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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On June 08 2017 08:02 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Think I'll vote Labour because I think May's puppeteers will oppress any backbenchers that may (ahaha get it?) temper her shitness. Tory win with not a huge majority might be best of many bad outcomes.
Waiting for people to be disappointed when the NHS gets sold (and worse), the common person is poorer, the UK becomes the 51st of the Ununited States of Trump and there are no extra police to shoot the next nutter that drives a van into a crowd though.
I don't get this NHS is better off in Labour hands crap. All 3 party manifesto's shit on the NHS the difference in funding is £10million i think it was? The NHS released an article saying that all 3 parties are not giving us enough money and the difference in money being given was around £10million or something so low. Yet everywhere u hear is Conservatives are killing the NHS?
NHS is not going to be fixed by any government, the whole system is very very broken. My mom works in a Drs surgery and she see's first hand the problems they have which are huge issues from over filled surgeries to lack of Drs/Nurses to get through the programs. From lack of quality of care due to no time and into huge funding issues. This is also NOTHING compared to what every single hospital is suffering from!
I would love a fix to be made but no one knows one yet apart from throwing the money towards them that they want which is so much it would require an "NHS tax" basically i think but no party will ever risk that.
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On June 08 2017 19:43 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 08:02 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Think I'll vote Labour because I think May's puppeteers will oppress any backbenchers that may (ahaha get it?) temper her shitness. Tory win with not a huge majority might be best of many bad outcomes.
Waiting for people to be disappointed when the NHS gets sold (and worse), the common person is poorer, the UK becomes the 51st of the Ununited States of Trump and there are no extra police to shoot the next nutter that drives a van into a crowd though. I don't get this NHS is better off in Labour hands crap. All 3 party manifesto's shit on the NHS the difference in funding is £10million i think it was? The NHS released an article saying that all 3 parties are not giving us enough money and the difference in money being given was around £10million or something so low. Yet everywhere u hear is Conservatives are killing the NHS? NHS is not going to be fixed by any government, the whole system is very very broken. My mom works in a Drs surgery and she see's first hand the problems they have which are huge issues from over filled surgeries to lack of Drs/Nurses to get through the programs. From lack of quality of care due to no time and into huge funding issues. This is also NOTHING compared to what every single hospital is suffering from! I would love a fix to be made but no one knows one yet apart from throwing the money towards them that they want which is so much it would require an "NHS tax" basically i think but no party will ever risk that.
The problem is that the tories' policies are actively making it worse and they are blaming it on the staff. There needs to be a massive reduction in overpaid management and way more frontline staff, which is what labour have suggested. The tories seem to be addicted to hiring their friends as director's, paying them huge amounts of taxpayer money and then telling them they need to save that out of the hospital's budget.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
And the proper reasoning behind that is the NHS is leaking money in so many places that they want to sure it up and think it should be able to run on what it's given. Labour just want to throw money no one has to fix the problem that is there thinking HOWEVER with there manifesto and the NHS article they aint giving anywhere near as much either and only an extra huge cash injection of like 12 billion compared to torries for the first year and by 2022 they are all even (all 3 parties that is)
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Well frankly I don't trust anyone to sort the NHS out, but it has gotten so much worse in the last few years I have fully run out of hope with the tories. They just don't seem to have a clue. At least Labour are untested, the tories have been tested and have failed.
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I wouldn't trust Labour seeing as they were the ones who pioneered the use of PFI which is the main cause of NHS debt.
But at least it is better than the Conservatives leaching the NHS money to well connected consultants.
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On June 09 2017 01:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I wouldn't trust Labour seeing as they were the ones who pioneered the use of PFI which is the main cause of NHS debt.
But at least it is better than the Conservatives leaching the NHS money to well connected consultants.
Current Labour is a new(or very old) party though. They aren't particularly connected to the Blair government that did that damage. I'm not saying they'd be great, but at least I know they wouldn't be malevolent.
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Just out of interest, how many of you here make more than £26 / hr pretax gross income and what do you do?
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On June 09 2017 01:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 01:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I wouldn't trust Labour seeing as they were the ones who pioneered the use of PFI which is the main cause of NHS debt.
But at least it is better than the Conservatives leaching the NHS money to well connected consultants. Current Labour is a new(or very old) party though. They aren't particularly connected to the Blair government that did that damage. I'm not saying they'd be great, but at least I know they wouldn't be malevolent. I consider New Old New Labour to be full of Blairites as can be witnessed when Jeremy Corbyn became the leader and their responses to it.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
I dont get why no one attacked him more on the fact that 8 weeks ago no one in labour wanted anything to do with the bloke because they were trying to oust him. Then when election came around they thought was good time to get rid of him, now everyone in labour seems to like him from labour sides.
Will be interesting to see when they lose if he continues or if they all call for him to resign.
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On June 08 2017 19:26 TheDwf wrote:
Any update on participation rate?
Nothing will be said until polls close at 10pm BST. There are strict rules about reporting on election day. Nothing can be said which could in any way influence a person's vote, which includes whether or not they bother to vote by talking about turnout.
I am not sure how the newspapers like The Sun (and The Mirror did a similar one about Theresa May) get away with it. I presume they technically release the newspaper at 11:59 on Wednesday or something tricksy like that.
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On June 09 2017 01:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I wouldn't trust Labour seeing as they were the ones who pioneered the use of PFI which is the main cause of NHS debt.
But at least it is better than the Conservatives leaching the NHS money to well connected consultants.
Labour may have used it more than the Conservatives but it was the Conservatives who used PFI first. According to Wikipedia;In 1992 PFI was implemented for the first time in the UK by the Conservative government of John Major.
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On June 09 2017 04:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
My mistake then.
I believe Labour used it much more than the Conservatives so it became more known under Labour and most of the PFI problems for the NHS were because of Labour. In spirit you were right.
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Estimates on the time results are known?
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United States42817 Posts
Telegraph says exit polls will start coming out in about an hour. Results will start coming in around 1am and continue for a few hours. But you'll know the overall swing by about 2am, even if specific seats haven't yet reported.
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On June 09 2017 02:09 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Just out of interest, how many of you here make more than £26 / hr pretax gross income and what do you do?
If you totted up the actual 60+ hours a week I work it would probably be half that rate, but I'm in that bracket. Why do you ask?
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Worth staying up? During the brexit referendum i stayed up until about 1am (aka about two hours from now) and was very surprised there were no reliable forecasts by then. Will it be different this time as the margins will most likely be larger?
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
the exit polls released as the polls close have been pretty spot on for the past 5 elections
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Idk Mafe but i've got the redbull on the go, gonna try to make it till 3-4 at least, should know the swing before then as Kwark said.
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but i prop it up with other activities so i don't mind to much! 
