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Brexit wasn't impossible, her job wasn't impossible, but the way she went about it with :
"no deal is better than a bad deal"
"brexit means brexit"
wasting time with a general election
triggering article 50 to put UK and herself on a clock
choosing dupliticious and dim people like David Davies to be the brexit negotiator
terrible choices of cabinet
then deciding to negotiate an agreement seemingly by herself without parliamentary input
trying to provide her own legacy by trying to force "my agreement or no agreement"
She chose it all. She chose to make her job impossible by miscalculating how everyone else would act. She chose all those options to force parliament to choose what would be her agreement legacy at the risk of a hard brexit. And she failed and so hard brexit looks like the only option. She gets no sympathy from me.
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Please remember to use the enter key....
But yeah, I agree with everything you said there. This could have been better without 2 years of sticking to red lines that she created that made her job impossible.
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Sorry, it was just a stream of consciousness that entered my mind, as I dredged up memories of past events to which she had chosen. Of course, if I do use the enter key, I get asked to join up my sentences at times. I'll edit the post for clarity.
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D'ya think they timed this deliberately to swamp the news about the worldwide school strike?
May as well kill two birds with one stone, right?
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On May 24 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
D'ya think they timed this deliberately to swamp the news about the worldwide school strike?
May as well kill two birds with one stone, right?
It was the day after the EU elections so i see nothing unusual about the timing, other than it should have been at least 2 months earlier.
Dreadful woman with a dreadful deal.
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England2814 Posts
On May 24 2019 00:24 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 00:04 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 23 2019 16:48 m4ini wrote:I was quite proud of the UK political sphere for not turning Jo Cox into a martyr for particular political positions, I hope that bit of restraint over a horrifying moment isn’t going to be abandoned now.
Turning someone into a martyr and pointing out how fucking idiotic fake outrage over a milkshake is by reminding people of the right wing equivalent of "milkshake throwing left wing terrorists/radicals" are two very different things. If it makes you sleep better, i'll point out Tommy Robinsons "speech" on the weekend, where a few followers were taken in by the police for violence (throwing bricks and eggs at the police and counter protesters). All the while making up stories about people being stabbed and shot beforehand (which the police already clarified are bullshit). Not for the first time either, btw - his "speeches" seem to have an interesting effect on the poor, milkshake-PTSD suffering right wingers. “Nearly all of the time an egg is an egg, and a milkshake is a milkshake. We, in the [Secret Service], on President Bush, in the post 9/11 era didn't consider that stuff to be ‘political violence’ in the absence of evidence of intent to cause actual harm,” he tweeted.
“We had eggs thrown. We had powder thrown. We had drinks thrown. I had a frappucino thrown at us in a motorcade. Mostly, this stuff never made the press, George Bush had a valet with a spare suit and a good attitude.
“FFS, Nigel, Carl, Stephen. You got a whole posse of handlers and factotums. Keep a change of clothes handy and man up.
That's from a former ranking member of the secret service, for bush no less. If one of "your" guys is telling you to man up and stop being a pussy, making a drama out of "radical left wing milkshake terrorism", you might want to take the hint (not aimed at Wombat). Tommy Robinson isn’t Farage, and Farage isn’t all Brexit voters. Personally I find the odd milkshake pretty funny. My issue isn’t at all with that, it’s the wider political culture. It’s easier to argue politics if the other folks are all bad people, not generally decent people with a different political opinion. This has gone and diffused down all the way from top to bottom, and it’s really not a good thing. I’ll pick on Diane Abbott because she’s spoken about this more than others, if someone threw a milkshake at her there’d be a certain section up in arms about it. They’d write articles about her getting shit on Twitter and how it’s because she’s a black woman or something. Same folks will write, or at least think ‘fuck him he deserves it’ if it’s Farage. I have no numbers to hand but I’m pretty sure he must get a lot of abuse and threats too. Or vice versa as we’re seeing in a non-hypothetical, where the right tabloids that actually push articles about ‘snowflakes’ on their front pages writing as if Farage had been assassinated, which was utterly preposterous. The ‘rise’ of Tommy Robinson is absolutely regrettable, I’d he didn’t have at least some legitimate fuel to work with, that doesn’t happen. A striking difference could be that Abbott gets flack because she's a black person and/or a woman,rather than because of her policies. Meaning the same reason for her getting shit upon wouldn't get a white man in trouble. Farage gets flack because of his awful standpoints and lies. Not sure what you had in mind about Abbott though, couldn't really find something despicable about her just now.
