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a_flayer
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Plansix
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Sent.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 06 2017 08:54 Plansix wrote: So all it takes is all governments to get along and none of them to horde exploits? Yes, so I agree with your earlier assertion that they will somehow nationalize the internet in some nefarious manner. I think there will be things like requiring SSNs for registering in online services to cut out the Russian internet trolls, etc. There will be more surveillance, more logging, ... ugh. Why can't people make sensible choices. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 06 2017 08:58 a_flayer wrote: Yes, so I agree with your earlier assertion that they will somehow nationalize the internet in some nefarious manner. I think there will be things like requiring SSNs for registering in online services to cut out the Russian internet trolls, etc. There will be more surveillance, more logging, ... ugh. Why can't people make sensible choices. I think we would just be better off with two Internets. The wild west internet we have now and a more locked down version for stuff like elections, finances and medical records. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
I give up. (I don't really see that solving the end-user software security problem) | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
Edit 1: I'm not too familiar with France, but the media takes a 48 hour blackout on the election apparently. Kinda well timed considering with the leaks. Edit 2: This website did some digging and claims there's evidence of Photoshopping on some of the documents, along with some other faults. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 06 2017 09:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: I wonder if the alleged Macron tax leaks are too late to influence the election, or just in time. Any French TL'ers actually see this being discussed seriously mainstream, or is it just something stuck to the people who follow Wikileaks' Twitter and browse /pol/? Leaks take at least a few days to actually read through. I'm afraid that pre-election, all that will happen is the perception of stuff being leaked. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 06 2017 09:11 a_flayer wrote: Yeah, two independent networks would an acceptable solution. I just hope they'll get there and not some other solution, and that it will be implemented in a reasonable and sensi-- I give up. (I don't really see that solving the end-user software security problem) One of the ways to address security is by making is easier to find the person who broke into your computer. Currently the level of effort required is very high. Lessen that and you lower of the volume of bad behavior simply because you increase the chance of getting caught. | ||
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Nyxisto
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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On May 06 2017 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: Also can't help but laugh at the fact that the French stubbornness to learn languages that aren't French is actually a really good defense against these leak and meme attacks. We're basically living in Snow Crash at this point. Hopefully when Ireland holds elections if anything gets leaked it will be in Irish. | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 06 2017 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: Also can't help but laugh at the fact that the French stubbornness to learn languages that aren't French is actually a really good defense against these leak and meme attacks. We're basically living in Snow Crash at this point. I will concede that leaks can have impact, but let's not act like memes actually influence anything. You see the deluded crowds of /r/The_Donald thinking they were directly responsible for "memeing" Trump into the White House, and referring to themselves as soldiers from the "Meme Wars". These things have an impact for sure, but I can't see it being more than infinitesimal. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
... "It is time for a serious debate on the constitution," he said. "Not only among elites and politicians, but among the Polish people." Voters should have the chance to express whether they are satisfied with the current political system or would like to see changes, he said, adding his own perspective: "Poles and Poland have earned a new constitution." power grabs seem to be on the rise in the east. More presidential power A referendum could be scheduled for 2018, Duda said, in which voters would decide the roles for the president and parliament as well as which rights and freedoms should be "more strongly emphasized" as a means of defending against a privileged "caste system." It is an anti-establishment argument that parallels statements made by Kaczynski, who divides society between decent and patriotic "better" citizens and a "worse kind." ... Opposition fears authoritarian state Experts and members of the opposition have expressed their concerns, pointing to the government's campaign against checks and balances and the country's constitutional tribunal. A PiS proposal in 2010 would have "ended the democratic and secular state, (replacing it with) an authoritarian, Catholic state," said Andrzej Halicki, a liberal politician. we have a center right president and a center left government so the power struggle gets somewhat counteracted but PSD(current gov.), is pushing hard for more power(public sector, justice, defense apparatus institutions ..etc) while using religion+nationalism to get the populus on their side. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 06 2017 14:38 Spaylz wrote: I will concede that leaks can have impact, but let's not act like memes actually influence anything. You see the deluded crowds of /r/The_Donald thinking they were directly responsible for "memeing" Trump into the White House, and referring to themselves as soldiers from the "Meme Wars". These things have an impact for sure, but I can't see it being more than infinitesimal. In the broadest sense of the word "Make America Great Again" is a meme, and so is "E-mails!" Also, the Hillary campaign did in fact try to address Pepe the Frog. | ||
Poopi
France13018 Posts
On May 06 2017 08:00 TheDwf wrote: Disgusting method, and of course a few hours before the end of the campaign... Some people must be really desperate... Too bad for them, their 3 IQ candidate still won't be elected! I don't think lowering her IQ to absurd amounts on purpose is wise. She is probably, from the looks of it, around average (100 or 105 in France?), which is utterly mediocre for a candidate, but still. I don't think the email leak will work in France tho, this seems like a pretty silly thing to do there, and the timing is pretty bad. See, since there are a lot of useless mails, they said something along the lines of "well there are legit ones, but fake ones as well!" so people will probably vote even more in order to be sure MLP doesn't get elected. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 06 2017 08:42 Mohdoo wrote: If this turns out to be Russia, I genuinely wonder what in the world we are going to do about cyber attacks like this. In a worst case scenario: Lets say Russia begins hacking the emails and whatever else they can of all major European elections. The evidence is there, everyone knows it, blah blah. Let's say it gets proven to the point where LegalLord agrees it is true. What does anyone even really do? War (illegal foreign intervention in an election is a totally valid casus belli), cold war (economic sanctions, diplomatic tensions, retaliation, etc), counter-intelligence, hardcore security measures (nationalized Internet, etc). Can't see anything else. But honestly, email leaks isn't much to be worried about. That's not going to influence anyone, except if they reveal illegal things, in which case it's probably better if they're leaked anyway. The real issue is with propaganda, media influencing, etc. | ||
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Prothoenor
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So if Macron broke the law, lied to the voters, or something else crucial to his ability to become president, the French media will be breaking the law if they report on it. So the idea is to elect Macron, then to depose him right away? And hacking to influence the outcome of an election, that surely is an act of war by Russia, once again. So does this actually mean Russia and France are in wartime now? I mean, Russia does seem to have committed the same act of war again, that they also did vs the US. I have little doubts it is Russians linked to the FSB, linked to Putin, once again. So how bad does information warfare have to get before there are real world war consequences? Or does a hack really have to kill someone to be an act of war? I mean, blocking a port has been an act of war in the past. Changing an election outcome is probably worse. | ||
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