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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 01 2017 14:22 GMT
#17621
Isn't growing legal in Spain? I thought you could just grow your own.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 14:25:35
June 01 2017 14:22 GMT
#17622
Oh well, that's because Barcelona isn't Spain :p

I think it has to do more with big cities rather than countries, and well, it doesn't help that i am from an island, so sometimes if the police get their shit together it can go lengthy times of draught. Getting weed in Tenerife is not hard, but requires some connections, or get shafted. Same happened to me when living on Elche, But Alicante or Barcelona wasn't really hard, i already knew people so i didn't have to bother to look for options. Granada was as easy as walk into a bar for some tapas, see if there were a moroccian, then get some hash, plenty of food and drinks for cheap.

On June 01 2017 23:22 bardtown wrote:
Isn't growing legal in Spain? I thought you could just grow your own.

Yeah, as long you do it for self-comsuption and not trafficking, but i don't smoke enough to take the time to do that, neither i want the neighbours to smell weed from my terrace.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 14:26:45
June 01 2017 14:24 GMT
#17623
Officially UK has a strict marijuana policy. Officially for drug driving it is 2mg per litre of THC, since before it was hard to prove that smoking was the cause of dangerous driving so it turned to a flat limit. Supposedly THC disappears from saliva in under 6 hours. For smoking the stuff, it seems that the police are very lenient, at least in London. They only seem to crack down on the growers, not the dealers or smokers. Quite a few politicians happily admit they smoke pot. Probably not a good idea to light one up in from of a policeman though. Had a few friends who simply had theirs confiscated.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 01 2017 17:55 GMT
#17624
On June 01 2017 23:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Officially UK has a strict marijuana policy. Officially for drug driving it is 2mg per litre of THC, since before it was hard to prove that smoking was the cause of dangerous driving so it turned to a flat limit. Supposedly THC disappears from saliva in under 6 hours. For smoking the stuff, it seems that the police are very lenient, at least in London. They only seem to crack down on the growers, not the dealers or smokers. Quite a few politicians happily admit they smoke pot. Probably not a good idea to light one up in from of a policeman though. Had a few friends who simply had theirs confiscated.

I've had mine confiscated a few times. There was only this weird time with my friends : we were busy setting up our tent near a big festival, two junkies came to us but they were in fact cops and they told us they were looking for hard drugs and gave it back to us. The customs were also cool about it even if they confiscated it when coming back from the Netherlands. The annoying ones are the BAC (anti criminality brigade) as they act like cunts half of the time but never bother doing more than throwing our stuff away.

We also used to do most of our parties during winter at one friend's place as they're always abroad and the police somehow wiretapped him because they thought he was a dealer.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 01 2017 18:06 GMT
#17625
In the US of A, even where it's legal you have to go through hoops to be able to smoke marijuana. In my line of work I'd be fired for ever smoking even if I did it in a state where it was legal, for example.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 18:48:46
June 01 2017 18:44 GMT
#17626
No, I've not been affected personally. Acrofales you know my dark side I want heavy law for heavy crimes, not for stupid things! Three days ago in my town the police gave a 5,000 euros fine to a 15 year old boy because he modified his motor-scooter to create some more noise. Do they realize that they potentially ruined the life of a family? Is society safer after this?
Or listen to this other incredible police story: in my town, the police waited at the train station where some hookers usually are. A customer picked one up and went into a dark alley in the industrial district to have sex. The police followed them, waited 20 minutes in the car and then walked up to them having sex. 10,000 euros fine each for obscenity. I repeat, 10,000 euros. What an act of bravery! True heroes!
Meanwhile, on the other side, heavy crimes are often given a pat on the back. There was a case of two guys in Rome who stole the wallet from a chinese tourist, she chased them and got killed by an incoming train. They were released because there was 'no clear causal connection to the incident'. Meh.

