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cenk_unger
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cenk_unger
49 Posts
On October 16 2013 19:05 HunterX11 wrote: The point is not that you can gerrymander an "extreme" district so much as a partisan one in general. The reason this benefits extremists when it comes to the Republicans is that moderate Republicans are safe from being unseated by Democrats in these solid red districts, but are still vulnerable to primary challenges from Tea Party types. Normally the GOP would discourage such challenges precisely because a moderate Democrat would pose too much of a threat, but again, in cases where there is no viable Democratic threat to keep the far right in line, the race becomes one of moderate vs. far right Republicans. Of course, this still leaves the GOP as a whole in a bit of a mess, as I'm sure Boehner is all too aware every waking moment of his life. Hahaha, I hope Boehner cries himself to sleep and can't sleep due to the stress of catering to tea party republicans, LMAO | ||
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cenk_unger
49 Posts
On October 16 2013 19:05 Agathon wrote: Nobody will go that far. The world won't let USA default and USA has many ways to reduce its debt (low taxes, huge spending on non essential things like US army). The world economy can't survive if USA defaults, that's why everybody will pressure US government to pay back its debts. I can't imagine any country (even north korea who survive with US food aid) who will let this giant economy fall. Not a chance. Trade and support with US will continue because the world have no alternative, except suicide. You can completely erase the budget deficit by removing ALL tax breaks for the rich while increasing their tax rates only 20% beyond current law. (as simple as raising 40% to 60% or something like that according to huffpost or dailybeast article last week, can't remember which) | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On October 16 2013 09:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Me? I'll be happy if the government opens and the debt ceiling gets raised. I'm easy, I'm a moderate. It's the derp herding partisans in congress you need to worry about and do mental gymnastics to understand. If being "happy if the government opens and the debt ceiling gets raised" makes someone a moderate, there are less than ten extremists in Congress. | ||
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cenk_unger
49 Posts
On October 02 2013 23:45 Velr wrote: In the US maybe.. Outside of it? I highly doubt it... Your whole country allready is the laughing stock of the people in countries with functioning political systems... If not for the fact that you could actually pull the world economy down with you thats all there is, people over here in europe are dazzled by the sheer stupidity and childish behaviour of your politicians and general stupidity of the political "game" in your country... Oh and for the blame game... That answer is incredibly easy, it will be the "USA"... not Dems or Reps, not politicians or the president.. Just ALL of you guys. You are on the way of sinking the world economy and instead of starting to swim your still playing an incredibly silly blamegame... But if in fact Obama is WINNING the blame game, then this is good for usa (but just sucks for the rest of the world, obv) | ||
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cenk_unger
49 Posts
On October 16 2013 20:34 cenk_unger wrote: But if in fact Obama is WINNING the blame game, then this is good for usa (but just sucks for the rest of the world, obv) If Obama makes America hate republicans, he will win back the house in 2014. That's why I hope Obama tricks boehner into breaking the back of the tea party. The republican's internal civil war will win the house for the democrats. That's why I hope this drama makes front page news of every headline in the world. The great Obama PWNS the republicans, the better it is for our country. We don't care what Europe thinks. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
First off, voters have the attention span of a retarded goldfish. Voters primarily respond to events that happen just before elections. And even that is a distant second to the fundamentals of the economy (unemployment, GDP growth, etc). Large events can register in voter memory, but the impact is lessened the further back they go. Secondly, redistricting made a lot of safe Republican seats. It's unclear if the impact will be enough to gain a majority in the House, even if the Democrats increase their majority vote margin. Nate Silver has a more accurate analysis than mine: http://www.grantland.com/fivethirtyeight/story/_/id/9802433/nate-silver-us-government-shutdown It's clear that Obama and the Democratic Party in general has a significant advantage over the Republican Party (especially since House Republicans are in the middle of a civil war). It's probable that some Republicans will lose seats over this affair, assuming nothing else of importance happens. But it's unclear if it will generate enough votes next year to win the House. | ||
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Ohyra
Sweden59 Posts
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Ohyra
Sweden59 Posts
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cenk_unger
49 Posts
On October 16 2013 20:55 Ohyra wrote: What is this even? I do not live in the united states, and i do not wish to enrage anyone who does but i have to say that this is THE single most childish thing i have ever witnessed grown human beings do. Do these people even realize what the consequences of their sandboxaged-behaviour are? THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER BECAUSE OF THIS. Jesus fucking christ.. i mean the US -has always been able to keep a straight face. But this?! I can tell you now, that the ENTIRE world is laughing both their asses and balls off over the fact that something this fucking childish can be going on at the top level of american politics. So thank you RepublicanZ^ for making me loose both ass and ballsack. Most of the time i feel that it was worth it though, because i will probably never, ever, for the rest of my life witness such a childish and outright fucking stupid political move. Agreed, the republicans are making such an embarrassment of themselves to the rest of the world. Obama is winning the political battle & the public relations battle. The republicans are not even going to be successful in attaching a delay of ANY of the provisions of Obamacare which they were salivating for (delay 1yr indiv mandate, delay medical device tax, remove generous subsidies for congressional staffers to buy their own obamacare, etc..) I'm glad that this idiotic strategy by the republicans is backfiring so terribly on their own party and causing themselves worldwide embarrassment while accomplishing nothing. I don't know how they get a single vote from ANYONE who has an IQ of 110 or better. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Thoughts on this video? Sad part is, I bet people go into politics with an honest heart, but when the money starts flashing, things get sour. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8573 Posts
