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Kipsate
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pmh
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On February 23 2016 05:09 KwarK wrote: We don't make "huge" payments to the EU. We pay a little over half what Germany does and less than fucking Italy, a country substantially poorer than us. We pay twice what the Netherlands does, a country with one quarter of our population. Per capita we pay less than pretty much any other first world nation in the EU. That's mostly an image issue. Immigration is a feature of the EU, not a problem. That's basically an in or out question, you can't have a common market without free movement of labour. Immigration is free movement of labour. Yup,and it is one of the main features people don't like about the eu. Its not the only one,there are more. The eu is there to turn Europe into a united stated of Europe that will favour corporations and very rich people and disfavor everyone else, similar to the usa. The immigration is done to put pressure on the lower wages,so that corporations have to spend less on wages. That's the main reason why despite the public not agreeing with it,the eu keeps pushing it. | ||
KwarK
United States44195 Posts
On April 21 2016 00:37 pmh wrote: Yup,and it is one of the main features people don't like about the eu. Its not the only one,there are more. The eu is there to turn Europe into a united stated of Europe that will favour corporations and very rich people and disfavor everyone else, similar to the usa. The immigration is done to put pressure on the lower wages,so that corporations have to spend less on wages. That's the main reason why despite the public not agreeing with it,the eu keeps pushing it. That's not how it works. Immigration (and emigration) are an intended part of the single market. You cannot have a single market with the free flow of goods and labour if there are restrictions on the movement of labourers. It is not some secret corporate plan to lower wages, it is a public plan to have a single market. You can be opposed to the single market if you like but it is wrong to examine the free movement of labour in isolation when it is just a small but necessary part of the single market. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
On April 21 2016 00:37 pmh wrote: Yup,and it is one of the main features people don't like about the eu. Its not the only one,there are more. The eu is there to turn Europe into a united stated of Europe that will favour corporations and very rich people and disfavor everyone else, similar to the usa. The immigration is done to put pressure on the lower wages,so that corporations have to spend less on wages. That's the main reason why despite the public not agreeing with it,the eu keeps pushing it. The EU is 'pushing it' because 'it' is the whole point of the EU. Is it a good way to run a society? Beats me. I personally think we should leave the EU, if anything just to shake things up a bit (stupid as that sounds) but I won't be voting simply because unbiased, solid information is impossible to find on this issue, and my conscience doesn't give a fuck. | ||
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KwarK
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On April 27 2016 09:20 KwarK wrote: Fuck Hunt. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
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Dangermousecatdog
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
On May 04 2016 05:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Some of the accusations of what counts as anti-semetism in the labour party is bizarre. Apparently criticism of Isreal now count as hatred towards jews. When since were the policies of any country counts and a majority cultural group within that country was the one and the same? Its a sensitive issue and Livingstone was a complete moron. Don't talk about Hitler supporting anything Jewish, its just political suicide and everyone knows it. It doesn't take very much to engage your brain before speaking live on a TV show, does it? The Labour MPs who jumped on the bandwagon (waiting for Livingstone with a TV camera to insult him for example) are way worse though. They will cheapen the whole idea of racism just to gain political points, its pathetic. These are the people dragging Labour down, not Corbyn (he's incompetent but it has also been made impossible for him to succeed by some in his own party). | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
This is Jeremy Hunt, our health secretary who has destroyed morale in the NHS and fast becoming the most hated politician in the UK. He's getting bollocked by the speaker for playing with his phone and laughing and joking instead of listening to the shadow health secretary, who is talking seriously about the junior doctors contract problem, which Hunt refused to discuss. The guy is a total fucking joke, and needs sacking. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 05 2016 04:24 Jockmcplop wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phxm-zpnxr4 This is Jeremy Hunt, our health secretary who has destroyed morale in the NHS and fast becoming the most hated politician in the UK. He's getting bollocked by the speaker for playing with his phone and laughing and joking instead of listening to the shadow health secretary, who is talking seriously about the junior doctors contract problem, which Hunt refused to discuss. The guy is a total fucking joke, and needs sacking. Well anything Labour says is a total irrelevance atm anyway, as for sacking him he would probably welcome it as he's all ready said he is retiring from front-line politics after his stint as health secretary. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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KwarK
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Jockmcplop