To expand on alcohol, I read some fucked up things concerning Arizona, maybe someone here can confirm. A guy got in problems with the cops because he was drunk and went to pick up his jacket from his parked car. They stopped him because, since he had the keys, he could potentially drive. Wtf? Or people who just want to sleep in the car for an hour to return to acceptable levels of alcohol for them to drive and got charged a DUI because they had the keys inserted in the car...
Dating thread on TL LUL
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-01 20:04:14
June 01 2017 20:03 GMT
#17627
They waited 20 minutes, and the John wasnt done yet? It's not like you have to worry about foreplay. Just pull your pants down, lube up and 5 mins later you walk back out of the alley and wave at the cops
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 01 2017 20:07 GMT
#17628
On June 02 2017 03:44 SoSexy wrote:
No, I've not been affected personally. Acrofales you know my dark side I want heavy law for heavy crimes, not for stupid things! Three days ago in my town the police gave a 5,000 euros fine to a 15 year old boy because he modified his motor-scooter to create some more noise. Do they realize that they potentially ruined the life of a family? Is society safer after this?
Or listen to this other incredible police story: in my town, the police waited at the train station where some hookers usually are. A customer picked one up and went into a dark alley in the industrial district to have sex. The police followed them, waited 20 minutes in the car and then walked up to them having sex. 10,000 euros fine each for obscenity. I repeat, 10,000 euros. What an act of bravery! True heroes!
Meanwhile, on the other side, heavy crimes are often given a pat on the back. There was a case of two guys in Rome who stole the wallet from a chinese tourist, she chased them and got killed by an incoming train. They were released because there was 'no clear causal connection to the incident'. Meh.

To expand on alcohol, I read some fucked up things concerning Arizona, maybe someone here can confirm. A guy got in problems with the cops because he was drunk and went to pick up his jacket from his parked car. They stopped him because, since he had the keys, he could potentially drive. Wtf? Or people who just want to sleep in the car for an hour to return to acceptable levels of alcohol for them to drive and got charged a DUI because they had the keys inserted in the car...

This sure sounds like an abuse of power problem.
Without knowing the leeway the law allowes for its hard to say though.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 01 2017 22:56 GMT
#17629
Our last hope for survival is in the hands of people like Merkel, Macron and Xi Jinping. I'm getting pretty fatalistic at this point for Earth and civilized life.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
June 01 2017 23:00 GMT
#17630
On June 02 2017 07:56 Big J wrote:
Our last hope for survival is in the hands of people like Merkel, Macron and Xi Jinping. I'm getting pretty fatalistic at this point for Earth and civilized life.

At what point in history do you think we were much better served regarding world leaders?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 02 2017 01:52 GMT
#17631
Assuming that Merkel wins this year and that things continue to be this volatile I honestly wonder what happens in 2021, we might possibly see the first chancellor governing twenty years. Don't even really know who the CDU will put up after her, she's kind of eliminated her whole competition over the years
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 08:34:00
June 02 2017 08:33 GMT
#17632
On June 02 2017 08:00 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 07:56 Big J wrote:
Our last hope for survival is in the hands of people like Merkel, Macron and Xi Jinping. I'm getting pretty fatalistic at this point for Earth and civilized life.

At what point in history do you think we were much better served regarding world leaders?


Dunno, we didn't face that type of problem before. Point is that we are facing a physical problem and we have leaders that are barely acknowleding that we are building a planetary gas chamber when something like Trump happens, and even then mainly because it goes against nationalist competitive interests. Pretending they have things under control just because they are not mentally ill maniacs, that should be locked away like the guy who sits in the White House, does not help anyone.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28797 Posts
June 02 2017 13:48 GMT
#17633
Have a hard time thinking of a (significant) leader through history I'd be more happy to cede 'future direction of the world' to than Merkel, tbh.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
June 02 2017 14:10 GMT
#17634
On June 02 2017 22:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Have a hard time thinking of a (significant) leader through history I'd be more happy to cede 'future direction of the world' to than Merkel, tbh.

Obviously we look at them through the lense of history, but there have been some great statesmen who mixed visionary thinking with enough pragmatism to get stuff done. Benjamin Franklin (and in general, the US founding fathers were quite a remarkable bunch), Charles de Gaulle, Thomas Cromwell, Bismarck, Dom Pedro II, Mahatma Ghandi, to name a few.

I don't know whether Merkel will ever make it into lists like that, because she is a leader in a far less tumultuous time. But she is definitely one of the better statesmen (stateswomen? statespeople?) today.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 01:44:31
June 03 2017 01:30 GMT
#17635
I'm assuming this was widespread news in western media, breaking headlines everywhere, and I didn't have to dig to find this covered somewhere in the west after hearing about it on Russian propaganda media? It was obviously upvoted on Reddit just as quickly as the allegations that Russians are hacking every election and nobody still believes that Russian state actors leaked and falsified the data from Macrons campaign?

(ST.PETERSBURG, Russia) —The head of the French government's cyber security agency, which investigated leaks from President Emmanuel Macron's election campaign, says they found no trace of a notorious Russian hacking group behind the attack.

In an interview in his office Thursday with The Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard said the Macron campaign hack "was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone."

He said they found no trace that the Russian hacking group known as APT28, blamed for other attacks including on the U.S. presidential campaign, was responsible.

