EPTWhat seems worrying right now is that the North seems to have stopped all drills along the west coast area near border islands after the retaliatory strikes from the South. Either the strikes were direct orders issued from the central government or one of the battery officers had a case of itchy trigger fingers.
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
What seems worrying right now is that the North seems to have stopped all drills along the west coast area near border islands after the retaliatory strikes from the South. Either the strikes were direct orders issued from the central government or one of the battery officers had a case of itchy trigger fingers. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3820 Posts
On March 31 2014 14:03 FromShouri wrote: So wait, does that mean they hit any South Korean cities like the last time in like 2010/2009? When they killed like 4 people. Seems wierd that this is one of the first times the south has gotten any sort of schedule regarding the live fire exercises. They never shelled a city, if they shelled a city there would be no way to stop the escalation. They shelled a small island off the north-west shore, not many people lived there originally. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-south-korea-fire-800-shells-after-fax-kims-regime-n67541 A map of where the ruckus spread: ![[image loading]](https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31.0-8/q71/s720x720/1597290_655361264501880_731918250_o.jpg) Looks like the North really wanted to flex its (non-existent) muscles and got more than it chew. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On March 27 2014 17:04 Theobeo wrote: I want to know something. Does MCDonalds exist in North Korea? Perhaps they wanted to show how well fed the people of DPRK are. I don't think this will turn into anything. It happens around this time every year, doesn't it? Just a bunch of unending posturing on the one front where the Cold War didn't end. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
On March 31 2014 23:20 arb wrote: You guys think NK is gonna mess up and cause a war? No. I think it much more likely china cause a war. And NK goverment follow. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 31 2014 23:37 pebble444 wrote: No. I think it much more likely china cause a war. And NK goverment follow. I don't follow this very closely, but i don't actually remember the last time they traded shots with each other honestly is why i asked | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On March 31 2014 23:37 pebble444 wrote: No. I think it much more likely china cause a war. And NK goverment follow. China cant cause a war can they?? Who would buy all their chinese goods then? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 01 2014 00:51 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: China cant cause a war can they?? Who would buy all their chinese goods then? Depends what war they caused, but if they screwed with SK, they'd have to deal with heavy sanctions. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On April 01 2014 00:54 Djzapz wrote: Depends what war they caused, but if they screwed with SK, they'd have to deal with heavy sanctions. I was under the impression that they'd be more likely to take action (not necessarily war) against North Korea than South Korea. Buffer state is nice and NK is good business, but it's just too unpredictable to be a reliable partner. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On April 01 2014 10:16 Warlock40 wrote: I was under the impression that they'd be more likely to take action (not necessarily war) against North Korea than South Korea. Buffer state is nice and NK is good business, but it's just too unpredictable to be a reliable partner. NK is predictably unpredictable therefore an unreliable partner. No one wants war. The instigator of war are those who lose first. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 31 2014 23:20 arb wrote: You guys think NK is gonna mess up and cause a war? The situation from a pure-power point of view is that North Korea is insanely weak and would collapse within a week of the start of a War. The issue is, because of their basic munitions, they could Shell all the way to Seoul. You're looking at a civilian casualty toll over 1 million, deaths probably in the 100k range on the South Korean side. Massive damage to their infrastructure and years & lots of money to rebuild. Plus, they'd have to now deal with a North Korea either under their control, under Chinese control or under USA control. Which, as horrific as those numbers of deaths for South Koreans would be, is actually the biggest problem. You have a country of 25 million, with a significant portion of that being exceptionally malnourished, yet brought up on a diet of pure propaganda. It would take in excess of 100 years for North Korea to be rebuilt enough for reunification similar to Germany to happen. It's a Hell Hole's Hell Hole, which is why unless there's 0 other option, no war will be started by South Korea. Pretty much they'd have to shell Seoul before it's happening. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On April 01 2014 00:51 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: China cant cause a war can they?? Who would buy all their chinese goods then? On April 01 2014 00:54 Djzapz wrote: Depends what war they caused, but if they screwed with SK, they'd have to deal with heavy sanctions. China is increasingly coming into a position where it would be self-destructive and straight-up stupid for any country to sanction China, especially "heavily". Yeah sure, maybe you hurt China, but other countries get hurt a lot too. Many countries depend heavily on Chinese manufacturing and investment in China. China also holds a fair amount of foreign debt of some countries, especially the US. How that would play a role in hypothetical tension, it's hard to say. But as China gains more and more leverage in terms of economics and other affairs, the stupider it will be to impose "heavy sanctions" against them as anyone. Personally I'm not exactly fond of this growing threat to American interests and the American order, but to imply that it can be dealt with easily, a la "heavy sanctions", is ludicrous. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 01 2014 10:57 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: China is increasingly coming into a position where it would be self-destructive and straight-up stupid for any country to sanction China, especially "heavily". Yeah sure, maybe you hurt China, but other countries get hurt a lot too. Many countries depend heavily on Chinese manufacturing and investment in China. China also holds a fair amount of foreign debt of some countries, especially the US. How that would play a role in hypothetical tension, it's hard to say. But as China gains more and more leverage in terms of economics and other affairs, the stupider it will be to impose "heavy sanctions" against them as anyone. Personally I'm not exactly fond of this growing threat to American interests and the American order, but to imply that it can be dealt with easily, a la "heavy sanctions", is ludicrous. I'm not saying it would be a simple matter by any means, but if China started tinkering with South Korea, the situation would get tense quickly. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