Diane Abbott's list of public fuck ups, gaffes and embarrassing moments is so long you'd think she was from UKIP. A white man would absolutely get shit for the stuff she's done; journalists love it when they catch a politician who clearly has no idea what they're talking about. I believe the only reason she has a job is she stuck by Corbyn when pretty much everyone else abandoned her, and she's been an anchor for his cause on multiple occasions.
Not that I don't doubt some people go after her 'cause she's a black woman, but that is but one reason to have a go at Diane Abbott, and far from the best one.
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So I guess the big question is now, Who is next?
Who is willing to be the person to deliver (or not deliver) Brexit?
May was allowed to stay despite the constant criticism because she would take responsibility for Brexit and let others stand on the sidelines promising the impossible.
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I'm kinda expecting a no deal Brexit now, but we'll see.
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I beleive Boris Johnson is currently a favourite. As he would had been if Gove didn't declare Boris unfit for the job at the previous conservative leadership contest. Anybody want to entertain an idea of an alternate timeline if Gove continued to support Boris Johnson and he was PM?
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On May 24 2019 20:36 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 00:24 Artisreal wrote:On May 24 2019 00:04 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 23 2019 16:48 m4ini wrote:I was quite proud of the UK political sphere for not turning Jo Cox into a martyr for particular political positions, I hope that bit of restraint over a horrifying moment isn’t going to be abandoned now.
Turning someone into a martyr and pointing out how fucking idiotic fake outrage over a milkshake is by reminding people of the right wing equivalent of "milkshake throwing left wing terrorists/radicals" are two very different things. If it makes you sleep better, i'll point out Tommy Robinsons "speech" on the weekend, where a few followers were taken in by the police for violence (throwing bricks and eggs at the police and counter protesters). All the while making up stories about people being stabbed and shot beforehand (which the police already clarified are bullshit). Not for the first time either, btw - his "speeches" seem to have an interesting effect on the poor, milkshake-PTSD suffering right wingers. “Nearly all of the time an egg is an egg, and a milkshake is a milkshake. We, in the [Secret Service], on President Bush, in the post 9/11 era didn't consider that stuff to be ‘political violence’ in the absence of evidence of intent to cause actual harm,” he tweeted.
“We had eggs thrown. We had powder thrown. We had drinks thrown. I had a frappucino thrown at us in a motorcade. Mostly, this stuff never made the press, George Bush had a valet with a spare suit and a good attitude.
“FFS, Nigel, Carl, Stephen. You got a whole posse of handlers and factotums. Keep a change of clothes handy and man up.
That's from a former ranking member of the secret service, for bush no less. If one of "your" guys is telling you to man up and stop being a pussy, making a drama out of "radical left wing milkshake terrorism", you might want to take the hint (not aimed at Wombat). Tommy Robinson isn’t Farage, and Farage isn’t all Brexit voters. Personally I find the odd milkshake pretty funny. My issue isn’t at all with that, it’s the wider political culture. It’s easier to argue politics if the other folks are all bad people, not generally decent people with a different political opinion. This has gone and diffused down all the way from top to bottom, and it’s really not a good thing. I’ll pick on Diane Abbott because she’s spoken about this more than others, if someone threw a milkshake at her there’d be a certain section up in arms about it. They’d write articles about her getting shit on Twitter and how it’s because she’s a black woman or something. Same folks will write, or at least think ‘fuck him he deserves it’ if it’s Farage. I have no numbers to hand but I’m pretty sure he must get a lot of abuse and threats too. Or vice versa as we’re seeing in a non-hypothetical, where the right tabloids that actually push articles about ‘snowflakes’ on their front pages writing as if Farage had been assassinated, which was utterly preposterous. The ‘rise’ of Tommy Robinson is absolutely regrettable, I’d he didn’t have at least some legitimate fuel to work with, that doesn’t happen. A striking difference could be that Abbott gets flack because she's a black person and/or a woman,rather than because of her policies. Meaning the same reason for her getting shit upon wouldn't get a white man in trouble. Farage gets flack because of his awful standpoints and lies. Not sure what you had in mind about Abbott though, couldn't really find something despicable about her just now. Diane Abbott's list of public fuck ups, gaffes and embarrassing moments is so long you'd think she was from UKIP. A white man would absolutely get shit for the stuff she's done; journalists love it when they catch a politician who clearly has no idea what they're talking about. I believe the only reason she has a job is she stuck by Corbyn when pretty much everyone else abandoned her, and she's been an anchor for his cause on multiple occasions. Not that I don't doubt some people go after her 'cause she's a black woman, but that is but one reason to have a go at Diane Abbott, and far from the best one.
