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On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry.  But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job.
Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk.
Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons.
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On October 02 2013 03:05 heartlxp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. the unfortunate result of a sweeping change is that some will lose while others gain. maybe you can be more altruistic than your employers and feel better for the poor people who now has better access to medical care
It's not altruism if he's forced to do it. It's theft. Just because Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor doesn't mean he didn't steal.
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On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:
It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer.
May i ask how health care can lead to a collapse? And what is "single-payer"? :/
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On October 02 2013 03:05 heartlxp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. the unfortunate result of a sweeping change is that some will lose while others gain. maybe you can be more altruistic than your employers and feel better for the poor people who now has better access to medical care
I fail to see how making insurance premiums more expensive than the fine that will be levied against people who don't get insurance will help poor people who can't afford either...
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On October 02 2013 03:08 greenelve wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:
It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. May i ask how health care can lead to a collapse? And what is "single-payer"? :/
A system in which the government "insures" everybody, basically. That said, the law was not designed to get the healthcare industry to collapse. That's some conspiracy theory bullshit that you can expect sc2superfan to believe.
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On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons.
Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people.
"Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it."
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On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it."
Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy. Your employer cut your hours, boohoo, when this happens to poor, black, or minority voters, y'all tip your chin to the sky and say, "You need to work harder."
Sorry, sc2superfan, you need a better job, and your employers lack of altruism is no one's fault but your own.
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On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:49 Livelovedie wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. Isn't the republican solution to stop whining and get a better job then? I am looking for a better job, but the fact is that with little education and not a lot of work experience, getting a "better" job is hard. Obviously I don't blame anyone but myself for that, but that doesn't mean someone like me, who is technically below the poverty line, should have my hours cut. Just because I didn't make the best choices in my youth shouldn't give Obama the right to destroy my life.
wouldnt your life be utterly destroyed as well if you gett into an accident or some life threathening disease?
The way you describe your situation it seems like universal healthcare is especially good for you.
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Hmm well nvm, this is to difficult to follow for me.
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On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it."
Your cool message about how a person can turn their life around is laughable in a discussion about society.... Come on. And in case you forgot to read the other part of what I said, even if you quit your shit mcdonalds job to do something with your life, someone else will pick up your shit job.
Shit jobs are there to stay. It's a problem of its own that "being a selfish asshole" doesn't fix in general.
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On October 02 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:
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That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy.
So wait, who exactly is Obamacare aimed at helping then? If people who have shitty jobs are getting their hours cut over it, they are worse off. People with good jobs already either get insurance through their employer or can afford their own if they want it.
Who does it help?
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On October 02 2013 03:15 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. On October 02 2013 02:49 Livelovedie wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:Even we wouldn't be so dumb, not even Italy. That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. Isn't the republican solution to stop whining and get a better job then? I am looking for a better job, but the fact is that with little education and not a lot of work experience, getting a "better" job is hard. Obviously I don't blame anyone but myself for that, but that doesn't mean someone like me, who is technically below the poverty line, should have my hours cut. Just because I didn't make the best choices in my youth shouldn't give Obama the right to destroy my life. wouldnt your life be utterly destroyed as well if you gett into an accident or some life threathening disease? The way you describe your situation it seems like universal healthcare is especially good for you.
No, my life wouldn't be destroyed. My life would become very, very difficult for a long-long time, but I could manage.
Obamacare is not universal health-care.
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On October 02 2013 03:15 Rassy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:
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That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." But but.. "get a better job" was something you said yourself? + Show Spoiler +sc2superfan101 October 02 2013 03:07. Posts 3501
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Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here.
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Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job.
That was in response to someone telling me to get a better job. I was turning the question around on them.
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Yes i see now, sry
Admire your spirit btw, though i dont agree with your opinnion.
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On October 02 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:On October 02 2013 02:35 Mercy13 wrote:
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That's the meanest thing I've ever heard anyone say about America : ( Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy. Your employer cut your hours, boohoo, when this happens to poor, black, or minority voters, y'all tip your chin to the sky and say, "You need to work harder." Sorry, sc2superfan, you need a better job, and your employers lack of altruism is no one's fault but your own.
His story does matter, I think you are forgetting that every individual is important, besides you cannot seriously believe that he is the only person in this situations, there are many many people in his exact same situation and trying to just push his story to the side as non-important is a poor way to look at this.
