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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2016 17:25 GMT
#85081
On July 13 2016 02:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Donald Trump chided Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in a Tuesday interview with The New York Times after she gave multiple comments that were highly critical of his campaign.

“I think it’s highly inappropriate that a United States Supreme Court judge gets involved in a political campaign, frankly,” Trump told the Times by phone. “I think it’s a disgrace to the court and I think she should apologize to the court. I couldn’t believe it when I saw it.”

Ginsburg in recent days has ramped up her criticisms of Trump's campaign. She has said he's a "faker" who should release his tax returns, that she "can't imagine" a Trump presidency, and that "everything" would be up for grabs with him occupying the White House. Ginsburg's comments are unique in that a Supreme Court justice typically doesn't comment on presidential candidates during election season.

Trump went on to say that it was "beneath the court" for Ginsburg to criticize him and argued that her comments would only further energize his supporters.

"And I would hope that she would get off the court as soon as possible,” he added.


Source

Trump is not prepare for the Notorious RBG. She will die in that office before she lets Trump replace her.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43271 Posts
July 12 2016 17:26 GMT
#85082
On July 13 2016 02:23 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:
That's not how I recall it. I recall her washing her hands of the matter weeks, if not months, before she met Clinton.

Nope. Here is a completely biased Democrat source:

Show nested quote +
Donald Trump has seized on the incident as an example of the Clintons’ fundamental corruption. John Cornyn, the second-ranking Republican in the Senate, has called for Lynch to appoint a special counsel to run the investigation and remove herself from the process. Even Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) has said the meeting sent "the wrong signal" (he later dialed back his criticisms).

And now Lynch herself has felt the need to announce that she will accept whatever recommendations career prosecutors make as to whether to bring charges related to Clinton's emails. "The recommendations will be reviewed by career supervisors in the Department of Justice and in the FBI, and by the FBI director, and then as is the common process, they present it to me and I fully expect to accept their recommendations," she said at an event in Aspen. As for the meeting with Bill Clinton, Lynch said, "I certainly wouldn't do it again."


http://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12079366/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch-plane-meeting

Ms. Lynch said she had decided this spring to defer to the recommendations of her staff and the F.B.I. because her status as a political appointee sitting in judgment on a politically charged case would raise questions of a conflict of interest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/us/politics/loretta-lynch-hillary-clinton-email-server.html

She explained her reasoning for accepting their recommendations after the meeting. She decided months before.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6319 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:30:04
July 12 2016 17:26 GMT
#85083
On July 13 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:16 zeo wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:13 KwarK wrote:
Didn't Lynch wash her hands of the entire matter by stating that as a political appointee she wanted to avoid the appearance of partiality in order to place the outcome above all doubt and that she would therefore comply with whatever the FBI recommended? If so, why the hell is she being questioned? She wasn't even involved because she knew that they'd do exactly this bullshit.

She talked with Bill Clinton before she came to that conclusion. You know the same guy that appointed her as a US attorney in 1999

So you're suggesting that Bill Clinton somehow got to her and convinced her to accept the recommendations of the FBI if they found Hillary's actions illegal? Do you think he wants her in prison so he can move one of his mistresses in?

Like what's the theory here? He goes to someone he has influence over and says "I need you not to intervene in my favour"? How would that help Hillary?

I'm saying she had a 20 minute chat with Bill Clinton, then did something highly irregular that in the end helped Clinton's wife. Enough to call her in for a chat no?

She decided months before.


Sure she did mate... but it was a super top secret
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2016 17:28 GMT
#85084
On July 13 2016 02:23 LegalLord wrote:
This hearing is basically a mix of Lynch answering off-topic questions given by Dems and giving non-answers to anything asked by Republicans.

Whether or not this is a Republican witch hunt... it certainly is being given credence by the dodger-in-chief here.

I think this is a standard oversight hearing, not one called by the Republicans. I don't think there is a specific topic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2016 17:29 GMT
#85085
On July 13 2016 02:26 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:16 zeo wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:13 KwarK wrote:
Didn't Lynch wash her hands of the entire matter by stating that as a political appointee she wanted to avoid the appearance of partiality in order to place the outcome above all doubt and that she would therefore comply with whatever the FBI recommended? If so, why the hell is she being questioned? She wasn't even involved because she knew that they'd do exactly this bullshit.

She talked with Bill Clinton before she came to that conclusion. You know the same guy that appointed her as a US attorney in 1999

So you're suggesting that Bill Clinton somehow got to her and convinced her to accept the recommendations of the FBI if they found Hillary's actions illegal? Do you think he wants her in prison so he can move one of his mistresses in?

Like what's the theory here? He goes to someone he has influence over and says "I need you not to intervene in my favour"? How would that help Hillary?

I'm saying she had a 20 minute chat with Bill Clinton, then did something highly irregular that in the end helped Clinton's wife. Enough to call her in for a chat no?

