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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-26 02:43:26
November 26 2015 02:41 GMT
#1501
So how bad is this for Labour?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 26 2015 05:39 GMT
#1502
I don't get it, sounds like standard political rhetoric.
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Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 03:19:18
November 27 2015 03:15 GMT
#1503
On November 26 2015 14:39 corumjhaelen wrote:
I don't get it, sounds like standard political rhetoric.


One of the criticisms leveled at Corbyn, McDonnell and their supporters is that they're a bunch of communists. The Conservatives reached an agreement with the Chinese to allow them to build nuclear power plants in the UK. In PMQs, McDonnell produces Mao's book, suggesting that the Conservatives are fools (and hypocrites) for effectively funding the Chinese state to build nuclear plants in the UK. McDonnell then starts reading quotes from the book, which comes across as McDonnell lending the book credibility (and supporting the view that he's a communist), rather than being a joke at the Tory's expense. The clip misses out George Osborne's humorous response after McDonnell throws the book towards him when Osborne flicks the book open and claims it's McDonnell's signed copy.

The Labour party is an absolute shambles; it can't carry on this way. There's a discussion that the issue over Syrian airstrikes will be an opportunity for Corbyn to step down. McDonnell might be forced to resign in the near future as his former relationship with the IRA becomes clearer, e.g. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4625106.ece


Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-29 00:20:43
November 29 2015 00:20 GMT
#1504
On November 26 2015 11:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So how bad is this for Labour?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2KsuENx8rI


Because he got made into a joke and seemed to endorse the writings of a mass murderer.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2015 01:15 GMT
#1505
So Corbyn has a shadow cabinet in revolt? Also:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-29 05:09:32
November 29 2015 04:59 GMT
#1506
Not entirely quite yet. A couple of days ago, Corybyn wrote to Labour MPs stating that he would not support air strikes. The question at the moment is whether he'll whip the vote or not. If the vote is whipped, he's facing resignations from the shadow cabinet. If the vote isn't whipped, Labour party MPs look likely to support bombing Syria, and Corbyn will look even more ineffective as a leader. Senior figures, including the Deputy Leader and Shadow Foreign Secretary, have come out in support of air strikes.

Corbyn's also sent out a letter to the Labour party membership asking for their input. He's really backed himself into a corner by doing that because it's unlikely the membership supports airstrikes. What can he do if the membership supports one position and his MPs support the opposite?

There's a by election this Thursday in a very safe Labour seat too (majority of around 15, 000). Labour are predicted to win the seat but with a vastly reduced majority (around 2000, apparently).

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/people-very-close-having-door-10515372#ICID=sharebar_twitter
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/28/labour-ukip-oldham-west-byelection-fight
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 23:50:17
December 02 2015 22:46 GMT
#1507
UK is joining the airstrikes in Syria

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302

This speech by Hilary Benn was seen as the decisive and best speech in the debate.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2015 00:27 GMT
#1508
Corbyn looks pissed.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
December 03 2015 01:10 GMT
#1509
Sad day for the UK. More military action with zero achievable aim.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 03 2015 06:56 GMT
#1510
Well this proves that David Icke was right of at least one thing; the world is indeed mad.
sorry for dem one liners
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2015 22:06 GMT
#1511
Whichever party emerges as the victor in this week’s Oldham by-election, we know that the top two places will be occupied by Labour, the current incumbent, and Ukip.

That’s quite a remarkable observation when you consider that Nigel Farage’s party is barely 20 years old. The role of anti-establishment party in British by-elections is traditionally given to the Lib Dems and their predecessors, the Liberal Party, with its campaigning tradition stretching back not decades, but centuries.

But Ukip is the new insurgent.

Whether it can snatch the late Michael Meacher’s seat from Labour or not, Ukip has already transformed party politics in the 21st century. It holds the largest number of seats of any UK party in the European Parliament, has 500 council seats and, while taking a meagre single seat in this year’s general election, chalked up nearly four million votes, knocking the Lib Dems into a humiliating fourth place in share of the vote.

But is Nigel Farage’s claim this week – that Ukip is about to do to Labour what the SNP has already done to it in Scotland – mere boasting? Or are there genuine grounds for Labour to start preparing to cede more of those green benches to the purple people?


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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 04 2015 12:13 GMT
#1512
Damn, "political" english vocabullary is hard to read as a foreigner.
sorry for dem one liners
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 27 2015 18:28 GMT
#1513
The army and emergency services were deployed in towns and cities across the north of England on Sunday to lead recovery efforts as devastating floods continued to bring chaos to thousands of homes and businesses.

Three major cities were hit, alongside scores of towns and villages, forcing the evacuation of thousands in what David Cameron described as an unprecedented situation.

