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Acrofales
Spain17852 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:17 Acrofales wrote: Remember when Bush had a shoe thrown at him and the internet thought that was hilarious? The internet was definitely correct. | ||
Rasalased
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21369 Posts
On May 23 2019 18:17 Acrofales wrote: Because it was an insult to Bush, who ducked expertly and wasn't meant as an attempt at inflicting bodily harm.Remember when Bush had a shoe thrown at him and the internet thought that was hilarious? If the man had thrown bricks the reaction would have been very different from most people (there will always be some who cheer for people they dont agree with being hurt). | ||
Acrofales
Spain17852 Posts
On May 23 2019 19:45 Gorsameth wrote: Because it was an insult to Bush, who ducked expertly and wasn't meant as an attempt at inflicting bodily harm. If the man had thrown bricks the reaction would have been very different from most people (there will always be some who cheer for people they dont agree with being hurt). I was just contrasting it with this faux outrage over a milkshake. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23866 Posts
On May 23 2019 16:48 m4ini wrote: Turning someone into a martyr and pointing out how fucking idiotic fake outrage over a milkshake is by reminding people of the right wing equivalent of "milkshake throwing left wing terrorists/radicals" are two very different things. If it makes you sleep better, i'll point out Tommy Robinsons "speech" on the weekend, where a few followers were taken in by the police for violence (throwing bricks and eggs at the police and counter protesters). All the while making up stories about people being stabbed and shot beforehand (which the police already clarified are bullshit). Not for the first time either, btw - his "speeches" seem to have an interesting effect on the poor, milkshake-PTSD suffering right wingers. That's from a former ranking member of the secret service, for bush no less. If one of "your" guys is telling you to man up and stop being a pussy, making a drama out of "radical left wing milkshake terrorism", you might want to take the hint (not aimed at Wombat). Tommy Robinson isn’t Farage, and Farage isn’t all Brexit voters. Personally I find the odd milkshake pretty funny. My issue isn’t at all with that, it’s the wider political culture. It’s easier to argue politics if the other folks are all bad people, not generally decent people with a different political opinion. This has gone and diffused down all the way from top to bottom, and it’s really not a good thing. I’ll pick on Diane Abbott because she’s spoken about this more than others, if someone threw a milkshake at her there’d be a certain section up in arms about it. They’d write articles about her getting shit on Twitter and how it’s because she’s a black woman or something. Same folks will write, or at least think ‘fuck him he deserves it’ if it’s Farage. I have no numbers to hand but I’m pretty sure he must get a lot of abuse and threats too. Or vice versa as we’re seeing in a non-hypothetical, where the right tabloids that actually push articles about ‘snowflakes’ on their front pages writing as if Farage had been assassinated, which was utterly preposterous. The ‘rise’ of Tommy Robinson is absolutely regrettable, I’d he didn’t have at least some legitimate fuel to work with, that doesn’t happen. | ||
m4ini
4215 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors Officially second class citizen now, feels good to live and pay taxes here. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23866 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:06 m4ini wrote: In other news, many europeans report that they're denied their vote. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors Officially second class citizen now, feels good to live and pay taxes here. How do we fuck up that badly? :S | ||
m4ini
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Velr
Switzerland10601 Posts
Other reasons might or might not entail: + Show Spoiler + Your official ruler is still a Queen. Your second chamber of parlament is still largely hereditiary. Your goverment over the last 3 years has proven to be totally incapable of reaching any sort of compromise due to a crysis your former goverment, the same party, started. Your media is blatantly spewing anti EU lies since forever. Your Politicians and the Media blame the EU for tons of your homemmade Problems. Your electorate has and had absolutely no clue what the EU does. Your treating EU-Elections and public referendums like protest votes whiteout any regard to whats actually at stake but the colour of passports is a major topic. | ||
m4ini
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Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:04 Wombat_NI wrote: Tommy Robinson isn’t Farage, and Farage isn’t all Brexit voters. Personally I find the odd milkshake pretty funny. My issue isn’t at all with that, it’s the wider political culture. It’s easier to argue politics if the other folks are all bad people, not generally decent people with a different political opinion. This has gone and diffused down all the way from top to bottom, and it’s really not a good thing. I’ll pick on Diane Abbott because she’s spoken about this more than others, if someone threw a milkshake at her there’d be a certain section up in arms about it. They’d write articles about her getting shit on Twitter and how it’s because she’s a black woman or something. Same folks will write, or at least think ‘fuck him he deserves it’ if it’s Farage. I have no numbers to hand but I’m pretty sure he must get a lot of abuse and threats too. Or vice versa as we’re seeing in a non-hypothetical, where the right tabloids that actually push articles about ‘snowflakes’ on their front pages writing as if Farage had been assassinated, which was utterly preposterous. The ‘rise’ of Tommy Robinson is absolutely regrettable, I’d he didn’t have at least some legitimate fuel to work with, that doesn’t happen. A striking difference could be that Abbott gets flack because she's a black person and/or a woman,rather than because of her policies. Meaning the same reason for her getting shit upon wouldn't get a white man in trouble. Farage gets flack because of his awful standpoints and lies. Not sure what you had in mind about Abbott though, couldn't really find something despicable about her just now. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23866 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:18 Velr wrote: Your goverment/buerocracy is a total mess since you were not supposed to take part in these elections and, oh wonder, you are not prepared. Other reasons might or might not entail: + Show Spoiler + Your official ruler is still a Queen. Your second chamber of parlament is still largely hereditiary. Your goverment over the last 3 years has proven to be totally incapable of reaching any sort of compromise due to a crysis your former goverment, the same party, started. Your media is blatantly spewing anti EU lies since forever. Your Politicians and the Media blame the EU for tons of your homemmade Problems. Your electorate has and had absolutely no clue what the EU does. Your treating EU-Elections and public referendums like protest votes whiteout any regard to whats actually at stake but the colour of passports is a major topic. I don’t think some of that is fair, the Irish have fuck all idea what the EU actually does either, they just tend to like it so their ignorance isn’t exposed. Not sure about other parts of Europe, I imagine it’s broadly the case but can’t really comment on anyone but our neighbours. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland23866 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:24 Artisreal wrote: A striking difference could be that Abbott gets flack because she's a black person and/or a woman,rather than because of her policies. Meaning the same reason for her getting shit upon wouldn't get a white man in trouble. Farage gets flack because of his awful standpoints and lies. Not sure what you had in mind about Abbott though, couldn't really find something despicable about her just now. I picked her because she’s a lightning rod for stuff and just to illustrate certain trends, and she’s actively spoke on the topic of hostility of that kind, and left leaning media op-eds that I read on it, sprung to mind. They’re not directly equivalent, no. | ||
Simberto
Germany11339 Posts
I was to be in the UK for a months, and figured that i might as well spend that time working and earning a bit of money. Already had something lined up, too. Turns out that no, UK bureaucracy says that isn't possible. Well, it is possible, but i needed some UK number that allows me to work. Which would take 6 weeks to process. And required a UK adress. And the process for me to get that number needed to be started when i was in the UK. I couldn't do anything from Germany, and whenever i talked to UK bureaucrats, the second i mentioned that i was not currently in the UK, the only response to any of my question was always "It is against the law". No advice on what to do, no way to do this. I couldn't even set up the in person interview in the UK from Germany either, because that would also be " against the law". I know that we Germans are supposed to have a horrible bureaucracy, but i have never experienced anything like that here. Just rules and rules and rules with no sensible reason for them to exist except to make stuff hard for people. So no, i am not really surprised that the UK pulled the same shit for the EU elections. They probably made it technically possible to get registered to vote, just really, really hard, and gave you no information on what you need to do to be registered. The UK is really good at weaponizing bureaucracy. Also, pretty much any goodwill towards the UK is totally gone here nowadays. I know it is not nice, but at this point i mostly just hope that you crash and burn out of the EU so we no longer have to deal with your bullshit. | ||
Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:40 Wombat_NI wrote: I picked her because she’s a lightning rod for stuff and just to illustrate certain trends, and she’s actively spoke on the topic of hostility of that kind, and left leaning media op-eds that I read on it, sprung to mind. They’re not directly equivalent, no. Thank you for elaborating. I wasn't sure what you meant but that renders it clearer. On May 24 2019 00:42 Simberto wrote: Totally fits my experience with UK bureaucracy. It seems to be designed to be specifically as annoying and hostile as possible to foreigners, including EU citizens. I was to be in the UK for a months, and figured that i might as well spend that time working and earning a bit of money. Already had something lined up, too. Turns out that no, UK bureaucracy says that isn't possible. Well, it is possible, but i needed some UK number that allows me to work. Which would take 6 weeks to process. And required a UK adress. And the process for me to get that number needed to be started when i was in the UK. I couldn't do anything from Germany, and whenever i talked to UK bureaucrats, the second i mentioned that i was not currently in the UK, the only response to any of my question was always "It is against the law". No advice on what to do, no way to do this. I couldn't even set up the in person interview in the UK from Germany either, because that would also be " against the law". I know that we Germans are supposed to have a horrible bureaucracy, but i have never experienced anything like that here. Just rules and rules and rules with no sensible reason for them to exist except to make stuff hard for people. So no, i am not really surprised that the UK pulled the same shit for the EU elections. They probably made it technically possible to get registered to vote, just really, really hard, and gave you no information on what you need to do to be registered. The UK is really good at weaponizing bureaucracy. Also, pretty much any goodwill towards the UK is totally gone here nowadays. I know it is not nice, but at this point i mostly just hope that you crash and burn out of the EU so we no longer have to deal with your bullshit. If I remember correctly you can work without the Nr for like 3 months which is barely enough to obtain it. also try calling Scotland, my wife's had a difficult but amicable experience with the Hotlines while attempting to obtain that fateful number | ||
Simberto
Germany11339 Posts
I pretty much have no interest in going to the UK again, so i guess the weaponized bureaucracy fulfilled its goal of keeping out us evil foreigners and keeping the UK pure. As one can tell, i am still a bit pissed off about this experience, and i can only see the voting thing through this lense. I am pretty sure that the UK bureaucracy works like that by design. Even if they cannot prevent the EU foreigners from working in the UK while they are in the UK, they surely will make it as hard as possible for them to do so in the hopes of discouraging them from coming over. The same is happening to the act of voting right now. Simple as that. Prevent the Romanians from taking out jobs and all that jazz. | ||
Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5446 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:42 Simberto wrote: Totally fits my experience with UK bureaucracy. It seems to be designed to be specifically as annoying and hostile as possible to foreigners, including EU citizens. To rent a room, you need a UK-based bank account, and to get a UK-based bank account you need a UK-based address. xD | ||
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