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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 06 2013 02:36 GMT
#281
On May 06 2013 10:50 On_Slaught wrote:
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On May 06 2013 10:21 UdderChaos wrote:
Just saw this movie, and i thought it was pretty bad. I really liked the iron man series, yes the second movie wasn't as good as the first, but the overall series so far was brilliant. This movie sucked. They spent most of the start of the film building up the Mandarin, only to turn out to be the butt of a joke. This was hilarious but completely out of place, and ruined the movie imo. Why develop a villain for a large part of the movie only to become a joke, this isn't a comedy, and it didn't work. Next the movie spent a lot of time on things that i didn't really care about, such as the kid storyline. This was pointless and didn't really serve a proper purpose, and any relationship or human side supposed to be shown was underdeveloped.

Basically there was too many storylines that were undeveloped, this was the main pitfall of the film. An example was the botanist girl, she was actually a good storyline, but she didn't have enough screen time despite being the most interesting character after tony stark. Then there was the theme of him creating villains, this was a nice one, but this wasn't explored at all. It was mentioned in one line and then sort of left there like a metaphorical letter on the table, unopened. The same could be said about the other interesting line "you gave me the best gift of all, desperation" or something along that line. Really nice concept too, but then why was it just mentioned and not explored at all? We also didn't see any real transformation of the villain even when he was revealed, or any proper explanation of his motives. In fact he was almost forgettable, especially as you didn't think he the main enemy for a lot of the film.

Then there was Tony's anxiety attacks, the events of the avengers and the strain it caused on him an peppers relationship, with the added effect of his obsessive personality. This was at least given a bit of time and was a nice theme. It seemed that he was ignoring it, and then he started to loose pepper through his own actions and perhaps in the love interest of the villain. It look set up to be really interesting if tony had stayed "dead", allowing long enough for pepper to be swooned by this villain, with her anger at him not telling her of his death and the problems in the relationship already established, this crisis in character would have been great. Instead, like the mandarin, the strain of ther relationship was given screen time, only be deemed irrelevant. Considering so much of the story was not developed, it was ridiculous to spend so much time on this "internal crisis" and fake villain that didn't even need to be in the film. As soon as tony was supposedly killed with pepper there it forced her to make a choice between being a heartless bitch or caring that he died. Before she could get over the human reaction of being upset even if someone you've fallen out with for valid reasons dies, and remember what she was angry about, Tony is told to her to be alive. So what you might ask?, well this scene of the house destruction not only destroyed the house, but everything that had happened in the film up to that point plot wise. It didn't serve any meaningful purpose, it showed the mandarin meant business, but he turns out to be a fraud. And it completely nullifies the "im loosing pepper" plot line that so much time is spent on, through his death and then not death make pepper realise how much she really cares,and so she is no longer angry at him because she is happy he is just alive. This then distracts from the ending scene of him blowing up the suits, its meaning was destroyed with Tony's house. She already forgave him an hour or so ago in the film. Basically it's as if the writers realise that a lot of good films have the protagonist have an internal conflict, so they thought they better but a half arsed one in there, without understanding at all how this plot device works. or why to use it. Then we had the iron patriot plot-line, again undeveloped, didn't care about this guy, despite being in the previous film, don't know what purpose he really served other than taking up screen-time that desperately needed to be spent elsewhere, another unnecessary plot-line. The healing agent, again not fully explained, or explored, why did it need to blow people up as well? did this exploding part really add to the movie? What the actual fuck am i watching, why are people glowing orange healing and then exploding?

Then there was the pointless characters, the girl and the guy who tried to kill Tony, who had the healing shit, more unnecessary crap in the movie without a purpose. Their only purpose perhaps was to provide a "cool" action scene for the 3D cinema. And then the action scenes, oh dear. The fight at the end with the suits was horrible, confusing and boring. Oh and predictable, i mean seriously pepper gets injected with healing serum then dies 2 minutes later at the end of the film, and Tony is backed against a wall, wonder what happens next, oh heavens!, the suspense! And then the lame ending, so hes not going to be iron man now because hes decided to spend time on his wife, right. So she is so selfish she is happy to see him destroy a weapon that helps defend the helpless people of earth from aliens and other powerful things that we cant even imagine that clearly want to hurt us on a regular basis. What kind of physco women is she? Not to mention the utter crap of suspense of disbelief required in this film. Its a superhero movie, so you need to give it a good dose of lean-way when it comes to the ridiculous, but this film really took the piss. Even if this was a great movie, I'd let it slide but say it was a glaring issue with the movie. It was noticeably worse than the other iron man movies in terms of silly crap that made zero sense in about 19 different ways.

