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bardtown
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LightSpectra
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bardtown
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Now I've made myself hungry, so checking out for a while. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
And no the car industry information is not rumoured. It's basic logic to start with. They have the plants, the company is not owned by the UK, why would they continue? And it has been published in a Dutch paper. It has only been cited as a rumour in the English ones. I suppose you must be giddy with yourself to now be fighting with 5 people simultaneously, it's your proverbial wet dream. In response to your idiotic retweets, there was earlier a link to someone who voted Brexit over banana shapes. There have been constant racist interviewees, all you need to do is a google search. It's not even that you're just a deluded Brexiteer it's that your a goddamn torry deluded Brexiteer which is just so.. pathetic; actually able to convince yourself that most people voted out of anything more than emotion. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10842 Posts
I am actually kinda symphatetic to the "brexit", having controll over immigration is important. But the UK tries to do it in such a blunt way... I just don't see how the EU can do a "nice" deal hiteout undermining itself. Oh, and yes, it was a direct vote... but there is a reason it doesn't work like that in Switzerland. To do a true hard brexit you should have a 65%+ majority. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On March 01 2017 02:33 MyTHicaL wrote: Can you attempt to paint yourself as any more English? Comparing a momentous ill-informed public vote to a full breakfast? And no the car industry information is not rumoured. It's basic logic to start with. They have the plants, the company is not owned by the UK, why would they continue? And it has been published in a Dutch paper. It has only been cited as a rumour in the English ones. I suppose you must be giddy with yourself to now be fighting with 5 people simultaneously, it's your proverbial wet dream. In response to your idiotic retweets, there was earlier a link to someone who voted Brexit over banana shapes. There have been constant racist interviewees, all you need to do is a google search. It's not even that you're just a deluded Brexiteer it's that your a goddamn torry deluded Brexiteer which is just so.. pathetic; actually able to convince yourself that most people voted out of anything more than emotion. Citations (and less petty personal attacks) needed. Note: it is a rumour, as the decision will not be made until the end of the year. On March 01 2017 02:44 Velr wrote: Prices rising, packet sizes of consumergoods going down.... Yeah, the british economy is steady, but its because average joe is paying the diffrence. I am actually kinda symphatetic to the "brexit", having controll over immigration is important. But the UK tries to do it in such a blunt way... I just don't see how the EU can do a "nice" deal hiteout undermining itself. Oh, and yes, it was a direct vote... but there is a reason it doesn't work like that in Switzerland. To do a true hard brexit you should have a 65%+ majority. There is no other way to do it. We tried to reform freedom of movement and the EU made it clear that this was not an option. This inability to even consider reform was a fundamental factor driving the Leave vote. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Brits made their choice. Tough shit but they did. Should have complained earlier that the rules were unfair if you didn't trust the vote would go in your favor. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2055 Posts
On March 01 2017 03:07 LegalLord wrote: Brits made their choice. Tough shit but they did. Should have complained earlier that the rules were unfair if you didn't trust the vote would go in your favor. Kinda hard to do that when a referendum is proposed by the ruling majority... | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On March 01 2017 03:10 LightSpectra wrote: Kinda hard to do that when a referendum is proposed by the ruling majority... It was backed by the majority of the opposition, too. | ||
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LightSpectra
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bardtown
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
People evidently only like democracy when it produces the "right" outcome. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10842 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On March 01 2017 03:37 Plansix wrote: People who have studied the long history of democracy know about the flaws with the pure majority rule system. Which is why it is rarely used to enact policy. Citation most assuredly needed. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2055 Posts
- The 1975 referendum to join the EU passed with a 2/3rds majority, why does it only take a simple majority to exit? - The question was merely "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There is absolutely no room for nuance in there. How many people voted 'Yes' believing that the UK could stay in the single market and Schengen Area? How many people voted 'Yes' thinking it would be Cameron at the helm? How many people voted 'Yes' because they generally are dissatisfied with the EU but are now panicking at how the negotiations are turning out? - The Leavers are overwhelmingly represented by older people that won't be alive for the long-term ramifications of exiting the EU, how is it fair that they get to bind the young to their decision that hurts the young more than themselves? - The vast amount of misinformation right before the vote is also a cause of concern, most notably the aforementioned claim by Farage that Brexit would open up £350m a week for the NHS, which is now demonstrably false. But yeah, I'm not saying it's solely the Conservatives' fault, everybody who voted for the proposed referendum is at fault here. However, the Tories could repent of that error by holding a second referendum on whether they accept May's negotiations for article 50. On March 01 2017 03:34 LegalLord wrote: No need to pass around blame for enabling a decision that won by popular vote just because you don't like the outcome. People evidently only like democracy when it produces the "right" outcome. Uh, yeah, that's absolutely true! Nobody congratulates the greatness of democracy for allowing Hitler to come to power. Democracy is superior to aristocracy or monarchy, but it needs to be tempered with liberalism and republicanism and socialism, or else it's merely two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
As far as I'm aware, "Brexit but stay in the single market" is mostly a Remainer argument. The Leavers seem to mostly want a hard Brexit. If any Leavers here voted for something other than a hard Brexit please speak up. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2055 Posts
On March 01 2017 03:43 LegalLord wrote: "Yes" being Remain or Leave? As far as I'm aware, "Brexit but stay in the single market" is mostly a Remainer argument. The Leavers seem to mostly want a hard Brexit. If any Leavers here voted for something other than a hard Brexit please speak up. 'Yes' being Leave, sorry if that was unclear. OK, let's suppose there were three options on the Referendum, and it was still FPTP: - Remain - Hard Brexit - Soft Brexit Do you think Remain would've lost in that situation? | ||
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