One could choose to believe that. But if they wanted to do something underhanded, why not use a phone?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:31:14
July 12 2016 17:29 GMT
#85086
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43271 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:32:16
July 12 2016 17:31 GMT
#85087
On July 13 2016 02:26 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:18 KwarK wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:16 zeo wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:13 KwarK wrote:
Didn't Lynch wash her hands of the entire matter by stating that as a political appointee she wanted to avoid the appearance of partiality in order to place the outcome above all doubt and that she would therefore comply with whatever the FBI recommended? If so, why the hell is she being questioned? She wasn't even involved because she knew that they'd do exactly this bullshit.

She talked with Bill Clinton before she came to that conclusion. You know the same guy that appointed her as a US attorney in 1999

So you're suggesting that Bill Clinton somehow got to her and convinced her to accept the recommendations of the FBI if they found Hillary's actions illegal? Do you think he wants her in prison so he can move one of his mistresses in?

Like what's the theory here? He goes to someone he has influence over and says "I need you not to intervene in my favour"? How would that help Hillary?

I'm saying she had a 20 minute chat with Bill Clinton, then did something highly irregular that in the end helped Clinton's wife. Enough to call her in for a chat no?

How did publicly refusing to use her power to change the outcome and instead passing the matter to an impartial investigatory body help the Clintons? I'm just not getting it. She was in a position to influence the outcome and even if she didn't use her power people would question the outcome if it didn't go the way they wanted so to avoid even the appearance of impropriety she stated that she would accept the FBI's recommendation. Even if you think Bill was trying to get to her you surely must concede that it backfired completely and forced her into a position where she couldn't do anything to help him, even if she wanted to, or else risk undermining the process.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7918 Posts
July 12 2016 17:31 GMT
#85088
Are we still talking about those emails?

Seriously, lol. How much can the Republican expect to milk every minor scandal they find?

Anyway. Sanders supporters apparently intend at 85% to vote for Clinton so I believe the race is basically over.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6319 Posts
July 12 2016 17:31 GMT
#85089
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ?

There is evidence of widespread corruption in every layer of Obama's administration. 35 years in prison more like when the shit really hits the fan with the Clinton Foundation.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 12 2016 17:32 GMT
#85090
On July 13 2016 02:31 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ?

There is evidence of widespread corruption in every layer of Obama's administration. 35 years in prison more like when the shit really hits the fan with the Clinton Foundation.

You have some source on that ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2016 17:33 GMT
#85091
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.

You and the general public. Something like 80% said it would not influence their vote.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:36:22
July 12 2016 17:35 GMT
#85092
If the Republican party were even somewhat functional as a national entity this would be more than enough to sink Hillary and steamroll to victory. Polls say a majority think she should be charged. But no. Instead they put forward a field in which Trump was the strongest candidate and they somehow thought Jeb Bush would be the winner. And they got hammered for it.

On July 13 2016 02:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.

You and the general public. Something like 80% said it would not influence their vote.

58%

A Washington Post/ABC News poll, released Monday, found that 56% of American adults disapprove of the FBI's decision, while 35% said they approved. But a majority -- 58% -- also said the issue would not affect their vote in the 2016 presidential election.

(from the above source)

History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 12 2016 17:36 GMT
#85093
On July 13 2016 02:32 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:31 zeo wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ?

There is evidence of widespread corruption in every layer of Obama's administration. 35 years in prison more like when the shit really hits the fan with the Clinton Foundation.

You have some source on that ?

wrt to Clinton, Marc Rich
© Current year.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2016 17:39 GMT
#85094
On July 13 2016 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
If the Republican party were even somewhat functional as a national entity this would be more than enough to sink Hillary and steamroll to victory. Polls say a majority think she should be charged. But no. Instead they put forward a field in which Trump was the strongest candidate and they somehow thought Jeb Bush would be the winner. And they got hammered for it.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.

You and the general public. Something like 80% said it would not influence their vote.

58%

Show nested quote +
A Washington Post/ABC News poll, released Monday, found that 56% of American adults disapprove of the FBI's decision, while 35% said they approved. But a majority -- 58% -- also said the issue would not affect their vote in the 2016 presidential election.

(from the above source)


Yeah, I just looked it up and I was off. Sadly I am seeing few stats for independents.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2016 17:42 GMT
#85095
On July 13 2016 02:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
If the Republican party were even somewhat functional as a national entity this would be more than enough to sink Hillary and steamroll to victory. Polls say a majority think she should be charged. But no. Instead they put forward a field in which Trump was the strongest candidate and they somehow thought Jeb Bush would be the winner. And they got hammered for it.

On July 13 2016 02:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.

You and the general public. Something like 80% said it would not influence their vote.