The only saving grace was that Robert Downey junior played it well, probably his better performance as ironman. They certainly kept the tone of iornman well, but perhaps to its detriment? The series has always been a bit self-satirising and quirky, with a large dose of humour. But it seems that there was nothing other than that to this film, because the convoluted terrible plot failed, along with most of the supporting characters.


2 things. First, these ARE comedies. Action-comedies define the Marvel movies. Second, he isn't quitting Iron Man. He is just cutting back on his obsessive need to constantly build more, hence him destroying them at the end. He will still have a few suits and will still be Iron Man for all intensive purposes. Hell, he even says that he is still Iron Man as the movie ends.


There's a couple of things going on with the ending.

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1) It actually gave Tony Stark's character an arc, and addresses the outstanding issue of why Tony just doesn't get open heart surgery already. The reactor in his chest represented a character flaw or crutch that finally got resolved.

2) It more importantly gave Marvel 'an out,' in the event that they want to continue the Iron Man series without Robert Downey Jr. RDJ is getting older and I'm sure at some point he's going to get tired of making the same fucking movie every two years.


One of the big problems with the movie is the marketing. They ads make it look like a sombre, super-serious finale to a trilogy, similar to Dark Knight Rises, with a villain that finally puts Tony Stark to the test. "Do you want an empty life or a meaningful death."

Warning: The movie is almost the exact opposite of that. It is a goofy action comedy with funny one-liners. In a weird way, the marketing makes the plot twist much more effective and unexpected, but I can certainly understand why it would piss off hardcore comic or Iron Man fans.


Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 03:13:03
May 06 2013 03:12 GMT
#282
The ending:

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I took it much less literally than people seem to be, and just him suggesting that he's going to reinvent the iron-man technology, so that there isn't a need for a "suit", like the "current" ones he was using. AKA ermagerd suits under mah skins. and yay character growth bla bla bla
Coppermantis
Profile Joined June 2012
United States845 Posts
May 06 2013 03:33 GMT
#283
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Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 03:46:27
May 06 2013 03:46 GMT
#284
On May 06 2013 12:33 Coppermantis wrote:
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Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?


+ Show Spoiler +
He's jealous of Tony and wants power. That's it. He's a pretty pathetic villain.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 06 2013 04:13 GMT
#285
On May 06 2013 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 12:33 Coppermantis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?


+ Show Spoiler +
He's jealous of Tony and wants power. That's it. He's a pretty pathetic villain.

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe it to be slightly more elaborate than that: He wants to be significant in this world. Remember where he explained Tony about how he waited on the roof, the first 20 minutes actually thinking Tony would show up, the next couple of hours debating if he should take the "1-step shortcut to the lobby" and as he did that he realized that his death would not have any sort of impact on the world and he would be completely forgotten. I that was the first spark of motivation and how do you get influence as a puppeteer? You put your men in places of power (the vice-president) and control their actions until you are ready to reveal yourself.

Whilst definitely not the best villain in recent movies I think that is sadly one of the flaws of Iron Man and to be honest I think his motivations holds water. Heck that is one of the things that drives me as a person: I want to leave a (positive :p ) imprint on this world. I will say I think he was rather idiotic though, but there were plenty of inexplicable things in the movie.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 04:25:24
May 06 2013 04:24 GMT
#286
On May 06 2013 13:13 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On May 06 2013 12:33 Coppermantis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?


+ Show Spoiler +
He's jealous of Tony and wants power. That's it. He's a pretty pathetic villain.

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe it to be slightly more elaborate than that: He wants to be significant in this world. Remember where he explained Tony about how he waited on the roof, the first 20 minutes actually thinking Tony would show up, the next couple of hours debating if he should take the "1-step shortcut to the lobby" and as he did that he realized that his death would not have any sort of impact on the world and he would be completely forgotten. I that was the first spark of motivation and how do you get influence as a puppeteer? You put your men in places of power (the vice-president) and control their actions until you are ready to reveal yourself.

