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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
March 18 2016 21:30 GMT
#1541
The Quiet Man speaks up. Am strangely impressed, even if it's just political grandstanding. IDS surely can't have leadership aspirations, he was deposed once already.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 21:36:43
March 18 2016 21:33 GMT
#1542
On March 19 2016 06:30 KwarK wrote:
The Quiet Man speaks up. Am strangely impressed, even if it's just political grandstanding. IDS surely can't have leadership aspirations, he was deposed once already.


I'm sure the EU referendum and general dislike of Osborne is part of it, Osborne once called IDS stupid and Osborne is one of the leading figures saying we should stay in the EU, damaging him damages the remain cause. Believe it or not IDS also cares about those with little money and wants to do his best to help them.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 23:54:36
March 18 2016 23:45 GMT
#1543
This is pretty huge. I wonder if there's more to follow.

People will say its about the EU referendum, but IDS has been utterly humiliated in the last day or so having to publicly defend a policy that was forced on him and then Cameron and Osborne start talking it down, and Morgan talks about a U-turn.

Strange that after 6 years of forcing the terminally ill to work, blatantly making life impossible for the disabled and mentally ill, and generally doing horrible shit he decides this is the final straw.

I'm also wondering if there isn't a politician in Labour or the Conservatives that isn't a total fucking amateur because the lot 'em look like a bunch of incompetent idiots right now.


Cameron's reply:
Dear Iain,

Thank you for your letter this evening.

We are all very proud of the welfare reforms which this government has delivered over the last six years, and in which you have played an important part.

As a government, we have done a huge amount to get people into work, reduce unemployment and promote social justice. There are now more people in work than ever before in our country’s history, with 2.4 million more jobs created since 2010.

I regret that you have chosen to step down from the government at this moment. Together we designed the personal independence payment to support the most vulnerable and to give disabled people more independence.

We all agreed that the increased resources being spent on disabled people should be properly managed and focused on those who need it most.

That is why we collectively agreed – you, No 10 and the Treasury – proposals which you and your Department then announced a week ago. Today we agreed not to proceed with the policies in their current form and instead to work together to get these policies right over the coming months.

In the light of this, I am puzzled and disappointed that you have chosen to resign.

You leave the government with my thanks and best wishes. While we are on different sides in the vital debate about the future of Britain’s relations with Europe, the government will, of course, continue with its policy of welfare reform, matched by our commitment to social justice, to improving the life chances of the most disadvantaged people in our country, and to ensuring that those who most need help and protection continue to receive it.

Yours, David
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 29 2016 03:24 GMT
#1544
Argentina’s government is celebrating a decision by a UN commission to expand its maritime territory in the South Atlantic Ocean by 35% to include the disputed Falkland islands and beyond.

The Argentine foreign ministry said its waters had increased by 1.7 million square km (0.66 million square miles) and the decision will be key in its dispute with Britain over the islands. Argentina lost a brief, bloody 1982 war with Britain after Argentinian troops seized the South Atlantic archipelago that Latin Americans call the Malvinas.

The UN commission on the limits of the continental shelf sided with Argentina, ratifying the country’s 2009 report fixing the limit of its territory at 200 to 350 miles from its coast.

“This is a historic occasion for Argentina because we’ve made a huge leap in the demarcation of the exterior limit of our continental shelf,” foreign minister Susana Malcorra said. “This reaffirms our sovereignty rights over the resources of our continental shelf.”

Oil exploration is already pumping millions of dollars into the Falkland Islands economy. Many islanders remain concerned about Argentina’s claim as well as the potential for problems from rapid change brought by the new industry.

The UN commission’s finding included the caveat that there is an unresolved diplomatic dispute between Argentina and Britain over the islands.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2016 02:08 GMT
#1545
David Cameron intervened personally to prevent offshore trusts from being dragged into an EU-wide crackdown on tax avoidance, it has emerged.

In a 2013 letter to the then president of the European council, Herman Van Rompuy, the prime minister said that trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency requirements as companies.

The EU planned to shine a light on the dealings of offshore bodies by publishing a central register of their ultimate owners but, in a letter unearthed by the Financial Times that remains publicly available on the government’s website, Cameron said: “It is clearly important we recognise the important differences between companies and trusts … This means that the solution for addressing the potential misuse of companies – such as central public registries – may well not be appropriate generally.”

The prime minister’s personal involvement in the EU-wide debate emerged as he continued to face questions about his family’s connections to Blairmore Holdings Inc, the offshore trust set up by his late father, the existence of which was revealed in leaked papers from the database of Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca.

The prime minister’s spokeswoman said that Downing Street had responded to allegations about Ian Cameron in the past.

When asked earlier if there was still any family money invested in the fund, a Downing Street spokeswoman had said: “That is a private matter.” But subsequently No 10 has issued a series of clarificatory statements.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
April 07 2016 22:02 GMT
#1546
The Cameron thing is a colossal non story, except that somehow a PM has no PR experience at all. He had 30k of shares in a Panama based trust, given to him by his father. While shell companies can be used to play financial games this one just traded and gave out dividends with the profits which were declared and taxed at the time. Then, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, he sold his shares before becoming PM.

However rather than say all of that he declared it a personal matter. And so everyone went crazy trying to find out what was being kept from them.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
April 08 2016 04:44 GMT
#1547
People probably think its just the tip of the iceberg.