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On October 02 2013 03:16 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:[quote] Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy. So wait, who exactly is Obamacare aimed at helping then? If people who have shitty jobs are getting their hours cut over it, they are worse off. People with good jobs already either get insurance through their employer or can afford their own if they want it. Who does it help?
Businesses may be grumpy at first but they will eventually adjust and accept the changes. At least in my personal opinion, also as I've mentioned before, better healthcare= better economy in the long run.
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On October 02 2013 03:21 Anesthetic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:16 Millitron wrote:On October 02 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay?
Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason.
BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy. So wait, who exactly is Obamacare aimed at helping then? If people who have shitty jobs are getting their hours cut over it, they are worse off. People with good jobs already either get insurance through their employer or can afford their own if they want it. Who does it help? Businesses may be grumpy at first but they will eventually adjust and accept the changes. At least in my personal opinion, also as I've mentioned before, better healthcare= better economy in the long run.
That doesn't answer my question. What group of people does it help?
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On October 02 2013 03:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 21:11 electronic voyeur wrote:http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20758038-shutdown-begins-as-congress-remains-deadlocked?liteThe US Federal government has officially shut down.For the first time in nearly two decades, the federal government staggered into a partial shutdown Monday at midnight after congressional Republicans stubbornly demanded changes in the nation's health care law as the price for essential federal funding and President Barack Obama and Democrats adamantly refused. As Congress gridlocked, Obama said a "shutdown will have a very real economic impact on real people, right away," with hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed and veterans' centers, national parks, most of the space agency and other government operations shuttered. He laid the blame at the feet of House Republicans, whom he accused of seeking to tie government funding to ideological demands, "all to save face after making some impossible promises to the extreme right wing of their party.”
The shutdown is expected to place tens of thousands of federal workers on furlough, close national parks and monuments, and disrupt services like food assistance and IRS audits.
Services like benefit payments and national security operations would go on as usual, and -- because of a bipartisan measure passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law by the president late Monday -- members of the military will continue to be paid.
The new health care insurance "exchanges" mandated by the new health care law also went live even as the shutdown became official.
The full force of the shutdown has yet to be measured, and its effects have yet to be fully felt. Yet it is certain that the shutdown will have devastating short term and long term effects on all sectors of the US government. Do you think Obamacare should be revised? Should Congress have compromised? What could the government have done to prevent such a devastating event? Hey look, two quotes about the Democratic President pointing fingers, and zero from the Republicans. Let me help out on the overall stream of giving token respect to the other side! Show nested quote +
Boehner at a Republican Meeting
"If you really want to fight, you've got to put everything on the table."
Boehner House Floor
"I would say to the president, this is not about me," Mr. Boehner said. "It's not about Republicans. It's about fairness to the American people."
Boehner's Press Office
“Rejecting the House-passed effort to go to conference, Senate Democrats today slammed the door on re-opening the federal government by refusing to talk. This morning, Senate Democrats rejected regular order, rejected common-sense efforts to re-open the government, and rejected fairness for all Americans under the President’s health care law. House Republicans will continue our efforts to keep the government running. We hope that Senate Democrats – and President Obama – change course and start working with us on behalf of the American people.”
I could find others as well, this is just samplingI never thought Boehner would be in it for the fight. He's gone far beyond when I thought he would stop. I applaud him for the move to threaten the government shutdown, which the Democrats called. His followup compromise to a delay in individual mandate and repeal of the medical device tax I'm still dubious on. If you're going to shut down the government over it, start from the position of strength and wait until the Democrats come to the table on compromise (they haven't). Republicans stand tough on this, they keep the House and might pick up seats in Senate (I forget which vulnerable ones are up for grabs this coming round). Boehner continues in this aggressive vein and he stands to gain some conservative support. It's coming just as the base sees their plans going up or disappearing, and hearing the stories from friends and relatives. Time to remember just how much is deemed a critical service and not subject to the shutdown!
lol @ you thinking this is good for your party. There's a reason even the party strategists including Rove are against this tactic, there's a reason party leadership including Boehner were against it before they were for it, and there's a reason all polling shows the public blames the republicans more. You really think the letter Boehner received from tea party members prompted him to change his mind for the strategic reasoning you state above? Before that letter, which had little to do with your strategic reasoning, Boehner was against this tactic.
Staging a policy fight over a routine must-pass funding measure is folly plain and simple. Do you think that in principle, a party should be able to force compromise on any policy they choose by bringing government to a shutdown?
