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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:03 Djzapz wrote: I mean disregard what I call the scoreboard here zeo, there are many people who have brought up the concern that some shooters may be influenced by the media coverage because they know that they'll become "famous" for having shot up a public place. Some don't care, but others deeply want to become relevant. With over 300 million americans, you can safely assume that there's a couple of people right now who are thinking "I hate this place and I can do better than 50 and people will remember my name". I find it hard to believe that absolutely no shootings are influenced by the massive spotlight they get from the medias. If someone is unstable enough to think something like this is a good idea chances are they would have just found some other excuse to kill people. Of course without these lists we can't make connections that can help us prevent further tragedies like this, or see what we have been doing wrong: | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:10 PhoenixVoid wrote: It was a brief and a misguided statement from Obama to me. What about the ties to ISIS? Perhaps he wasn't properly brief on it or wasn't looking to stoke anything, but mentioning only gun control is short sighted. of course you blame the guns and not the belief system that says gays must be killed (and has been killing them long before guns existed) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:11 zeo wrote: If someone is unstable enough to think something like this is a good idea chances are they would have just found some other excuse to kill people. Maybe. Maybe not. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:10 PhoenixVoid wrote: It was a brief and a misguided statement from Obama to me. What about the ties to ISIS? Perhaps he wasn't properly brief on it or wasn't looking to stoke anything, but mentioning only gun control is short sighted. Maybe they dont have enough actual evidence to make a strong claim about his link to ISIS. I could call 911 say something like that then go do something crazy but that doesnt mean I actually have real links to ISIS. When the president of the US speaks on it, he should have all the information. Not jump to conclusions. He stated the facts, they are looking into it, it appears to be linked to terrorism, specifically what groups if any in particular is not known. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Man called to 911 beforehand "ISIS etc etc etc" no mention of radical islam | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:44 zeo wrote: Youtube livestream of the address: This guy. I just cant fathom how he has such high approval ratings. Americans must be crazy. Just look at your countries shambolic state on every front. This guy has led you to this. He has refused to utter the words 'radical islamic terrorism'. What a deceitful, weak-kneed shill! Its only his gravitas and persona which you guys all lap up along with the paid media. Rather than see behind his word-front, into his massive failiures on EVERY important issue and metric of delivery, you still wish for another term of him(with $hillary). As an outsider I can only watch aghast at how your inanity leads you to implosion as you guys label yourselves as liberals and conservatives rather than realise you have to be one of them on specific-issues rather than politics. I have always been pro-american for all the human good America and its citizens have done for the world as a whole and I hope one day all of you open your eyes to see the mockery you have made your once great nation. /rant | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:15 SK.Testie wrote: Man called to 911 beforehand "ISIS etc etc etc" no mention of radical islam It's actually sad to see the left stumble over themselves when confronted with radical Islamic terror. For Obama to get up and say it's unclear what the motive was, and that it's just an act of generic terror and hate, after we know all of this, I just don't understand. I wonder exactly what it's going to take for them to actually start speaking coherently about it. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:11 zeo wrote: If someone is unstable enough to think something like this is a good idea chances are they would have just found some other excuse to kill people. Of course without these lists we can't make connections that can help us prevent further tragedies like this, or see what we have been doing wrong: https://twitter.com/NYCEMSwebsite/status/742024341014077440 I dont see how any of these stats can be related to Obama's presidency at all. I am pretty sure mass shootings have been on the rise for a while and unfortunately when you are in office for 8 years, its entirely possible that stats will not be on your side if you look hard enough. I can't think of a single US policy that Obama made which could be seen to have a specific impact on the rise of gun violence tbh | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:15 Nedereden wrote: This guy. I just cant fathom how he has such high approval ratings. Americans must be crazy. Just look at your countries shambolic state on every front. This guy has led you to this. He has refused to utter the words 'radical islamic terrorism'. What a deceitful, weak-kneed shill! Its only his gravitas and persona which you guys all lap up along with the paid media. Rather than see behind his word-front, into his massive failiures on EVERY important issue and metric of delivery, you still wish for another term of him(with $hillary). As an outsider I can only watch aghast at how your inanity leads you to implosion as you guys label yourselves as liberals and conservatives rather than realise you have to be one of them on specific-issues rather than politics. I have always been pro-american for all the human good America and its citizens have done for the world as a whole and I hope one day all of you open your eyes to see the mockery you have made your once great nation. /rant Sums it up. Bringing up your political agenda "gun control" while not saying ANYTHING about islamic terrorism is simply disgusting. | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:19 LuckyFool wrote: It's actually sad to see the left stumble over themselves when confronted with radical Islamic terror. For Obama to get up and say it's unclear what the motive was, and that it's just an act of generic terror and hate, after we know all of this, I just don't understand. I wonder exactly what it's going to take for them to actually start speaking coherently about it. Its gonna take balls... which so far seem in paucity at the white house these days!  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:10 PhoenixVoid wrote: It was a brief and a misguided statement from Obama to me. What about the ties to ISIS? Perhaps he wasn't properly brief on it or wasn't looking to stoke anything, but mentioning only gun control is short sighted. All the findings are speculation at this point. The president normal doesn't address those things until they are 100% confirmed by law enforcement/FBI. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote: All the findings are speculation at this point. The president normal doesn't address those things until they are 100% confirmed by law enforcement/FBI. But he can blame this on gun control because it is confirmed the guns were obtained legally? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:19 GoTuNk! wrote: Sums it up. Bringing up your political agenda "gun control" while not saying ANYTHING about islamic terrorism is simply disgusting. He did say it was an act of terrorism. Not defining precisely that it was Islamic terrorism though, how much does it really change? I'm not exactly sure what his motives are, but he is still fighting ISIS abroad and still working on security measures to protect people otherwise (gun laws). I just don't see what meaningfully changes if he starts to say three words instead of one ('terrorism'). I'm curious why you find it so objectionable. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:29 radscorpion9 wrote: He did say it was an act of terrorism. Not defining precisely that it was Islamic terrorism though, how much does it really change? I'm not exactly sure what his motives are, but he is still fighting ISIS abroad and still working on security measures to protect people otherwise (gun laws). I just don't see what meaningfully changes if he starts to say three words instead of one ('terrorism'). I'm curious why you find it so objectionable. Look up Maajid Nawaz talking about the Voldemort effect and you will see why it is a problem. I'll explain anyway. By refusing to use the words radical islamic terrorism, you are not creating a distinction between radical islamists and muslims. It is very harmful to the muslim community. How many times do we have to see a radical islamic terrorist attack and have it described simply as a terrorist attack (whilst also seeing that perpetrator is a muslim) before everyone starts assuming that muslims are terrorists? Answer: Its already happened, and still we can't utter the words. Are we so petrified of these jihadists that we can't even name them? This is the voldemort problem | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13428 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:29 radscorpion9 wrote: He did say it was an act of terrorism. Not defining precisely that it was Islamic terrorism though, how much does it really change? I'm not exactly sure what his motives are, but he is still fighting ISIS abroad and still working on security measures to protect people otherwise (gun laws). I just don't see what meaningfully changes if he starts to say three words instead of one ('terrorism'). I'm curious why you find it so objectionable. Politicization. Its the same reason people from the religious right, who have as elected officials introduced legislation against the LGBT community or opposed legislation which was pro-LGBT are on the news channels speaking out against Muslim religious bigotry. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
ISIS claims responsibility etc | ||
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