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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:37 ahswtini wrote: two months ago: What exactly does this have to do with the topic at hand? Was the shooter at that meeting? Did he speak to the guy in the video? I agree that the guy giving a speech like that is an asshole and that he should be charged with hatespeech for example, but if it isn't relevant to this thread it shouldn't be here. Its just inciting the whole anti muslim sentiment type stuff ... again. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Trump chose to tweet thanking his supporters for congratulating him about being right about Islam and Terrorism. The Paranoia, fervent religiosity is a toxic mix in this country. Add in a gun culture unparalleled in history. Why would you blame "gun culture" on this? As I'm a aware a gay bar is as far as an armed place as possible. Do you think 1 shooter can get away with 50 kills at a rap bar in detroit? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:45 ZeromuS wrote: What exactly does this have to do with the topic at hand? Was the shooter at that meeting? Did he speak to the guy in the video? I agree that the guy giving a speech like that is an asshole and that he should be charged with hatespeech for example, but if it isn't relevant to this thread it shouldn't be here. Its just inciting the whole anti muslim sentiment type stuff ... again. This guy spoke in Orlando 2 months ago and it was given local news coverage. The shooter started getting upset about gay people kissing 2 months ago (according to his parents). It could be a coincidence but surely it is relevant. Its only going to incite anti-muslim stuff among morons who think that this guy represents the views of all muslims. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:47 GoTuNk! wrote: Why would you blame "gun culture" on this? As I'm a aware a gay bar is as far as an armed place as possible. Do you think 1 shooter can get away with 50 kills at a rap bar in detroit? Take it to the gun laws thread. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
They know they're inciting violence by giving fame and name recognition to the perpetrators, and now they're also including a scoreboard for mass shooters? Maybe they'll start also releasing stats in spreadsheets so you can directly compare the events. How did X asshole fare against Y asshole? Well X had a longer shooting before he killed himself and he wounded more people but Y killed more in a shorter amount of time! Maybe we'll get an overall score at the end too. 100 points for a kill, 50 for someone who's crippled for life, 20 for a flesh wound. This is horrifying. Stay strong 'Merica and my condolences to the families of the victims  | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:50 Djzapz wrote: What the fuck is wrong with the media... "worst shooting in the history of the US"... and then there's a list of shootings with this one at the top and then the other shootings in descending order. They know they're inciting violence by giving fame and name recognition to the perpetrators, and now they're also including a scoreboard for mass shooters? Maybe they'll start also releasing stats in spreadsheets so you can directly compare the events. How did X asshole fare against Y asshole? Well X had a longer shooting before he killed himself and he wounded more people but Y killed more in a shorter amount of time! Maybe we'll get an overall score at the end too. 100 points for a kill, 50 for someone who's crippled for life, 20 for a flesh wound. This is horrifying. Stay strong 'Merica and my condolences to the families of the victims ((Ratings. The US Media is in competition with reality TV so they need to keep eyes on them so they stoke fear. Edit: 2 minutea till Obama speaks. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:53 AsnSensation wrote: How the fuck does 1 guy kill 50 people... so fucked up. With a powerful weapon and the element of surprise sadly. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:50 Djzapz wrote: What the fuck is wrong with the media... "worst shooting in the history of the US"... and then there's a list of shootings with this one at the top and then the other shootings in descending order. 50 here and then 32 and then 27 and then 23 or whatever. They know they're inciting violence by giving fame and name recognition to the perpetrators, and now they're also including a scoreboard for mass shooters? Maybe they'll start also releasing stats in spreadsheets so you can directly compare the events. How did X asshole fare against Y asshole? Well X had a longer shooting before he killed himself and he wounded more people but Y killed more in a shorter amount of time! Maybe we'll get an overall score at the end too. 100 points for a kill, 50 for someone who's crippled for life, 20 for a flesh wound. This is horrifying. Stay strong 'Merica and my condolences to the families of the victims This has been being pointed out for years now. News stations even run coverage of this story about how evil they are to get more ratings. Give up on this one, its not ever going to change. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32751 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:50 Djzapz wrote: What the fuck is wrong with the media... "worst shooting in the history of the US"... and then there's a list of shootings with this one at the top and then the other shootings in descending order. 