Three hundred troops were already on the ground in the worst-hit areas on Sunday with a further 200 on the way. In York, 3,500 homes were at risk near the rivers Ouse and Foss with hundreds of people being taken to safety, as water levels in the city continued to rise.

The Environment Agency said it was forced to lift a flood barrier allowing water to flow into the Ouse and flood part of the city, after a pumping station was “overwhelmed by water”. The decision led to the flooding of large swaths of the historic city.

In Leeds, main roads in the city centre remained underwater in what the local MP Hilary Benn said were the worst floods the city had seen. In Greater Manchester, 7,000 homes were still without power after rivers burst their banks.

Speaking after chairing an emergency conference, the prime minister promised everything would be done to help those worst hit.


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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 19:07:51
December 27 2015 19:07 GMT
#1514
I live in York right next to the river shit is underwater
at least the army is being deployed to shoot the water into submission xd
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 17:29:04
December 28 2015 17:16 GMT
#1515
Better than Cameron's response last time this happened a few years ago which was basically "What do you want me to do about it? You have insurance don't you? I don't control the weather". That said I still think there is only so much the national government can do. Maybe there should be some kind of local flood tax that hits people who decided to buy a house on a flood plain and then complain about it when it flooded and they didn't get insurance. Or maybe make flood insurance mandatory and then have the insurance companies pay for the flood defences.

I guess I just don't see how the weather is something that people blame the government for.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 29 2015 15:22 GMT
#1516
Because he cut flood defence funding and the reason why the flooding has hit York so hard this year at least is because a catastrophic failure in one of the flood defence systems. It's not just people buying houses on flood plains and getting flooded, it's losing access to power, the city centre and many of the main roads while the prevention system for this kind of disaster is reduced. Cameron was warned how much damage underfunding flood defences would do, and it is finally biting him in the arse
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2016 01:34 GMT
#1517
David Cameron has been urged to "come clean" over the role the UK Government played in voting Saudi Arabia on to the UN Human Rights Council in an alleged secret deal.

The Saudi Government executed 47 people on Saturday causing outrage across the Middle East and sparking renewed concerns over its human rights record.

In response, the leaders of the Liberal Democrat and Green parties have demanded a public inquiry into whether the UK was involved in a secret vote-trading deal in 2013 to secure both countries a place on an influential UN panel.

Diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks last year purported to show that UK initiated secret negotiations by asking Saudi Arabia for its support ahead of a ballot.

The exchanges have never been commented on by UK officials. Both Britain and Saudi Arabia were later named among the 47 member states of the UNHRC following the secret ballot.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 18 2016 05:43 GMT
#1518
One of Britain’s most eminent former diplomats has described the country as a fading power, saying that cuts to the Foreign Office have undermined its standing on the world stage.

As the UN security council celebrates its 70th birthday on Sunday, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, a former British ambassador to the UN, said this and the previous government had shown a worrying lack of concern for foreign affairs, which had hurt Britain’s standing abroad.

“It has always been in the traditions of the UK to be part of the search for global solutions. I don’t get the same feeling from the last government or this government. Immediate domestic concerns are coming first and foremost.

“We are not so much a power any more, our relative power has faded, put us into the shade. The Foreign Office is constantly being cut, our military being cut,” he said. “The number of armed forces has gone down, our contribution to peacekeeping is negligible, we haven’t succeeded in our interventions in Iraq, in Afghanistan.”

Greenstock served at the UN as Britain’s special representative from 1998 to 2003 – during the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq – and was then special representative in Iraq until 2004.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2016 15:57 GMT
#1519
Nicky Morgan reportedly "waged a valiant battle" with David Cameron over his decision to block compulsory sex education in classrooms across the country.

On Wednesday the Education Secretary rejected MPs’ calls to make sex and relationship education compulsory in all schools, to the dismay of many campaigners. At the moment the lessons are not mandatory in academies or faith schools – where parents can refuse to allow their children to participate.

The National Aids Trust said it was “extremely disappointed” at the decision.

But, according to Channel 4 News presenter Cathy Newman, the Education Secretary “waged a valiant battle” to persuade the Prime Minister for the case of mandatory sex education classes in all schools. Newman adds: “What's worse is David Cameron decided to ignore the entreaties not only of his Education Secretary – and the aforementioned assembled ranks of supporters and experts – but also several other senior women in the Cabinet.”

According to the report, the Home Secretary Theresa May, the Business Minister Anna Soubry and International Development Secretary Justine Greening all backed the change in policy.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44359 Posts
February 19 2016 16:33 GMT
#1520
Makes you wish we had a political party who weren't cunts.
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