Whilst definitely not the best villain in recent movies I think that is sadly one of the flaws of Iron Man and to be honest I think his motivations holds water. Heck that is one of the things that drives me as a person: I want to leave a (positive :p ) imprint on this world. I will say I think he was rather idiotic though, but there were plenty of inexplicable things in the movie.


+ Show Spoiler +
That is how I saw it as well, but I think he did have some motivation to help man kind for good. When he met with Pepper in the beginning to show off his research and experiment. He showed a presentation of how the human brain has space to grow. He wanted mankind to evolve. The problem is that Extremis was not stable and it reacts differently for each person. Some will not accept and it causes them to blow up such as the soldier in Tennessee while others such as Savin and Brandt become violent assassins. Pepper was able to control it to a degree when she had the urge to kill Killian. Killian looked like he was one of the few that was able to control it while not being so pissed off. Again, this goes back to why he wanted Stark Industry to fund his project, so he can work out the kinks.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 06:12:34
May 06 2013 06:12 GMT
#287
On May 06 2013 13:24 zoLo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 13:13 Ghostcom wrote:
On May 06 2013 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On May 06 2013 12:33 Coppermantis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?


+ Show Spoiler +
He's jealous of Tony and wants power. That's it. He's a pretty pathetic villain.

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe it to be slightly more elaborate than that: He wants to be significant in this world. Remember where he explained Tony about how he waited on the roof, the first 20 minutes actually thinking Tony would show up, the next couple of hours debating if he should take the "1-step shortcut to the lobby" and as he did that he realized that his death would not have any sort of impact on the world and he would be completely forgotten. I that was the first spark of motivation and how do you get influence as a puppeteer? You put your men in places of power (the vice-president) and control their actions until you are ready to reveal yourself.

Whilst definitely not the best villain in recent movies I think that is sadly one of the flaws of Iron Man and to be honest I think his motivations holds water. Heck that is one of the things that drives me as a person: I want to leave a (positive :p ) imprint on this world. I will say I think he was rather idiotic though, but there were plenty of inexplicable things in the movie.


+ Show Spoiler +
That is how I saw it as well, but I think he did have some motivation to help man kind for good. When he met with Pepper in the beginning to show off his research and experiment. He showed a presentation of how the human brain has space to grow. He wanted mankind to evolve. The problem is that Extremis was not stable and it reacts differently for each person. Some will not accept and it causes them to blow up such as the soldier in Tennessee while others such as Savin and Brandt become violent assassins. Pepper was able to control it to a degree when she had the urge to kill Killian. Killian looked like he was one of the few that was able to control it while not being so pissed off. Again, this goes back to why he wanted Stark Industry to fund his project, so he can work out the kinks.



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I think someone mentions it in the movie, but part of the reason why Killian is keen on developing Extremis and why he believes it has a future is because of the events of the Avengers. The world is still recovering and trying to adjust to a reality with superheroes, gods and earth and aliens, and Extremis is seen as a way of evening the playing field.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 06 2013 08:04 GMT
#288
On May 06 2013 06:51 ZackAttack wrote:
I was really hyped about this movie because I thought the avengers was awesome, but I really didn't like this movie. There were plot holes like crazy. My biggest problem was that the whole movie he is struggling with a crappy suit, and trying to get by with a broken down beta-suit. Then at the end he's like, "lol I had 30 more suits I pretended I didn't have the whole time". Why didn't he ever use any of those? Also, where the fuck was Captain America? It is fine to not have in in the movie but at least mention why he is suspiciously absent from a fight that he obviously should be a part of.

Erg... Come on man...
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The "30 more suits" he had were not finished yet. They were being worked on under his lab, and the suit he was struggling with was the live protocol that he was using to test the technology.
That's what I saw at least. But the part of your post that I'm really unsatisfied with is the Captain America bit. Ofc he's not there.... He's living his own life and isn't being personally attacked by one of his personal enemies. The movies story line doesn't take place over a huge course of time either. Why would Captain America search aimlessly for an Iron Man that is thought to be dead, just so he can save/help him? Also, how would he have intel on the antagonist when all of his information was under the radar to literally everyone. How do you expect him to butt in with literally 0 information on ANYTHING....


