On June 12 2016 21:38 ForTehDarkseid wrote: @micronesia, you can correct me if I am mistaken, but LGBT is a criminal offense in a Muslim countries. In Asia and CIS, those communities are heavily targeted for "propaganding", but in most cases it's just sugar-coating the masses' ignorance and intolerance. Trying to solve the problem the soft way (by education and public restrictions) didn't really help, more strict regulations should be imposed.
I am a strong advocate of removing administrative penalties or fines entirely in a favor of straight jail time for any harm caused on a homophobic basis. As the things stand right now, international courts can't do anything against those corrupted countries, while authorities simply don't give a shit about such nuances, or even worse, support those actions indirectly.
And what makes LGBT people more special than other minority groups that the people who openly don't like LGBT deserve special, harsher punishment than if those people, say, openly don't like Asian people?
It's ironic and slightly disturbing how in the US some liberal people seem to think that if people can't be convinced to be liberal the soft way, the state should just enforce it manu militari. For advocating tolerance, US liberals seem very intolerant of people who do not share their views.
When animals misbehave, some measures must be issued.
Last time I checked, racism didn't tie into religion or social propaganda nor does it really prevalent across the globe. Anti-nationalism is mostly entirely different thing.
"People who do not agree with my world view are animals who should be subject to punishment for not sharing my world view". This is essentially what you're saying.
I am saying LGBT-haters are animals. When it comes down to bigotry, there isn't a thing like a different world view for any civilized being. I am feeling that Muslim lobby has already won when people claim that there could be another opinion on this matter.
So you consider pretty much all muslims and a large portion of christians to be animals?
i would say so. either use your brain or dont do anything at all and keep away from less primitive folk.
I challenge you to travel by yourself in a Muslim country (such as Malaysia or Indonesia) and stay with locals. While you won't agree with many of their views, you'll soon notice that those people by and large want the same things we do: a peaceful existence and jobs that allow them to provide for their family.
What you'll also realise before long is that these people view some of our views the same way as we do some of theirs: as backward. The world would be a lot more peaceful is people stopped viewing their world view as the gold standard the rest of the planet should live up to, and seek to impose it upon others by whatever means necessary.
well they can have their views, i just want to be anywhere near their views and the relevancy of their views is minimal because they are detrimental to economic and scientific progress. they are poor because their views are inferior. tough luck, better get superior views or suffer in your own filth.
The "views" that people have are very strongly formed by the culture where they were raised. I could tell you that even if I hadn't been reading any research about that - just look around you and you will find that people in our countries hold a huge set of views that are completely irrational and founded only in tradition that has been passed on them during their lifetimes. It seems to be worse with older people, but it's only because their set of absurd views is more different from yours. If you want a universal starter on this, I can suggest for example trying to talk with people about incest between two consenting adults (and doing so with an open mind). Or you can just sit down and investigate which view you hold are completely irrational. You might be up for a great surprise, but only if you really get into it with an open mind.
Other things I would like to mention is, that the reality in Muslim countries is both better and worse than many people thing. It's better in that not only most of Muslim's are just normal people like you and me, but many Muslim societies have a culture that is very friendly, caring about their relatives and neighbourhs and in general very peaceful. I don't think it's anyhow deeply related to Islam itself, it just happens that Islam is dominant in places with such culture. Then, on the other hand, the same ordinary folks in many Muslim countries do hold these extremely medieval views of things - that's the worse part. They are not going around and burning rainbow flags, because there simply aren't any openly gay people in their village, but they would be sternly against their children engaging in any of that. And many other things work there very differently from what we would consider acceptable, to very varied levels ... but it doesn't come up as hate or barbarism, it's just the way their societies work.
yes its the way their society works and their society works less optimal than ours, thats my whole point. of course we all have some stupidly outdated cultural traits that do no good whatsoever, but our goal has to be to make our cultural habits as fluid as possible, so that we can adapt easily when necessary. we need to understand that culture doesnt stand on its own and doesnt has any merit on its own. its the defining feature of how we deal with all kinds of problems that gets thrown at us, thus we need to be able to get rid of harmful traits and develop or adapt beneficial ones. the problem is we do not know what works ex ante, so my approach is to allow and try everything but heavily limit the way culture gets passed along. basically fighting heavily against all kinds of discrimination, protect children from their parents views in case they try to force them on them and try to break the rigidity and exclusivity of cultural norms as well as fight cultural conservation. then some habits will natural evolve and replace all the shitty things we have now. result will be people with vastly superior ethics than we have now. granted, the goals can be a bit arbitrary, but since everyone should also be able to set his own goals, there most likely exist superior goals as well.
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and numbers shouldn't be a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card is beyond me.
It's funny that you think governments aren't using things like this to their advantage to fuel some massive (geo)political agenda. They just don't do it, because they much rather have some local, direct (temporary) influence rather than a global, over time (permanent) one. It's the same reason why politicians only care about the NOW and the present (or nearing) elections when they're elected, instead of building a framework for future generations. It's partly because the massas don't have the attention span, nor the insight. Partly because they also want their situation to become better NOW (you don't want to wait 3 generations before your living/work situation becomes better, do you?). It's a fucked situations imo.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
They try and do that. But the terrorist are adaptive and quickly switch to new venues. That same tactic that all pirate bay to stay active for over a decade are used by terrorist. They are not married or locked it to any specific system of communication.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam.
I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam.
I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation.
And very, very few (except maybe some radical Dominionists) are advocating the death penalty for homosexuality.
Look. Don't turn this into the new US Politics thread, where we just take pot shots at the people on the other side of the Great Political Divide of America.
So Trump chose to tweet thanking his supporters for congratulating him about being right about Islam and Terrorism. The Paranoia, fervent religiosity is a toxic mix in this country. Add in a gun culture unparalleled in history.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam.
Except for all those anti abortion and bathroom laws. A target bathroom was recently bombed after comming out in support of transgender people. And there have been numerous attacks and threats against clinics that preform abortions. All of these are problems, from radical Islam to radical Christians. People with guns who don't value human life.
And Trump. His response to this will be used world wide to recruit and as evidence that the US hates all Mulsims. Just like anti communists propaganda during the Cold War was used by the USSR as proof the Americans were going launch at any time.
On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote: How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride.
By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed.
Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam.
I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation.
Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat.
I woke up early to catch the finals to the Manila Major (power went out half way through game 4 so I couldn't even do that), and then I hear about this. Fuckin' downer.
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