Poupard is director general of the government cyber-defense agency known in France by its acronym, ANSSI. Its experts were immediately dispatched when documents stolen from the Macron campaign leaked online on May 5 in the closing hours of the presidential race.

Poupard says the attack's simplicity "means that we can imagine that it was a person who did this alone. They could be in any country."

Source

Or maybe, just maybe, we can concede that the western media prefers Russophobic narratives over accurate reporting, at least in terms of actual visibility of the reports?
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 03 2017 05:09 GMT
#17636
I did read this in Austrian news and an article about it was upvoted on r/europe a day ago.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
June 03 2017 06:10 GMT
#17637
On June 03 2017 14:09 Big J wrote:
I did read this in Austrian news and an article about it was upvoted on r/europe a day ago.

You mean this one?

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/duplicates/6eoqa5/the_latest_france_says_no_trace_of_russian/

Yeah, that's a lotta upvotes and publicity for sure. Now imagine the headlines from the WaPo, NYT, etc, that would've been floating all around reddit with probably tens of thousands of upvotes if France had confirmed it was Russia. In fact, how many people are still convinced it was Russia due to articles like the ones below (even though there is some doubt written into the articles themselves) which are far more widespread than the denial:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5tzapp/claims_that_russia_is_interfering_with_french/

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5tuplh/french_presidential_frontrunner_emmanuel_macron/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/world/europe/macron-russian-hacking.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/macron-campaign-says-its-emails-have-been-subjected-to-massive-coordinated-hacking/2017/05/06/368c0460-31e1-11e7-a335-fa0ae1940305_story.html

Sure, the correct information is out there, but there is a clear disparity in how widespread & accepted it is. Perhaps the problem lies not specifically with the media alone, and I am wrong to focus on that, but there is definitely a problem here. And it seems to me that it's related to what essentially comes down to Russophobia in one way or another (of a similar nature to Islamophobia - especially considering that some western leaders are grouping up Russia and ISIS as the biggest threats to western democracy)
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 03 2017 06:57 GMT
#17638
On June 03 2017 15:10 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2017 14:09 Big J wrote:
I did read this in Austrian news and an article about it was upvoted on r/europe a day ago.

You mean this one?

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/duplicates/6eoqa5/the_latest_france_says_no_trace_of_russian/

Yeah, that's a lotta upvotes and publicity for sure. Now imagine the headlines from the WaPo, NYT, etc, that would've been floating all around reddit with probably tens of thousands of upvotes if France had confirmed it was Russia. In fact, how many people are still convinced it was Russia due to articles like the ones below (even though there is some doubt written into the articles themselves) which are far more widespread than the denial:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5tzapp/claims_that_russia_is_interfering_with_french/

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5tuplh/french_presidential_frontrunner_emmanuel_macron/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/world/europe/macron-russian-hacking.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/macron-campaign-says-its-emails-have-been-subjected-to-massive-coordinated-hacking/2017/05/06/368c0460-31e1-11e7-a335-fa0ae1940305_story.html

Sure, the correct information is out there, but there is a clear disparity in how widespread & accepted it is. Perhaps the problem lies not specifically with the media alone, and I am wrong to focus on that, but there is definitely a problem here. And it seems to me that it's related to what essentially comes down to Russophobia in one way or another (of a similar nature to Islamophobia - especially considering that some western leaders are grouping up Russia and ISIS as the biggest threats to western democracy)


Not gonna deny that, but in general media is simply all about sensation. It's always superduperinteresting to publish an attack of someone on something. I mean, that's not new and Russia-specific. It's been the story of right-wing populism, you throw out something insane, you get an uproar and coverage by all media of how stupid what you said is and then claim that "liberal media" is silencing you. "You can't even say that anymore."
Media is picking up every refugee crime allegation nowadays, whether it is true or false you will rarely read.

It's a general media problem, the more dramatic your claim, the more coverage you get. Truth is boring.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 10:37:08
June 03 2017 10:36 GMT
#17639
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On the left, what might happen with the current voting system in French législatives (EM scores ~30% in the poll...).
On the right, for the same score, the results with a proportional system.

Potemkin "democracy"
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 10:56:22
June 03 2017 10:55 GMT
#17640
On June 03 2017 19:36 TheDwf wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On the left, what might happen with the current voting system in French législatives (EM scores ~30% in the poll...).
On the right, for the same score, the results with a proportional system.

Potemkin "democracy"

Doesn't that method have advantages though? Like it makes it easier to govern, individual members of parliament become more accountable to their districts rather than their parties and the people actually have a say on who gets elected to parliament?
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