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United States15275 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
Look up Maajid Nawaz talking about the Voldemort effect and you will see why it is a problem
Ergh, do I have to individually point out all the logical fallacies in his argument? Or that it's a tired rehash of sociopolitical propaganda that stretches back to Egyptian times?
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On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat.
And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views 
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Canada13427 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views
Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually.
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According to Reuters ISIS has claimed responsibility for this event.
There is also confirmation that Mateen called 911 and swore allegiance with ISIS prior to the murders.
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On June 13 2016 03:06 xDaunt wrote:Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now.
Yea man, glad to see muricans still in denial about the gun rights Let's see how many more people die for nothing because "MUH GUNS!"
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On June 13 2016 03:40 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually.
Fair enough. I didn't mean in the sense of extremism, but rather in the sense of both being conservative and religious in many places. Sorry if it came out wrong.
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On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:06 xDaunt wrote:On June 13 2016 03:04 Nedereden wrote:
RADICAL. ISLAMIC. TERRORISM. F. U. Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now. Yea man, glad to see muricans still in denial about the gun rights Let's see how many more people die for nothing because "MUH GUNS!"
You should read the disclaimer above this thread, just saying
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On June 13 2016 03:43 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 03:06 xDaunt wrote:On June 13 2016 03:04 Nedereden wrote:
RADICAL. ISLAMIC. TERRORISM. F. U. Of course Obama takes the obligatory swipe at US gun rights, but fails to utter those words. We should expect nothing less by now. Yea man, glad to see muricans still in denial about the gun rights Let's see how many more people die for nothing because "MUH GUNS!" You should read the disclaimer above this thread, just saying
Yeah, didnt notice, my bad.
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Canada13427 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:40 ZeromuS wrote:On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually. Fair enough. I didn't mean in the sense of extremism, but rather in the sense of both being conservative and religious in many places. Sorry if it came out wrong.
Its fine just be careful.
On topic:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-orlando-nightclub-shooting-blood-donations-20160612-story.html
If you are anywhere near Orland, you should go to https://www.oneblood.org/ and find a blood donation clinic near you. The injured could really use it and I am sure the blood clinics will need it.
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Another man has been arrested on his way to LAPride apparently armed with guns and explosives. No reports yet on race/motive on this one.
Source
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On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:40 ZeromuS wrote:On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually. Fair enough. I didn't mean in the sense of extremism, but rather in the sense of both being conservative and religious in many places. Sorry if it came out wrong.
Idk, Democrats seem more religious to me...
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On June 13 2016 03:47 SK.Testie wrote:Another man has been arrested on his way to LAPride apparently armed with guns and explosives. No reports yet on race/motive on this one. Source
He's a white guy driving a car with Indiana plates.
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On June 13 2016 03:47 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 03:40 ZeromuS wrote:On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually. Fair enough. I didn't mean in the sense of extremism, but rather in the sense of both being conservative and religious in many places. Sorry if it came out wrong. Idk, Democrats seem more religious to me...
And still Republicans are the ones who place their positions on religious beliefs more.
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United States15275 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:41 Integra wrote:According to Reuters ISIS has claimed responsibility for this event. There is also confirmation that Mateen called 911 and swore allegiance with ISIS prior to the murders.
There's no reason ISIS shouldn't. The group understands the value of brand recognition and it's not like this will hurt their "relationship" with Western governments (maybe with other terrorist sects, but that's a different topic altogether). It's doubtful that ISIS was logistically involved in any capacity, but claiming responsibility increases their perceived influence. Also it gives disenchanted youth permission to carry out acts of terror; they may be squeamish if they recognize their motivation as an individual declaration, but they can mentally reframe their anger as stemming from an ideological war.
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I don't think that's related except to the extent that it could conceivably be tied to the terrorist's inspiration.
A pro-Isis group has released a hit list with the names of more than 8,000 peoplemostly Americans.
More than 600-people live in Florida, and one security expert believes that many of those targeted live in Palm Beach County and on the Treasure Coast.
It's just them spreading general fear.
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On June 13 2016 03:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:41 Integra wrote:According to Reuters ISIS has claimed responsibility for this event. There is also confirmation that Mateen called 911 and swore allegiance with ISIS prior to the murders. There's no reason ISIS shouldn't. The group understands the value of brand recognition and it's not like this will hurt their "relationship" with Western governments (maybe with other terrorist sects, but that's a different topic altogether). It's doubtful that ISIS was logistically involved in any capacity, but claiming responsibility increases their perceived influence.
In this case though the shooter himself called into 911 swearing allegiance to ISIS. So...
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On June 13 2016 03:48 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:47 SK.Testie wrote:Another man has been arrested on his way to LAPride apparently armed with guns and explosives. No reports yet on race/motive on this one. Source He's a white guy driving a car with Indiana plates.
and LAPD said there's no connection with Orlando
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re: zeo and religion/party info.
Note that that listing is by sect; rather than by % of population, I know some of those sects have a lot more members than some others.
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On June 13 2016 03:47 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 03:42 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 03:40 ZeromuS wrote:On June 13 2016 03:39 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:29 zeo wrote:On June 13 2016 02:20 Luolis wrote:On June 13 2016 02:15 SolaR- wrote:On June 13 2016 02:08 maartendq wrote:On June 13 2016 01:45 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
How can it be hard? Jail the hatespeakers and vandals. stop religious propaganda, sanction most barbaric countries, hack extremist sites, track the funding, improve the security in public places. If they don't adapt and compherend human values, they would rot slowly with minimum negative effects. It always was the case in history, and opposing numbers shouldn't be of a concern.
Why people still insist on playing the compassion card and are cautiously optimistic towards violent opinions is beyond me. Religious extremism and terrorism is growing like a cancer and animals mate faster to acquire more resources for the pride. By that metric a large majority of members of the US Republican party as well as their supporters should be jailed. Don't be ridiculous. The republican party is in no way shape or form comparable to Islam. I dunno man, very religious and conservative views. I can definitely see the correlation. Reminder that the shooter in Orlando was a registered Democrat. And? I'm just saying that Republicans and Muslims do share atleast some views Can we not make blanket statements like this? Its offensive to both republicans and muslims - and not because of the conflation of the two but of the conflation of extremism and each individually. Fair enough. I didn't mean in the sense of extremism, but rather in the sense of both being conservative and religious in many places. Sorry if it came out wrong. Idk, Democrats seem more religious to me...
That is because you don't understand the data you just quoted. From the same study, presenting the data differently:
![[image loading]](http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/10/PF_15.10.27_SecondRLS_overview_nonesDems640px.png)
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