of death than I am of a shitty life in prison and I don't know that everyone is. I believe in due process - I really don't think it's very safe to just eyeball cases and decide whether or not they're "clear cut."
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
Rehabilitation is just one of the purposes of imprisonment, and prison generally is not very effective at rehabilitating prisoners. A common misconception about the death penalty is that it would save the tax payer loads of money. Death penalty is not cheap and arguably more expensive then a life sentence.
I do not want to incite a whole capital punishment discussion in this thread and i get why people want those fcks put to death for their crimes, it's an insanely horrible, cruel crime. But just a side note.
Lend me a gun, and buy me a bullet.
For the low low price of a bullet, you just did what needed to be done.
To me, it doesnt matter what race/sex/religion a person is. You do something like this, then you dont deserve the right to walk to the same earth as the rest of us normal people. Hope they burn in hell.
To the above poster. Without hesitation, i would pull the trigger. I would be happy to send these dispicable people straight to hell.
you'd pull the trigger, watch their brain matter shoot out the back of their head, watch them collapse lifelessly into pools of blood, and just go about the rest of your day?
Without hesitation yes. I would have to live with the burden of knowing i did it for the rest of my life, i understand that. But i would not even hesitate. Those people are dispicable.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
So if it's up to you the US would, if there is enough evidence, execute it's citizens with a bullet through the head? edit: nvm i guess you are.
Yep a person found guilty of murdering and raping two people would be executed if there was enough evidence and a conviction with an applicable death penalty. It's called capital punishment, and yes we do it.
On December 10 2011 14:20 phosphorylation wrote: I'm against the death penalty, not because i think it's inhumane, but simply because i think that's a waste, not to mention, bit unquantifiable (10 years in prison vs 20 years can be compared but death? hard to quantify; could mean different things to different people).
Instead, I suggest that these really bad criminals, beyond rehabilitation, should be sent to concentration camps to do hard labor for rest of their lives. This serves a few purposes; this is probably worse than death penalty for most people (maybe criminals will actually fear the criminal system now) and it is also malleable depending on the weight of their crimes (length of sentence and severity of labor). They will also be doing something is productive to society (make them mine or fertilize a desert or something like that), so that they at least make up partially for the harm they did to society. It also would lessen the strain on tax payer's money. I also think any profit they make should be sent to the victim and victim's families.
To an extent, I agree with this. I think isolation from the rest of humanity for the rest of their life (ie solitary confinement) would be much worse than a death penalty. If you've ever seen that episode of law and order (it's in season 12) where they have that guy explain what solitary confinement is like, I think it much better suits it. Or throw them in a prison cell full of other rapists and let at it.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
So if it's up to you the US would, if there is enough evidence, execute it's citizens with a bullet through the head? edit: nvm i guess you are.
Yep a person found guilty of murdering and raping two people would be executed if there was enough evidence and a conviction with an applicable death penalty. It's called capital punishment, and yes we do it.
On December 10 2011 14:20 phosphorylation wrote: I'm against the death penalty, not because i think it's inhumane, but simply because i think that's a waste, not to mention, bit unquantifiable (10 years in prison vs 20 years can be compared but death? hard to quantify; could mean different things to different people).
Instead, I suggest that these really bad criminals, beyond rehabilitation, should be sent to concentration camps to do hard labor for rest of their lives. This serves a few purposes; this is probably worse than death penalty for most people (maybe criminals will actually fear the criminal system now) and it is also malleable depending on the weight of their crimes (length of sentence and severity of labor). They will also be doing something is productive to society (make them mine or fertilize a desert or something like that), so that they at least make up partially for the harm they did to society. It also would lessen the strain on tax payer's money. I also think any profit they make should be sent to the victim and victim's families.
To an extent, I agree with this. I think isolation from the rest of humanity for the rest of their life (ie solitary confinement) would be much worse than a death penalty. If you've ever seen that episode of law and order (it's in season 12) where they have that guy explain what solitary confinement is like, I think it much better suits it. Or throw them in a prison cell full of other rapists and let at it.
Have you even read the last pages? I was arguing capital punishment in general is more expensive to the tax payer then a life sentence. The fact that in this case there might be clear evidence doesnt change that. Then you point out the price of bullets at walmart; that's pretty absurd and i was reacting on that as a method of execution.
