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On September 06 2018 04:15 Big J wrote:FPÖ (far-right and government party) military speaker Reinhard Bösch has adivced for a European attack war in Northern Africa to take land where refugees can be concentrated and then sent to where they came from. Is it that time of the century again? 
Did he actually specify which country should we attack? Or it doesnt matter that much?
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On September 06 2018 18:01 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 04:15 Big J wrote:FPÖ (far-right and government party) military speaker Reinhard Bösch has adivced for a European attack war in Northern Africa to take land where refugees can be concentrated and then sent to where they came from. Is it that time of the century again? Did he actually specify which country should we attack? Or it doesnt matter that much?
He first said that he wanted refugee centers in Libya. As the interviewer told him that this wasnt a stable country he answered that for that reason the EU should just take and secure land in Northern Africa. Which he then clarified, that this practically means sending the European military to take land.
So in conclusion I think Libya would be a preferred first target, but you may be right, it probably doesn't matter that much.
I wonder what clarifications this guy would come up with if someone told him how densely populated Greater Germany is and how sparsely populated Eastern Europe...
By the way chancellor Kurz doesn't feel responsible to comment the topic ("not my party") and Vice chancellor Strache clarified that it should be seen as a "contribution to the discussion".
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I look forward to see how they are going to frame it as Germany's idea after WW3. Seriously Austria - wtf?
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I don't think the Austrian guy meant annexing a part of Libya against the will of Libyan people. If the idea of those camps gets implemented, the union should consider running those camps directly instead of paying the locals to do that.
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On September 06 2018 19:29 Sent. wrote:
I don't think the Austrian guy meant annexing a part of Libya against the will of Libyan people. If the idea of those camps gets implemented, the union should consider running those camps directly instead of paying the locals to do that.
You think wrong.
He stated that either they allow it, or the EU just has to take that land by military and police means. He implicitly mentioned to do this by force. ("[...]in Nordafrika einen Bereich _erzwingen_[...]")
And when asked about this being an hostile occupation, he further clarified, that this would only be a temporary occupation, so no problem, ez.
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On September 06 2018 19:29 Sent. wrote:
I don't think the Austrian guy meant annexing a part of Libya against the will of Libyan people. If the idea of those camps gets implemented, the union should consider running those camps directly instead of paying the locals to do that.
This would be somewhat reasonable which, considering the track record, makes it unlikely to be what he proposed. The sources I've found so far also suggests that he did indeed suggest a hostile takeover.
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Alright then that's clearly a bad idea.
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The EU doesn't really have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries.
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On September 06 2018 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The EU doesn't have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries.
Yes. So get going guys, Austria demands some action from you! (Sorry guys, we can't help, we are neutral)
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On September 06 2018 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The EU doesn't have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries.
The EU does not have a military, but EU military missions exist.
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On September 06 2018 20:06 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The EU doesn't have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries. Yes. So get going guys, Austria demands some action from you! (Sorry guys, we can't help, we are neutral)
Sad. I thought Austria had the most motivated people for that mission. And let the inventor of that brilliant idea lead the charge, so nobody can steal his fame.
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On September 06 2018 20:08 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 20:06 Big J wrote:On September 06 2018 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The EU doesn't have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries. Yes. So get going guys, Austria demands some action from you! (Sorry guys, we can't help, we are neutral) Sad. I thought Austria had the most motivated people for that mission. And let the inventor of that brilliant idea lead the charge, so nobody can steal his fame.
As a moderate right-winger I can only approve of that principle! To each their own.
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On September 06 2018 20:06 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 20:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The EU doesn't have a military anyways. Individual countries within the EU have militaries. Yes. So get going guys, Austria demands some action from you! (Sorry guys, we can't help, we are neutral)
JA KOMMANDANT 
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The government is finally fixing the gay refugee crisis. /s
After refugees have been denied asylum with the following arguments:
"You do not walk, behave or dress gay enough."
"You don't have a lot of friends, aren't gay people usually very social?"
and on the other hand:
"Too girly, not authentic!"
We have reached:
"You have a smartphone but no gay porn on it. Definitely not gay!"
On a similar issue, the justice minister has declared a solution to the constitutional courts order that denying gay people marriage and offering a weaker form, a legal partnership, was unconstitutional. The solution is to open both, marriage and partnership for gay and straight couples.
Far-right vice chancellor Strache wants to block that and wants to consult with the Catholic church on this issue. Seems like the far-right isn't that much about sovereignty at last, letting the fascist foreign power Vatican decide issues of the country.
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The US: Don’t work with the Vatican if you love your children. Like for serious, it hasn’t worked out for us yet.
You folks seem like you are doing great over there. Not homophobic at all, no problems to be seen.
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Wait the Vatican is a fascist foreign power? How many divisions does the pope command?
Appealing to religious leaders for guidance on an issue by a party claiming religious values doesn't sound that out of place to me. is Europe really this hesitant to have anything to do with the church after the scandals?
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On September 08 2018 04:17 Sermokala wrote:
Wait the Vatican is a fascist foreign power? How many divisions does the pope command?
Appealing to religious leaders for guidance on an issue by a party claiming religious values doesn't sound that out of place to me. is Europe really this hesitant to have anything to do with the church after the scandals?
Big J is overreacting. The problem is clearly not with the poor, but in the craven Austrian politicians who want to make a wildly unpopular law (or at least, overturn a popular Court's decision) and are looking for a willing scapegoat. The pope is ideal in this regard.
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Don't mind me. I just hate religions and anti-democratic governments, which the pope is. Most of all I hate religious people that hate other religious people.
I think the thought that in every war the conservatives are the first to die on the front line, due to their fanatic believes, mutually killing each other, is the only thing I actually look forward to from conservative governments.
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I mean the vatican is about as democratic as the US with the cardinals being the electors.
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On September 08 2018 04:17 Sermokala wrote:
Wait the Vatican is a fascist foreign power? How many divisions does the pope command?
Appealing to religious leaders for guidance on an issue by a party claiming religious values doesn't sound that out of place to me. is Europe really this hesitant to have anything to do with the church after the scandals?
The EU nations have a different relationship to the Vatican than the US does. To the US, its that funny part of Europe where then old man in the hat lives and that protects child abusers. We lack the couple centuries of political interference. The Vatican was on a centuries long campaign to make secular governments seem like the greatest idea ever, though they didn't know it.
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