58%

A Washington Post/ABC News poll, released Monday, found that 56% of American adults disapprove of the FBI's decision, while 35% said they approved. But a majority -- 58% -- also said the issue would not affect their vote in the 2016 presidential election.

(from the above source)


Yeah, I just looked it up and I was off. Sadly I am seeing few stats for independents.

From what I've seen, the independents are somewhat with the Republicans on this issue in a 60-40 split or so.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7918 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:43:36
July 12 2016 17:43 GMT
#85096
On July 13 2016 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
If the Republican party were even somewhat functional as a national entity this would be more than enough to sink Hillary and steamroll to victory. Polls say a majority think she should be charged. But no. Instead they put forward a field in which Trump was the strongest candidate and they somehow thought Jeb Bush would be the winner. And they got hammered for it.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ? This thing about the email has been discussed for over a year and I've read nothing to really makes me think it has any kind of relevance aside from the fact that Hillary does not handle her email with enough precaution.

You and the general public. Something like 80% said it would not influence their vote.

58%

Show nested quote +
A Washington Post/ABC News poll, released Monday, found that 56% of American adults disapprove of the FBI's decision, while 35% said they approved. But a majority -- 58% -- also said the issue would not affect their vote in the 2016 presidential election.

(from the above source)


Well, out of the 42%, you have probably an immense majority of Republican who will auto answer anything negative to Clinton if given the opportunity.

If you think anyone who is not clearly partisan against Clinton will base their vote on an obscure email server mishandling, you are seriously, seriously, seriously delusional. At that point, no one remotely liberal gives a fuck about those emails, and everyone sees that this fake scandal is ridiculously and artificially inflated.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6319 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:48:05
July 12 2016 17:43 GMT
#85097
On July 13 2016 02:32 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:31 zeo wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:29 WhiteDog wrote:
Give Hillary Clinton a 35 $ ticket and change the subject or what ?

There is evidence of widespread corruption in every layer of Obama's administration. 35 years in prison more like when the shit really hits the fan with the Clinton Foundation.

You have some source on that ?

This is just an example:

Newly released State Department emails help reveal how a major Clinton Foundation donor was placed on a sensitive government intelligence advisory board even though he had no obvious experience in the field, a decision that appeared to baffle the department’s professional staff.

The emails further reveal how, after inquiries from ABC News, the Clinton staff sought to “protect the name” of the Secretary, “stall” the ABC News reporter and ultimately accept the resignation of the donor just two days later.

abcnews.go.com

Give money to Bill, get favors from Hill. For instance, Russia gained control of 25% of American uranium production thanks to Hillary Clinton getting paid $3 million by Rosatom

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

edit: Just google Clinton Foundation

edit2: Actually the Russian government and other foreigners gave more than 145 million to the Clinton Foundation, my bad. And its 20% of uranium.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:46:41
July 12 2016 17:45 GMT
#85098
On July 13 2016 02:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Anyway. Sanders supporters apparently intend at 85% to vote for Clinton so I believe the race is basically over.


Another poster offered betting me a 90-day ban over this a couple weeks ago so I assume this is allowed.

I'm confident Trump is going to beat Hillary in November.

If Trump loses to Hillary, then I will accept a 90-day ban.
If Hillary loses to Trump, then you accept a 90-day ban.

If either isn't one of the candidates in November for any reason (Trump gets assassinated, Hillary is indicted etc etc) the bet is null and void.

Willing to bet on this?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43271 Posts
July 12 2016 17:46 GMT
#85099
On July 13 2016 02:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Anyway. Sanders supporters apparently intend at 85% to vote for Clinton so I believe the race is basically over.


Another poster offered betting me a 90-day ban over this a couple weeks ago so I assume this is allowed.

I'm confident Trump is going to beat Hillary in November.

If Trump loses to Hillary, then I will accept a 90-day ban.
If Hillary loses to Trump, then you accept a 90-day ban.

If either isn't one of the candidates in November for any reason (Trump gets assassinated, Hillary is indicted etc etc) the bet is null and void.

Willing to bet on this?

I will take this.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:48:04
July 12 2016 17:46 GMT
#85100
On July 13 2016 02:46 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 13 2016 02:31 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Anyway. Sanders supporters apparently intend at 85% to vote for Clinton so I believe the race is basically over.


Another poster offered betting me a 90-day ban over this a couple weeks ago so I assume this is allowed.

I'm confident Trump is going to beat Hillary in November.

If Trump loses to Hillary, then I will accept a 90-day ban.
If Hillary loses to Trump, then you accept a 90-day ban.

If either isn't one of the candidates in November for any reason (Trump gets assassinated, Hillary is indicted etc etc) the bet is null and void.

Willing to bet on this?

I will take this.


LOL is that possible for a mod?

great I accept the deal then with Kwark

Bill if you're down too I'll still bet you

So the only difference is if I lose it goes up to a 180 day ban for me.
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