EPTOn February 20 2016 01:33 KwarK wrote:
Makes you wish we had a political party who weren't cunts.
Makes you wish we had a political party who weren't cunts.
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
London Mayor Boris Johnson says he is joining a campaign to encourage Britain to leave the European Union — posing a direct challenge to Prime Minister David Cameron, who has launched a major push to win support for his call to keep his country within the EU. Britons will vote in a June 23 referendum on whether to stay in or leave the 28-nation bloc. The issue has divided Cameron's Conservative Party — while most in his Cabinet back his wish to stay, several Cabinet members oppose his stance and are campaigning for the country to leave. Sunday's announcement from Johnson, 51, deals a huge blow to Cameron, because he is the most popular and senior Conservative politician to campaign for a so-called "Brexit." Source | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Boris Johnson is leading a campaign for the protection and advancement of Boris Johnson, nothing else | ||
KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On February 23 2016 03:47 Jockmcplop wrote: Boris Johnson is leading a campaign for the protection and advancement of Boris Johnson, nothing else It's entirely possible that a high profile Euroskeptic campaign is intended to provide leverage to Cameron's negotiations with the EU. The more real a Brexit seems the more he can push for concessions. I wouldn't put it past them. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On February 23 2016 04:57 KwarK wrote: It's entirely possible that a high profile Euroskeptic campaign is intended to provide leverage to Cameron's negotiations with the EU. The more real a Brexit seems the more he can push for concessions. I wouldn't put it past them. If Cameron's negotiations with Brussels were anything more than a token attempt at appeasing his own ministers i would agree, but it seems to me the things he is asking for completely fail to address the biggest problems that the public of the UK have with the EU. Which, in my mind, would be 1. the lack of a democratic system 2. unchecked immigration 3. the huge payments we have to make to the EU on a regular basis (I don't agree with these, but it seems to be a decent generalization of what the public is aware of) In favour of just granting us the title of 'special status'. Its a sideshow, a joke. There may as well be no negotiation. | ||
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
Per capita we pay less than pretty much any other first world nation in the EU. That's mostly an image issue. Immigration is a feature of the EU, not a problem. That's basically an in or out question, you can't have a common market without free movement of labour. Immigration is free movement of labour. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
On February 23 2016 05:09 KwarK wrote: We don't make "huge" payments to the EU. We pay a little over half what Germany does and less than fucking Italy, a country substantially poorer than us. We pay twice what the Netherlands does, a country with one quarter of our population. Per capita we pay less than pretty much any other first world nation in the EU. That's mostly an image issue. Immigration is a feature of the EU, not a problem. That's basically an in or out question, you can't have a common market without free movement of labour. Immigration is free movement of labour. OK I shouldn't have said huge payments, but that is the impression you would get from listening to the out campaign. I also agree with you on immigration, but many don't see it that way. If these are going to be the points that the out campaign rely on, and i'm 90% sure they will be, then what is the point in continuing to negotiate for a 'better' deal that won't address any of it. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
A funny moment from the session today as long as you are not a supporter of comrade Corbyn | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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m4ini
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On February 23 2016 05:03 Jockmcplop wrote: 3. the huge payments we have to make to the EU on a regular basis At least that's what the daily mail wants you to believe. OK I shouldn't have said huge payments, but that is the impression you would get from listening to the out campaign. No. That's the impression you get when you listen to populistic idiots. "Paying most of the shit, more than anyone else, we pay everything" sounds a lot better than "we actually got a fucking amazing deal, all things considered". Sadly, daily mail readers and ukip voters resonate strongly with retarded statements like that. Typing www.dailymail.co.uk and being spoonfed the dumbest shit imaginable is a lot easier than actually reading up on stuff. That being said, it's not a UK problem, it's a "people problem". The US is experiencing the same idiotic bs with Trump right now. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Here's an interesting link, it'll tell you how your MP has been voting on some issues, it goes into quite alot of detail. Good stuff | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
I reckon we're one terror attack away from a 100:0. | ||
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11617702/poll.html And that doesn't suggest "low to none" at all. | ||
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
That said, I don't expect a majority of people to vote for leave. That was what I meant by low to none. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The New IRA has said it tried to kill a prison officer in Northern Ireland last week and warned it is targeting other prison staff. The 52-year-old prison officer suffered serious injuries from the bomb blast underneath his van on Friday. In a coded statement to the BBC in Belfast on Monday morning, the New IRA said there would be further such attacks, adding it had a list of potential targets including other prison officers. The terror group claimed the man it tried to kill was responsible for training officers who work in a wing holding dissident republican prisoners at Maghaberry jail outside Belfast. It said the attack was the result of a dispute between republican inmates and the prison authorities. The New IRA claimed it had used semtex explosives in the bomb attack. At the weekend, the Police Federation for Northern Ireland, which represents rank and file officers in the region, warned that dissident republican violence would intensify in the run-up to Easter 2016, the centenary of the 1916 rising against British rule in Ireland. Source | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9847 Posts
Boris Johnson says a memo instructing his senior staff to back him over the EU referendum has been withdrawn. The London mayor, who is campaigning to leave the EU, said the email to deputy mayors and senior advisers was "a cock-up, and not something I agree with". It told them to "either advocate the mayor's position or otherwise not openly contradict it". The email was sent 24 hours before Mr Johnson accused pro-EU campaigners of trying to gag opponents. It was sent by his chief of staff, Edward Lister. www.bbc.co.uk | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35848687 I'm guessing this will have consequences for Osborne and his leadership campaign. | ||
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