On May 06 2013 12:33 Coppermantis wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Perhaps I missed something, but I didn't really understand the villain's motive. He has this badass army of superhumans, sets up a bunch of bombings, steals the Iron Patriot and tries to execute the president, but what was his reason?

+ Show Spoiler +
Because it would give him the presidency, thus giving him everything. He would own the United States, and he would own the weapons market. Pretty much what Stark Enterprises had before, except having literal control over the government rather than just being their sole weapons providers.

He was a scientist ya? What he wants is to share his "greatest invention", but nobody would buy it, so he was going to take control so that he wouldn't need anyone to buy it. He would just order everyone to use it without having any other options.



Overall though, I'm very displeased with the plot of the movie. Seemed they were too focused on other things that the plot wasn't payed attention to enough. Aside from that, the movie was pretty good.
I can say that I enjoyed the movie. I really did...

But it wasn't great, and I wanted it to be great. The series deserved a better 3rd movie than a "pretty good movie that I'd watch". It was entertaining, but not thorough.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 06 2013 08:22 GMT
#289
^ Pretty sure Captain America would be called in + Show Spoiler +
when a terrorist is hacking ever major news channel in USA to threaten the president of the united states and subsequently abducts him - even if he had a personal life of his own. Furthermore it would be out of captain america to NOT look after his friends. The only explanation is that he is occupied somewhere else - for example with the winter soldier.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 06 2013 08:47 GMT
#290
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On May 06 2013 10:21 UdderChaos wrote:
Just saw this movie, and i thought it was pretty bad. I really liked the iron man series, yes the second movie wasn't as good as the first, but the overall series so far was brilliant. This movie sucked. They spent most of the start of the film building up the Mandarin, only to turn out to be the butt of a joke. This was hilarious but completely out of place, and ruined the movie imo. Why develop a villain for a large part of the movie only to become a joke, this isn't a comedy, and it didn't work. Next the movie spent a lot of time on things that i didn't really care about, such as the kid storyline. This was pointless and didn't really serve a proper purpose, and any relationship or human side supposed to be shown was underdeveloped.

Basically there was too many storylines that were undeveloped, this was the main pitfall of the film. An example was the botanist girl, she was actually a good storyline, but she didn't have enough screen time despite being the most interesting character after tony stark. Then there was the theme of him creating villains, this was a nice one, but this wasn't explored at all. It was mentioned in one line and then sort of left there like a metaphorical letter on the table, unopened. The same could be said about the other interesting line "you gave me the best gift of all, desperation" or something along that line. Really nice concept too, but then why was it just mentioned and not explored at all? We also didn't see any real transformation of the villain even when he was revealed, or any proper explanation of his motives. In fact he was almost forgettable, especially as you didn't think he the main enemy for a lot of the film.

Then there was Tony's anxiety attacks, the events of the avengers and the strain it caused on him an peppers relationship, with the added effect of his obsessive personality. This was at least given a bit of time and was a nice theme. It seemed that he was ignoring it, and then he started to loose pepper through his own actions and perhaps in the love interest of the villain. It look set up to be really interesting if tony had stayed "dead", allowing long enough for pepper to be swooned by this villain, with her anger at him not telling her of his death and the problems in the relationship already established, this crisis in character would have been great. Instead, like the mandarin, the strain of ther relationship was given screen time, only be deemed irrelevant. Considering so much of the story was not developed, it was ridiculous to spend so much time on this "internal crisis" and fake villain that didn't even need to be in the film. As soon as tony was supposedly killed with pepper there it forced her to make a choice between being a heartless bitch or caring that he died. Before she could get over the human reaction of being upset even if someone you've fallen out with for valid reasons dies, and remember what she was angry about, Tony is told to her to be alive. So what you might ask?, well this scene of the house destruction not only destroyed the house, but everything that had happened in the film up to that point plot wise. It didn't serve any meaningful purpose, it showed the mandarin meant business, but he turns out to be a fraud. And it completely nullifies the "im loosing pepper" plot line that so much time is spent on, through his death and then not death make pepper realise how much she really cares,and so she is no longer angry at him because she is happy he is just alive. This then distracts from the ending scene of him blowing up the suits, its meaning was destroyed with Tony's house. She already forgave him an hour or so ago in the film. Basically it's as if the writers realise that a lot of good films have the protagonist have an internal conflict, so they thought they better but a half arsed one in there, without understanding at all how this plot device works. or why to use it. Then we had the iron patriot plot-line, again undeveloped, didn't care about this guy, despite being in the previous film, don't know what purpose he really served other than taking up screen-time that desperately needed to be spent elsewhere, another unnecessary plot-line. The healing agent, again not fully explained, or explored, why did it need to blow people up as well? did this exploding part really add to the movie? What the actual fuck am i watching, why are people glowing orange healing and then exploding?