On October 16 2013 21:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BHujm3cpY Thoughts on this video? Sad part is, I bet people go into politics with an honest heart, but when the money starts flashing, things get sour. I like this guy. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1599 Posts
On October 16 2013 21:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3BHujm3cpY Thoughts on this video? Sad part is, I bet people go into politics with an honest heart, but when the money starts flashing, things get sour. I like his rant about our congress, but his solution wont affect much. Sure, fixing banking would be good, but banks aren't the biggest issue, and more small businesses would mean more jobs, but jobs aren't the only thing the US needs. This health care bill is actually a pretty good idea, but it isn't a fix for the US being truly fucked. Debt - Too much. Govt looking to increase that amount. Govt not looking to reduce spending or pay off that debt. Govt Waste - Too much. See Wikipedia article on DC welcome center. Zero responsibility for govt waste because it is too big. Bad oversight on government programs - Too many people get free rides from food stamps and unemployment/disability. System needs a complete revamp maybe even back to the days of the CCC where you had to actually work to collect a check unless someone is truly unable to work they shouldn't be receiving money. Too much money is given to the federal government - They money given to the federal government is used however they want to use it. There isn't a check or balance except by other corrupt congressmen. If things were kept local for each state if there was an issue the people might actually be heard, but now if we disagree with federal spending the current citizen cannot do much about it. Minimum wage - Price of gum 10 years ago 40 cents. Price of gum now 1.25. Minimum wage has not been increased in my state since before I can remember buying a pack of gum. Family structure - Typical families are broken. Parents work every day of the week. There isn't time leftover to really take care of a family. Unions are bad/good - In some cases unions protect the workers, but in many cases the unions are so powerful that a business cannot excel because of them. We have teachers being paid to not teach because the school systems cannot fire them. We have car line workers who get paid 70 dollars an hour (my cousin) to simply put a bumper on a car over and over. His perks are beyond excellent (that is a good thing though), but his pay makes cars affordable when compared to foreign cars which are typically better built and cheaper. Schools - At this point my old school has twice the amount of students about about 70% of the previous staff. This is just a limited list of what is fucking the US. Riding ourselves of a corrupt congress and increasing jobs by increasing the amount of loans to small businesses won't fix the US. A new corrupt congress would take over shortly after we rid ourselves of the old one. There would be more minimum wage jobs available, but it wouldn't fix everything else. This health care bill would be great, but this wouldn't even be necessary if everything else was working properly. If people had jobs that's pay reflected inflation they would have enough money to pay for their own health insurance. If our government didn't waste so much money our taxes would be lower, debt would be lower, and more money would be available for stuff our country really needs. In the end though obamacare will probably go through, but nothing is going to change at the core of our problems and we will be right back here next year. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On October 16 2013 18:16 OrchidThief wrote: Why does Gerrymandering still exist? I mean, why do these distric lines need to be redrawn regularly? Seems completely bonkers to me. Populations move and the US system is direct representation by district. Gerrymandering happens when the courts who review the proposals don't do their job. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:52 packrat386 wrote: Populations move and the US system is direct representation by district. Gerrymandering happens when the courts who review the proposals don't do their job. The problem exists as most state congresses still draw the lines on the map. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:20 NoobSkills wrote: I like his rant about our congress, but his solution wont affect much. Sure, fixing banking would be good, but banks aren't the biggest issue, and more small businesses would mean more jobs, but jobs aren't the only thing the US needs. This health care bill is actually a pretty good idea, but it isn't a fix for the US being truly fucked. Debt - Too much. Govt looking to increase that amount. Govt not looking to reduce spending or pay off that debt. Govt Waste - Too much. See Wikipedia article on DC welcome center. Zero responsibility for govt waste because it is too big. Waste isn't as big a deal as it might seem. It's not as if the government is putting money in a landfill. Everything they spend pays somebody's wages, which will in turn be spent on other things. A wasteful government isn't 'good', but it's not a direct drain on the economy either. I'd submit that it's more important/relevant for a government to be efficient in its use of manpower (people paid to do nothing other than administrate the process of spending) than in its use of money. Bad oversight on government programs - Too many people get free rides from food stamps and unemployment/disability. Typically those problems are overstated - certainly they are here in the UK. The undeserving poor are a popular whipping-boy for politicians, when in reality they account for only a fraction of a percent of government spending. To put it another way: there could be (and quite possibly are) more executives dodging millions in taxes than there are breadliners sneaking an extra few hundred by faking a bad back, and yet it's the latter who will get blamed for the economic ills of the country. | ||
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/with-u-s-nearing-default-republican-senator-says-deal-ready-to-reopen-government/ "WASHINGTON — — Senate leaders reached agreement Wednesday to avert a threatened Treasury default and reopen the government after a partial, 16-day shutdown, according to a Republican senator who also said the House might vote first on the plan to speed its approval. “I understand they’ve come to an agreement but I’m going to let the leader announce that,” Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said as she walked into a meeting of Senate Republicans called to review details of the emerging deal struck by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and GOP Leader Mitch McConnell." I also think it's pretty funny (in a morbid kind of way) that the House Republicans torpedoed their own ridiculously conservative proposal that had no chance anyways because it "wasn't conservative enough". I wonder if Cantor will even put the bill up to a vote... | ||
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Nick Drake
76 Posts
On October 16 2013 19:07 cenk_unger wrote: Too bad there aren't any tea baggers trying to defend their messiah Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, and Rand Paul. The tea party crowd only care about Rand Paul, because only Rand Paul actually believes the things he says. He's the only one not pandering. | ||
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