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On October 02 2013 03:12 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:08 greenelve wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:
It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. May i ask how health care can lead to a collapse? And what is "single-payer"? :/ A system in which the government "insures" everybody, basically. That said, the law was not designed to get the healthcare industry to collapse. That's some conspiracy theory bullshit that you can expect sc2superfan to believe.
Well...health care isnt anything else than a big pot where everyone is paying into and if someone gets sick and needs money, he can take something out of the pot. Its the same like unemployment benefit (which should exist in USA...afair...). Do people really turn this into conspiracy? 
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On October 02 2013 03:18 Anesthetic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 03:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:08 Djzapz wrote:On October 02 2013 03:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 farvacola wrote:On October 02 2013 02:55 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:53 Anesthetic wrote:On October 02 2013 02:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:
People who's hours are being cut because of Obamacare, that is unfortunate, but it is going to happen regardless of whether or not the government is shut down, because the law is already funded and still in effect even during the shutdown.
All the Republican congressmen are doing is hurting the country for no reason. They are throwing a childish temper tantrum. They need to stop. Okay, well since Obama gave delays to all his friends and to Big Business why can't he give me a delay? Republicans are fighting to stop the bullshit law from taking effect. They are not shutting down the government for no reason. BTW, the Republicans passed 3-4 bills that would fund the government. May I ask why exactly you are so against Obamacare? The main reason? It's a law designed to fail. It was designed to lead to a collapse in the health-care industry so Democrats could use that collapse as ammo to get what they really want: single-payer. You want to talk about tanking the economy in order to get your goals? Well, what happens when you intentionally collapse 1/6th the economy? On October 02 2013 02:54 s3rp wrote:On October 02 2013 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 02 2013 02:39 unkkz wrote:
How is the American public not going crazy over this though? The chairman is pretty much holding an entire country hostage with the threat of extreme financial damage. My hours won't be cut because of a government shutdown. My hours will be cut because of Obamacare. Gotta say, I prefer the shutdown. Pretty simple. On October 02 2013 02:39 Caladan wrote:[quote] Sorry. But seriously, you guys need to write your representatives, you need to act and remind them for whom they are working! Your politicians clearly lost their mind and need some reminder... On October 02 2013 02:42 mcc wrote:
US system is just purely nonsensical. If some group in the government has ability to shutdown the functioning of the government that should imply that they have some kind of majority popular support and then it should be them running the government, not the other side. If they do not have majority support they should not be able to shutdown government. The schizophrenical design of US political system is easily the cause of this problem. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/359992/powers-separated-purpose-charles-c-w-cookeYou edit: both should read this. It will clear some things up about the way our Republic is supposed to work. No they will be cut because your employers are assholes that don't want to pay for employee healthcare. My employers aren't running a charity. They are running a goddamn business. I don't blame them for a second for running a cost/benefit analysis and coming to the conclusion that cutting my hours is less expensive. Get a better job then, it's only your inability to find a job that pays for better insurance that's at fault here. Or the people who can't afford health insurance can get a better job. Sure and then somebody else will get the vacant job and they won't be able to afford health insurance and they'll be at a higher risk. Also not everybody can get a better job for a bunch of reasons. Bingo. I made shitty choices in my youth. I didn't go to school and I wasn't always the best worker. So I eventually took my future in my own hands and moved to North Dakota from California with nothing. I managed to get a job and am finally putting my life in order and now I have to deal with this crap? And then I get Democrats and liberals telling me to just go find a better job? Yeah, that's really gonna help foster that entrepreneurial spirit in our people. "Hey we're gonna put a bunch of roadblocks in your way when you try to improve yourself. Oh, but don't complain because you should just find someway to get over those roadblocks. How you ask? We don't give a shit. Just do it." Not everyone can, wants to, or should be like you, and your personal story means very little when it comes to national policy. Your employer cut your hours, boohoo, when this happens to poor, black, or minority voters, y'all tip your chin to the sky and say, "You need to work harder." Sorry, sc2superfan, you need a better job, and your employers lack of altruism is no one's fault but your own. His story does matter, I think you are forgetting that every individual is important, besides you cannot seriously believe that he is the only person in this situations, there are many many people in his exact same situation and trying to just push his story to the side as non-important is a poor way to look at this.
But cant those individuals just work harder to get moer education and a better job? ;P therefore theres no one to blame but themselves? Its not my fault he wasnt born rich and made poor decisions
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