She was the country's first black MP, is the longest serving black MP. She has won every local election since 1987. You really don't think she deserves a top job?
Why do you think her fuck ups get so much attention??
I think its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. She does screw up but when she does it gets blown way out of proportion given what the consequences of those mistakes are. Compare that to someone like Grayling, an old white man who has fucked up MORE THAN ONE essential public service in the UK and still has a top job and isn't constantly in the headlines.
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How is Boris still a thing? I can't recall any other politician in recent history that made his willingness to fuck his country to advance his career public.
We live in an age where people lose their jobs and get ostracized for a tweet they've made 10 years ago yet somehow accountability in politics is moving in the opposite direction.
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On May 24 2019 20:36 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2019 00:24 Artisreal wrote:On May 24 2019 00:04 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 23 2019 16:48 m4ini wrote:I was quite proud of the UK political sphere for not turning Jo Cox into a martyr for particular political positions, I hope that bit of restraint over a horrifying moment isn’t going to be abandoned now.
Turning someone into a martyr and pointing out how fucking idiotic fake outrage over a milkshake is by reminding people of the right wing equivalent of "milkshake throwing left wing terrorists/radicals" are two very different things. If it makes you sleep better, i'll point out Tommy Robinsons "speech" on the weekend, where a few followers were taken in by the police for violence (throwing bricks and eggs at the police and counter protesters). All the while making up stories about people being stabbed and shot beforehand (which the police already clarified are bullshit). Not for the first time either, btw - his "speeches" seem to have an interesting effect on the poor, milkshake-PTSD suffering right wingers. “Nearly all of the time an egg is an egg, and a milkshake is a milkshake. We, in the [Secret Service], on President Bush, in the post 9/11 era didn't consider that stuff to be ‘political violence’ in the absence of evidence of intent to cause actual harm,” he tweeted.
“We had eggs thrown. We had powder thrown. We had drinks thrown. I had a frappucino thrown at us in a motorcade. Mostly, this stuff never made the press, George Bush had a valet with a spare suit and a good attitude.
“FFS, Nigel, Carl, Stephen. You got a whole posse of handlers and factotums. Keep a change of clothes handy and man up.