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They gave up on that after about 1 day, leading to a resignation from the cabinet. They said they were going to ban all psychoactive drugs. They had to renegotiate and delay because they worded the law so badly that anything could be interpreted as being psychoactive. They said they were giong to force all schools to become academies. They gave up on that after a month or so. They said they were not going to renegotiate the junior doctors' contract. They are now going to renegotiate the junior doctors' contract. Does anyone else think winning the general election so soundly has gone to their head a bit? They can't seem to do anything right and its basically just turning into a huge money-wasting exercise. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On May 09 2016 07:27 Jockmcplop wrote: So the government said in the budget they were going to massively cut disability benefits. They gave up on that after about 1 day, leading to a resignation from the cabinet. They said they were going to ban all psychoactive drugs. They had to renegotiate and delay because they worded the law so badly that anything could be interpreted as being psychoactive. They said they were giong to force all schools to become academies. They gave up on that after a month or so. They said they were not going to renegotiate the junior doctors' contract. They are now going to renegotiate the junior doctors' contract. Does anyone else think winning the general election so soundly has gone to their head a bit? They can't seem to do anything right and its basically just turning into a huge money-wasting exercise. I'm always curious why people say this. The Conservatives have an overall majority of 10, that's smaller than John Major had and it seems to have been accepted that he squeaked in, in fact it's the smallest majority that a single party has held since 1974 (not counting the previous con+lib-dem coalition of course). It's so small that should the 9 Conservative MPs who are being investigated by Police for election fraud -with 2 more likely to be announced end up in by-elections, they could conceivably not actually have a majority any more. I mean isn't the prime reason why they keep having to back track on all these announcements that the rebellions required to screw them in a vote are very manageable for small groups of Tory back benchers? It's a small point, but a curious one. Is there a reason I keep hearing people call their win sound instead of surprising? What am I missing? | ||
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KwarK
United States44195 Posts
On May 09 2016 08:55 Dapper_Cad wrote: I'm always curious why people say this. The Conservatives have an overall majority of 10, that's smaller than John Major had and it seems to have been accepted that he squeaked in, in fact it's the smallest majority that a single party has held since 1974 (not counting the previous con+lib-dem coalition of course). It's so small that should the 9 Conservative MPs who are being investigated by Police for election fraud -with 2 more likely to be announced end up in by-elections, they could conceivably not actually have a majority any more. I mean isn't the prime reason why they keep having to back track on all these announcements that the rebellions required to screw them in a vote are very manageable for small groups of Tory back benchers? It's a small point, but a curious one. Is there a reason I keep hearing people call their win sound instead of surprising? What am I missing? The SNP factor. With Scottish devolution and local autonomy the Conservatives have a huge majority in England. In the old days Labour's dominance of Scotland would mean that Scotland was well and truly within the two party system, either in government or in opposition but always in. The SNP and Scottish devolution has removed Scotland from both the political struggle and from relevance outside of Scotland. While they can still vote to overrule the government on closely contested English issues, as they threatened to do with fox hunting, the staggering hypocrisy of doing so keeps them from often making that threat. In practice the Conservative majority in matters that do not concern Scotland is considerable. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9950 Posts
London's decision to elect its first muslim mayor, in the current climate of fear and hatred towards muslims in Europe and elsewhere, has shown that multiculturalism is not dying as a concept, but thriving. Despite all the language you hear coming from center-right to right wing groups, the biggest city in the UK has spoken, and resoundingly too. It is a victory for sensible politics and democracy over the spreading of fear and resentment. Trump has been forced to say he would make an exception to his muslim ban for Khan, to which Khan replied that he doesn't want an exception and that he's confident that Trump won't win anyway. This after Khan accused (very correctly) his opponent Goldsmith of using 'Trump style campaigning'. This refers to the 'dead cat' campaign Goldsmith ran. Racially profiling communities and then targetting anti islamic ads them to spread division was the order of the day, and Londoners have basically told the tories that this type of thing might work in countries full of morons, but not in the UK. Good for them. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 11 2016 01:42 Jockmcplop wrote: So does anyone want to talk about Sadiq Khan?? London's decision to elect its first muslim mayor, in the current climate of fear and hatred towards muslims in Europe and elsewhere, has shown that multiculturalism is not dying as a concept, but thriving. Despite all the language you hear coming from center-right to right wing groups, the biggest city in the UK has spoken, and resoundingly too. It is a victory for sensible politics and democracy over the spreading of fear and resentment. Trump has been forced to say he would make an exception to his muslim ban for Khan, to which Khan replied that he doesn't want an exception and that he's confident that Trump won't win anyway. This after Khan accused (very correctly) his opponent Goldsmith of using 'Trump style campaigning'. This refers to the 'dead cat' campaign Goldsmith ran. Racially profiling communities and then targetting anti islamic ads them to spread division was the order of the day, and Londoners have basically told the tories that this type of thing might work in countries full of morons, but not in the UK. Good for them. If Sadiq Khan is secular muslim (I guess, I don't follow much), that's fine. The problem is when you have those muslims who prefer islam over law, democracy and integration. And you have plenty of the latter in the UK. I'm not British but I won't by hypocrite because of some stupid political correctness. | ||
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