On December 10 2011 12:19 Probe1 wrote: I grew up staunchly against capital punishment but the older I get the more I realize how much it's needed. You can deter shoplifters by sending them to jail for the weekend. Murderers can fear capital punishment and life in prison.
But when it comes to this, there needs to be less fanfare and discussion. Just a summary execution. There should be a point where we all agree to just skip formality, wasting no more than 3 minutes and 5 bullets on these fucks. Who actually wants to see any of them remorseful or rehabilitated. Fuck that.
Our culture has gotten so bloated with wet foot dry foot that it's acceptable to bomb the living shit out a wedding on accident but not vivisect 5 sick bastards that mutilated and murdered an random innocent couple.
Agreed. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate, and if they cannot be rehabilitated, they are sucking tax payer money from the budget, and should just be killed because they are such a huge minus on society.
The cost our country spends on each death penalty prisoner is greater than it costs to hold a man in prison for life. The purpose of prison is not exclusively to rehabilitate, or else there would be no life sentences. Sometimes the purpose is just to punish criminals and educate the general community that committing crimes does not pay.
That being said, while I believe that our death penalty system is severely flawed, it is hard not to feel that it is sometimes necessary for people who commit truly heinous crimes.
However, you must remember that in our nation, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. In some cases it is easy to say "why don't we just kill them and get it over with", but think about how this might affect less clear-cut cases... a quick execution might mean an innocent man dies before other evidence is found that might exonerate them (over 100 exonerations of death penalty inmates have occurred in the last few decades, and this number is quickly increasing with the improvement of technology like DNA matching.)
A bullet in the head for each of them equals five bullets. You could probably get that for about 6 bucks at walmart.
Also, I think it's clear that there is proof. The fact that the judge was on drugs just means they have to do a retrial, not that any of the evidence against them has changed.
So if it's up to you the US would, if there is enough evidence, execute it's citizens with a bullet through the head? edit: nvm i guess you are.
Yep a person found guilty of murdering and raping two people would be executed if there was enough evidence and a conviction with an applicable death penalty. It's called capital punishment, and yes we do it.
On December 10 2011 14:20 phosphorylation wrote: I'm against the death penalty, not because i think it's inhumane, but simply because i think that's a waste, not to mention, bit unquantifiable (10 years in prison vs 20 years can be compared but death? hard to quantify; could mean different things to different people).
Instead, I suggest that these really bad criminals, beyond rehabilitation, should be sent to concentration camps to do hard labor for rest of their lives. This serves a few purposes; this is probably worse than death penalty for most people (maybe criminals will actually fear the criminal system now) and it is also malleable depending on the weight of their crimes (length of sentence and severity of labor). They will also be doing something is productive to society (make them mine or fertilize a desert or something like that), so that they at least make up partially for the harm they did to society. It also would lessen the strain on tax payer's money. I also think any profit they make should be sent to the victim and victim's families.
To an extent, I agree with this. I think isolation from the rest of humanity for the rest of their life (ie solitary confinement) would be much worse than a death penalty. If you've ever seen that episode of law and order (it's in season 12) where they have that guy explain what solitary confinement is like, I think it much better suits it. Or throw them in a prison cell full of other rapists and let at it.
Have you even read the last pages? I was arguing capital punishment in general is more expensive to the tax payer then a life sentence. The fact that in this case there might be clear evidence doesnt change that. Then you point out the price of bullets at walmart; that's pretty absurd and i was reacting on that as a method of execution.
Also, law and order? Lulz.
I was using an example law and order episode that used a real life testimony of solitary confinement?
And yes I've read the last few pages, maybe you're missing my point. If instead of setting up everything involved in the cost of a lethal inject, we just use one bullet, it would be a lot cheaper. Is that to hard for you to understand or do you purposely ridicule others posts which you disagree with because you don't understand?
A black preacher releases a statement telling all black people to rape and kill white people..... NOTHING happens to him
Imagine a white person went public and told all white people to rape and kill black people. The shitstorm that would follow. Fucking double-standard. This isn't the first person to do this either
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