EPTYeah I'm also happy to hear that. It hits home when I hear about people not getting paid or getting layed off or whatever because of stupid shit. I get very concerned for their families.
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
Yeah I'm also happy to hear that. It hits home when I hear about people not getting paid or getting layed off or whatever because of stupid shit. I get very concerned for their families. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:14 riyanme wrote: thanks... im not american so i dont get the real issue here... like as he said, why would anyone not want a health care? as a foreinger who doesn't know the obama care... what are the cons? Because the US is built on the principles of Republic which empowers the rights of each individual. This is more than why anyone would not want a free cookie (but is it really free?) | ||
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jeremysaint
Canada80 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:35 jeremysaint wrote: I notice that the only support for republicans is from people in the usa. Foreigners support democrats or are (rarely) indifferent. Coincidentally im sure, foreigners are also overwhelmingly better informed on usa politics than americans. Not sure if sarcastic or not. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
I think its something else that begins with the letter S. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8693 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:28 jellyjello wrote: I've seen how the universal healthcare works - my wife has been on it, and after all those years of mistreatment I simply cannot trust it anymore. This sounds like a cliche to some, but living in overseas for so many years made me realize all the little things we've always bitched about were actually awesome compared to what I have now. Sorry to hear that, which universal healthcare system have you used if you don't mind me asking? I bet there are quite big differences when comparing I dunno, the British NHS with the French, or Austrian system. Point is, there is not "the universal healthcare system" - it's policitians who put it in place with the will of the people, and different countries have different sets of resources available. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:28 Mercy13 wrote: The main criticisms with merit that I have heard are: 1. The government cannot afford the subsidies that will be required for poor people to buy insurance on the exchanges. 2. The medical device tax (intended to help pay for those subsidies, along with other costs of the ACA) will hurt manufacturers and cause the US to lose jobs overseas. 3. The ACA requires small business owners with over a certain number of employees to provide health insurance for those employees. This may cost small businesses a lot, and they will hire fewer people as a result. Personally, I think these concerns are valid, and the ACA should be amended to address them. However, causing a shut down and threatening a default are tactics that are reckless and immoral, so I'm with the Dems on this one. On point #2 a few senate democrats have said they were willing to negotiate on that, if it were not for the fact that the house decided to use a government shutdown as leverage. Sets a bad precedent and all. edit - Also, the ACA isn't even close to universal health care. | ||
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dwoobydoo
49 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:35 jeremysaint wrote: I notice that the only support for republicans is from people in the usa. Foreigners support democrats or are (rarely) indifferent. Coincidentally im sure, foreigners are also overwhelmingly better informed on usa politics than americans. Foreigners are spoonfed anti-republican propaganda every day. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:42 Nevuk wrote: On point #2 a few senate democrats have said they were willing to negotiate on that, if it were not for the fact that the house decided to use a government shutdown as leverage. Sets a bad precedent and all. edit - Also, the ACA isn't even close to universal health care. Bad precidence? Congress has been doing this stuff for decades. It's an established tactic. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22064 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:42 dwoobydoo wrote: Foreigners are spoonfed anti-republican propaganda every day. Dont forget we ritually burn an American flag every 24 hours to appease the communist gods. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:42 dwoobydoo wrote: Foreigners are spoonfed anti-republican propaganda every day. Also known as facts. Reality has a liberal bias. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8693 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:42 dwoobydoo wrote: Foreigners are spoonfed anti-republican propaganda every day. Right on brother, the truth shall set us free! | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:42 dwoobydoo wrote: Foreigners are spoonfed anti-republican propaganda every day. Anything more left leaning/fact based than fox news is clearly propaganda | ||
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:35 jeremysaint wrote: I notice that the only support for republicans is from people in the usa. Foreigners support democrats or are (rarely) indifferent. Coincidentally im sure, foreigners are also overwhelmingly better informed on usa politics than americans. Disagree on the better informed part. Many of the America bashers in Europe have preciously little clue what they talk about. Describing all Germans as Schnitzel-eating yodelling Nazis would betray a quite similar depth of knowledge. As an excuse, many just regurgitate what the media indoctrinates them with. RTL, the biggest private TV channel in Germany, during the Iraq war showed photographs showing him in civil attire when talking about Hussein and showed either Rambo or Lucky Luke mockups with Bush's head attached when talking about Bush. No kidding. | ||
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GhastlyUprising
198 Posts
Anyone who's tempted to blame both political parties, rather than just the Tea-Party-influenced Republicans, should read this: http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-imminent-how-he-said-she-said-reporting-helped-bring-us-to-the-brink/ | ||
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LittleRedBoy
United States229 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:51 GhastlyUprising wrote: Seems to me that the Republican Party has gone bonkers. Anyone who's tempted to blame both political parties, rather than just the Tea-Party-influenced Republicans, should read this: http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-imminent-how-he-said-she-said-reporting-helped-bring-us-to-the-brink/ They've all gone bonkers. Congress has been messing things up for years and the chickens are now coming home to roost. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:44 MstrJinbo wrote: Bad precidence? Congress has been doing this stuff for decades. It's an established tactic. It's true that this is the 18th government shutdown, but the majority of the previous ones were resolved within a day or two and bore no resemblance to this issue (and were in the 70s..). If you want to use Gingrich as an example of a precedent then um. Not much to say there. The debt ceiling might be what you're thinking of (that is an established tactic). The CR has enough votes to pass in the house (the bill the senate wants passed), Boehner is refusing to bring it to the floor for a vote because of the Hastert Rule, the one that states that the majority of the majority party must support the bill in order to hold a vote (ostensibly that's the reason, he's broken the rule in the past). I really don't see why he is doing this outside of some bizarre desperate gamble to avoid being primaried, retain the speaker position, or just sabotage the tea party members of his party. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:49 Scarecrow wrote: Anything more left leaning/fact based than fox news is clearly propaganda Probably because the rest of the world are way way more left in their opinions in general then republicans, hence it is not propaganda but rather everyone else's opinion. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8693 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:56 unkkz wrote: Probably because the rest of the world are way way more left in their opinions in general then republicans, hence it is not propaganda but rather everyone else's opinion. Or republicans more to the right and the rest in the center... matter of perspective I guess. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:55 Nevuk wrote: It's true that this is the 18th government shutdown, but the majority of the previous ones were resolved within a day or two and bore no resemblance to this issue (and were in the 70s..). If you want to use Gingrich as an example of a precedent then um. Not much to say there. The debt ceiling might be what you're thinking of (that is an established tactic). The CR has enough votes to pass in the house (the bill the senate wants passed), Boehner is refusing to bring it to the floor for a vote because of the Hastert Rule, the one that states that the majority of the majority party must support the bill in order to hold a vote (ostensibly that's the reason, he's broken the rule in the past). I really don't see why he is doing this outside of some bizarre desperate gamble to avoid being primaried, retain the speaker position, or just sabotage the tea party members of his party. Here is some reading material on past govt shutdowns http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/09/30/history-government-shutdowns/JCbyamnf0ifg6DSCpEsTkK/story.html it's a really common tactic used by both sides. | ||
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