This summer is your change to vote,dont ruin it.
I have witnessed Europe before the euro,during the introduction of the euro and everything that followed.
For a long time I have been a strong advocate of the eu, till I as many others have become completely desilusioned.
Upon the introduction of the euro the country I live in lost about 50% of its wealth and it has been only going down hill ever since. Pensions are cut,social security is cut,we have terror attacks in our citys committed by people who live here. Lobbyism is increasing and democracy is evaporating,the middle class is slowly being whipped out just like in the states.
Trust me, you will regret it if you continue with the eu. England is a paradise,one of the last ones standing.

Don't let the politicians and corporations scare you into thinking it is the only way, it is not.
London is the financial centre of Europe and that wont change, the companys wont leave because London is where things happen.
Worst case you can make yourself a tax haven for foreign companys,easy to do when you no longer bound by eu regulation.

Don't ruin this 1 time change,once the decision is made there wont be a way back.
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
April 08 2016 05:53 GMT
#1548
On April 08 2016 07:02 KwarK wrote:
The Cameron thing is a colossal non story, except that somehow a PM has no PR experience at all.


Technically, he does have PR experience. Before his political career, his friend got him a job in corporate affairs at ITV. Whether that was based on merit or not is another question but he certainly must have acquired some PR skills in the 4-5 years he worked there.

On April 08 2016 07:02 KwarK wrote:
He had 30k of shares in a Panama based trust, given to him by his father. While shell companies can be used to play financial games this one just traded and gave out dividends with the profits which were declared and taxed at the time. Then, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, he sold his shares before becoming PM.


The shares were not given to him by his father. He actually bought 12k worth of shares in the offshore fund investment fund back in 1997 and then sold them in January 2010 for 30k.

It then took him several statements throughout the week to finally admit he once had an investment in that fund.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 09 2016 02:03 GMT
#1549
David Cameron was in Washington rubbing shoulders with world leaders, sun-tanned and relaxed after a holiday in Lanzarote, when an email revealing what the Guardian knew about his father’s tax affairs dropped on Conservative HQ.

From that moment, the prime minister would have known there was a serious risk of people finding out about the £30,000 of shares he previously owned in Ian Cameron’s offshore investment fund.

It would look terrible to a public already outraged about tax avoidance that a wealthy young Cameron had chosen to buy shares in Blairmore, the fund based in Panama and the Bahamas that never paid a penny of tax in Britain.

This was the point at which Cameron should have made a clean breast of the facts, Labour and some of his own Conservative MPs now say.


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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
April 09 2016 23:04 GMT
#1550
www.theguardian.com

Cameron is just making horrible choices at the moment, it won't be long before the press start inserting the word 'disgraced' before his name in articles.

The prime minister took the unprecedented decision to release his personal tax records on Saturday, as growing anger over revelations in the Panama Papers threatened to derail his premiership.

But the extraordinary move seems set to plunge David Cameron into further controversy, as it emerged that his mother transferred two separate payments of £100,000 to his accounts in 2011, allowing the family estate to avoid a potential £80,000 worth of inheritance tax.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
April 09 2016 23:16 GMT
#1551
No way out of that one, his tax records were going to have to go public. He'll pay back the 80k, explain everyone does it, state that nothing bad was done but that he's paying back the 80k to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing and get back to the business of running the country, and the people who cared will care and the people that didn't won't. It's certainly looking harder to be PM now though. I wonder why people bother.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-09 23:25:46
April 09 2016 23:20 GMT
#1552
On April 10 2016 08:16 KwarK wrote:
No way out of that one, his tax records were going to have to go public. He'll pay back the 80k, explain everyone does it, state that nothing bad was done but that he's paying back the 80k to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing and get back to the business of running the country, and the people who cared will care and the people that didn't won't. It's certainly looking harder to be PM now though. I wonder why people bother.


It looks to me like a couple of things that should have been easy for him have turned into a catastrophe. Don't you think that since winning the last election George and Dave have seemed more and more out of touch with reality?
They did pretty well in the last term (even though i'm a total socialist, they seemed to achieve their goals) but now everything they do turns into a huge political mess. They've pretty much ballsed up the remain campaign between them, George's budgets are getting worse and worse with all the u-turns and resigning, and now this for Cameron.
I honestly think it'll get to the point where the tories will have to seriously consider removing them before they do too much damage. They need some easy victories imo.
I read also that Corbyn's approval rating is higher than Cameron's. Corbyn! The guy's an old incompetent fart and everyone knows it, and still he's more popular than Dave right now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14127 Posts
April 10 2016 01:27 GMT
#1553
Has there been any polls about Cameron resigning or calling for new elections?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
April 10 2016 01:52 GMT
#1554
On April 10 2016 10:27 Sermokala wrote:
Has there been any polls about Cameron resigning or calling for new elections?

Not sure but it doesn't matter. Unless he loses the faith of his own party he is secure.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
April 10 2016 11:55 GMT
#1555
On April 10 2016 10:27 Sermokala wrote:
Has there been any polls about Cameron resigning or calling for new elections?


My God if Cameron were to go and we were left with someone like Theresa May i might leave the country.
Better the devil you know.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
April 11 2016 16:04 GMT
#1556
Dennis Skinner manages to get himself chucked out of the chamber

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 11 2016 16:38 GMT
#1557
Good for him.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
April 16 2016 04:32 GMT
#1558
What's been the polling trend on Brexit? Which way is it heading?

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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
April 16 2016 06:10 GMT
#1559
nifty tool infographics.demo.economist.com from http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-11
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9847 Posts
April 16 2016 09:31 GMT
#1560
The polling in this case is of no use. I would wager its pretty much impossible to find a representative sample demographic on this issue.
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