That's from a former ranking member of the secret service, for bush no less. If one of "your" guys is telling you to man up and stop being a pussy, making a drama out of "radical left wing milkshake terrorism", you might want to take the hint (not aimed at Wombat). Tommy Robinson isn’t Farage, and Farage isn’t all Brexit voters. Personally I find the odd milkshake pretty funny. My issue isn’t at all with that, it’s the wider political culture. It’s easier to argue politics if the other folks are all bad people, not generally decent people with a different political opinion. This has gone and diffused down all the way from top to bottom, and it’s really not a good thing. I’ll pick on Diane Abbott because she’s spoken about this more than others, if someone threw a milkshake at her there’d be a certain section up in arms about it. They’d write articles about her getting shit on Twitter and how it’s because she’s a black woman or something. Same folks will write, or at least think ‘fuck him he deserves it’ if it’s Farage. I have no numbers to hand but I’m pretty sure he must get a lot of abuse and threats too. Or vice versa as we’re seeing in a non-hypothetical, where the right tabloids that actually push articles about ‘snowflakes’ on their front pages writing as if Farage had been assassinated, which was utterly preposterous. The ‘rise’ of Tommy Robinson is absolutely regrettable, I’d he didn’t have at least some legitimate fuel to work with, that doesn’t happen. A striking difference could be that Abbott gets flack because she's a black person and/or a woman,rather than because of her policies. Meaning the same reason for her getting shit upon wouldn't get a white man in trouble. Farage gets flack because of his awful standpoints and lies. Not sure what you had in mind about Abbott though, couldn't really find something despicable about her just now. Diane Abbott's list of public fuck ups, gaffes and embarrassing moments is so long you'd think she was from UKIP. A white man would absolutely get shit for the stuff she's done; journalists love it when they catch a politician who clearly has no idea what they're talking about. I believe the only reason she has a job is she stuck by Corbyn when pretty much everyone else abandoned her, and she's been an anchor for his cause on multiple occasions. Not that I don't doubt some people go after her 'cause she's a black woman, but that is but one reason to have a go at Diane Abbott, and far from the best one.
Thank you for bringin that to mind. I did a quick google search on my phone yesterday with "abbott scandal" and it was her drinking a can of mojito on the tube that came up on the first 2 pages. Wasn't that shocking to me but as I said I didn't dig into it further.
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On May 25 2019 00:52 Dan HH wrote:
How is Boris still a thing? I can't recall any other politician in recent history that made his willingness to fuck his country to advance his career public.
We live in an age where people lose their jobs and get ostracized for a tweet they've made 10 years ago yet somehow accountability in politics is moving in the opposite direction.
I wonder how that man can still have support after how he spectacularly failed trying to negotiate Brexit and resigned. There must be better alternatives.
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Johnson is saying the UK will leave 31 October with or without a deal.
Seems like things are finally moving in the right direction.
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On May 25 2019 10:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Johnson is saying the UK will leave 31 October with or without a deal.
Seems like things are finally moving in the right direction.
Much like May did with 31 March? This is exciting news.
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Johnson saying that is strong indication it wont happen. The guy is wrong like 90% of the time.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On May 25 2019 20:35 Silvanel wrote:
Johnson saying that is strong indication it wont happen. The guy is wrong like 90% of the time.
No he isn’t he’s actively lying 90% of the time which is a rather large difference.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On May 25 2019 10:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Johnson is saying the UK will leave 31 October with or without a deal.
Seems like things are finally moving in the right direction.
I mean if one enjoys watching the aftermath of car crashes then I suppose that is the right direction.
It’s worth remembering that basically nobody campaigned on leaving and losing all the benefits of EU membership entirely. It was largely sold in a broad brush we’re the UK we’re too important for the EU not to give us some (all tbh given the rhetoric) of what we want while we can cut off what we don’t like.
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On May 25 2019 20:35 Silvanel wrote:
Johnson saying that is strong indication it wont happen. The guy is wrong like 90% of the time.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see a Johnson govt fail a no confidence vote if they try go hard brexit route.Tory support collapses,Brexit 2nd largest party.Labour loses some working class seats to brexit party.Labour goes into coalition govt with Lib Dems.Even though Corbyn hates the EU.Total mess.We could be witnessing the collapse of both major parties.
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On May 25 2019 10:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Johnson is saying the UK will leave 31 October with or without a deal.
Seems like things are finally moving in the right direction.
Or he's just trying to stir up things so he doesn't actually get to be PM. To me it looks like his plan is to avoid being in a position where he has to deal with the fallout of his shit at all costs while being able to sling as much shit as possible in order to keep his popularity up. Meanwhile staying as close to the throne as he can while waiting for someone else to clean up the mess, just in time for him to swoop in, blame everyone else (but himself) for not getting a better deal and THEN becoming PM. Of course it has to look like he's interested at all time, you can't turn it down and expect to be a viable candidate later.
Brexit is not a "hot" potato it's more like a napalm pineapple. If you pick it up your not getting away without severe burns.
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