50 here and then 32 and then 27 and then 23 or whatever. They know they're inciting violence by giving fame and name recognition to the perpetrators, and now they're also including a scoreboard for mass shooters? Maybe they'll start also releasing stats in spreadsheets so you can directly compare the events. How did X asshole fare against Y asshole? Well X had a longer shooting before he killed himself and he wounded more people but Y killed more in a shorter amount of time! Maybe we'll get an overall score at the end too. 100 points for a kill, 50 for someone who's crippled for life, 20 for a flesh wound. This is horrifying. Stay strong 'Merica and my condolences to the families of the victims Its just context no? If you say 'well this is the largest pizza in the World' you usually say how big the last record holder was. Context. There are people out there that don't realize just how big this death toll is compared to previous shootings. Very very few mass killers went on rampages to beat a highscore, and they would have went on rampages either way | ||
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oBlade
United States6319 Posts
On June 13 2016 01:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Okay thanks  I'm more upset with the fact that this is probably a hate crime than with the religion of the assailant, considering American hate crimes are committed by all different groups of people. The next ten (and previous ten) anti-gay laws and crimes are committed by Christians and/or wealthy politicians, so prejudice is unfortunately ubiquitous and not restricted to Islam.You can say prejudice is everywhere, but killing 50 people is definitely not common. The worst mass shooting in US history urges some more scrutiny. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:49 Jockmcplop wrote: This guy spoke in Orlando 2 months ago and it was given local news coverage. The shooter started getting upset about gay people kissing 2 months ago (according to his parents). It could be a coincidence but surely it is relevant. Its only going to incite anti-muslim stuff among morons who think that this guy represents the views of all muslims. I would say that this guy's views represent the opinions of a lot of muslims worldwide regarding homosexuality. Just have a look at the legal frameworks for homosexuality in countries with a population consisting of muslims mostly... Of course this doesn't tell us anything about the individual, but the opinion "death for gays" is clearly no fringe position. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:58 zeo wrote: Its just context no? If you say 'well this is the largest pizza in the World' you usually say how big the last record holder was. Context. There are people out there that don't realize just how big this death toll is compared to previous shootings. Very very few mass killers went on rampages to beat a highscore, and they would have went on rampages either way I mean disregard what I call the scoreboard here zeo, there are many people who have brought up the concern that some shooters may be influenced by the media coverage because they know that they'll become "famous" for having shot up a public place. Some don't care, but others deeply want to become relevant. With over 300 million americans, you can safely assume that there's a couple of people right now who are thinking "I hate this place and I can do better than 50 and people will remember my name". I find it hard to believe that absolutely no shootings are influenced by the massive spotlight they get from the medias. Context is fine, information is fine, but here. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Nedereden
777 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:04 Nedereden wrote: RADICAL. ISLAMIC. TERRORISM. F. U. Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13410 Posts
On June 13 2016 02:59 AngryMag wrote: I would say that this guy's views represent the opinions of a lot of muslims worldwide regarding homosexuality. Just have a look at the legal frameworks for homosexuality in countries with a population consisting of muslims mostly... Of course this doesn't tell us anything about the individual, but the opinion "death for gays" is clearly no fringe position. And that position is not exclusive to people who follow islam so it bothers me immensely when people draw these lines and point to the religion as the cause and imply that others who follow the same religion will have the same result. There are many countries in this world where being gay is punishable by death and they are not exclusively muslim. Not that long ago it was illegal to be gay in much of the western world by punishment of imprisonment let alone hate crimes on an individual basis against them. So again, we shouldn't be using this as an opporunity to label an entire religion as being hateful and dangerous. Rather we should be talking about the news, offering condolensces, and if we hate anyone, its extremist opinion of all stripes - not just islamic extremism. On June 13 2016 03:06 xDaunt wrote: Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now. I thought being so close to the end of his presidency he wouldn't give two shits. Maybe he doesnt want to further solidify people to the defacto republican votes. I can't even begin to imagine how Trump would have reacted to this had he been president. Wouldn't have been anywhere near as graceful. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:06 xDaunt wrote: Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now. no surprises there | ||
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