At least, that's how I see it anyways. I could be wrong for all we know  .In other news, a UAV reportedly crashed into Baengnpyong island not long after the barrage began: Unidentified drone crashed on South Korean border island: military (Reuters) - An unmanned drone crashed on a South Korean island near a disputed maritime border with North Korea, a South Korean defense ministry official said on Tuesday, triggering an investigation into whether the aircraft was from the North. The drone fell on Baengnyeong island at about 4 p.m. on Monday, when North Korea fired hundreds of artillery rounds in seas close to a disputed maritime line. That triggered a similar show of strength from South Korea in response. The South Korean military was trying to verify where the drone had come from and what its purpose might have been, and was also looking into any possible link to North Korea's espionage operations, the military official told Reuters. The official, who asked not to be identified, did not give any further details. ..... Yonhap News Agency, quoting an unidentified South Korean government official, reported that the drone was 2-3 meters (7-10 feet) long and comprised a Japanese engine and Chinese parts, as well as a small camera. ..... Source Probably trying to map out the island's garrisons. If this report turns out to be true, then you can pretty much say that this definitely wasn't some routine "firing drill". EDIT: It was definitely scouting around for intel. So far it seems to have taken images of DMZ regions, so it travelled quite the distance. ..... Yonhap said the shape and size of the drone found on Baengnyeong island was similar to that recovered last month near the northern city of Paju, close to the land border with the North. The Paju drone had a triangular wing with a 6.3 feet span, the agency quoted a government source as saying. Its gas-powered engine was made in Japan and other parts were Chinese. According to the government source, it had a camera that had taken aerial shots of the national highway from Paju to Seoul and the presidential Blue House in the capital. Source The drone in question: ![[image loading]](http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02868/south-korea-drone_2868595b.jpg) | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/MQ-9_Reaper_CBP.jpg/300px-MQ-9_Reaper_CBP.jpg) But then I realized we were in the North Korea thread and then I was thinking ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Align_Trex_250_RC_Helicopter_flying_inverted.jpg/220px-Align_Trex_250_RC_Helicopter_flying_inverted.jpg) | ||
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Yourmomsbasement
Canada87 Posts
On April 01 2014 23:46 TheFish7 wrote: When you wrote UAV at first I was thinking But then I realized we were in the North Korea thread and then I was thinking HAHAHA Well played! Thankfully only one of those could really be used offensively, but intel is power. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
According to the government source, it had a camera that had taken aerial shots of the national highway from Paju to Seoul and the presidential Blue House in the capital. this greatly disturbs me :s the last time something similar happened, my relatives in korea were still okay but now... :/ so worrisome. | ||
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Grettin
42384 Posts
Japan orders military to strike any new North Korea missile launches TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan has ordered a destroyer in the Sea of Japan to strike any ballistic missiles that may be launched by North Korea in the coming weeks after Pyongyang fired a Rodong medium-range missile over the sea, a government source said on Saturday. Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera issued the order on Thursday, but did not make it public in order to avoid putting a chill on renewed talks between Tokyo and Pyongyang, the first in more than a year, local media reported earlier. "The defense minister made the order from April 3rd through to the 25th to prepare for any additional missile launches," the source said. Onodera, the source said, did not deploy Patriot missile batteries that would be the last line of defense against incoming warheads. Media reports said the North Korean-Japanese talks in Beijing this week broke no new ground, but ended with an agreement for further meetings. The firing of the Rodong coincided with a meeting in The Hague between U.S. President Barack Obama and the leaders of South Korea and Japan and followed a series of short-range rocket launches. The launch appeared to be a show of defiance by North Korea. The missile fell into the sea after flying 650 km (400 miles), short of a maximum range thought to be some 1,300 km. Japanese Aegis destroyers in the Sea of Japan are equipped with advanced radar equipment able to track multiple targets and carry missiles designed to take out targets at the edge of space. Source | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Japan orders military to strike any new North Korea missile launches With respect, this title is misleading I think. Japan has issued the order to shoot down missiles, your title implies that the strike would be aimed at where they launch from - 'missiles launches,' rather than launched missiles. Quite a big difference! Interesting development though. Hopefully they won't miss the missiles otherwise they might end up with egg on their faces. | ||
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