Then there was the pointless characters, the girl and the guy who tried to kill Tony, who had the healing shit, more unnecessary crap in the movie without a purpose. Their only purpose perhaps was to provide a "cool" action scene for the 3D cinema. And then the action scenes, oh dear. The fight at the end with the suits was horrible, confusing and boring. Oh and predictable, i mean seriously pepper gets injected with healing serum then dies 2 minutes later at the end of the film, and Tony is backed against a wall, wonder what happens next, oh heavens!, the suspense! And then the lame ending, so hes not going to be iron man now because hes decided to spend time on his wife, right. So she is so selfish she is happy to see him destroy a weapon that helps defend the helpless people of earth from aliens and other powerful things that we cant even imagine that clearly want to hurt us on a regular basis. What kind of physco women is she? Not to mention the utter crap of suspense of disbelief required in this film. Its a superhero movie, so you need to give it a good dose of lean-way when it comes to the ridiculous, but this film really took the piss. Even if this was a great movie, I'd let it slide but say it was a glaring issue with the movie. It was noticeably worse than the other iron man movies in terms of silly crap that made zero sense in about 19 different ways.

The only saving grace was that Robert Downey junior played it well, probably his better performance as ironman. They certainly kept the tone of iornman well, but perhaps to its detriment? The series has always been a bit self-satirising and quirky, with a large dose of humour. But it seems that there was nothing other than that to this film, because the convoluted terrible plot failed, along with most of the supporting characters.

The Mandarin as it is set up at the start was a joke in itself. I mean, can you get more stereotypical than this guy? How it actually turned out was better :D
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
May 06 2013 08:58 GMT
#291
On May 06 2013 17:22 Ghostcom wrote:
^ Pretty sure Captain America would be called in + Show Spoiler +
when a terrorist is hacking ever major news channel in USA to threaten the president of the united states and subsequently abducts him - even if he had a personal life of his own. Furthermore it would be out of captain america to NOT look after his friends. The only explanation is that he is occupied somewhere else - for example with the winter soldier.


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Agreed. Set photos of the upcoming Captain America sequel shows Captain America and Black Widow rebelling against SHIELD, so we can assume that they were too caught up being on the run and dealing with the Winter Soldier. The US gov't fell for Killian's decoys, so it is not too far off that SHIELD could have fell for them too. Don Cheadle said that he might reprise his role in the Captain America sequel, which gives them a reason to explain more on this topic.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 06 2013 09:03 GMT
#292
On May 06 2013 07:19 Ghostcom wrote:
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On May 06 2013 07:14 GTPGlitch wrote:
On May 06 2013 06:51 ZackAttack wrote:
I was really hyped about this movie because I thought the avengers was awesome, but I really didn't like this movie. There were plot holes like crazy. My biggest problem was that the whole movie he is struggling with a crappy suit, and trying to get by with a broken down beta-suit. Then at the end he's like, "lol I had 30 more suits I pretended I didn't have the whole time". Why didn't he ever use any of those? Also, where the fuck was Captain America? It is fine to not have in in the movie but at least mention why he is suspiciously absent from a fight that he obviously should be a part of.


He couldn't use any of the other suits because + Show Spoiler +
they were fuckin buried underneath the rubble that used to be IM's house. Jarvis explicitly mentions "The cranes have arrived" and they show a scene where the rubble has been removed from the suit hive, then the door opens and badass suit attack occurs.

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Considering how Tony Stark is buried beneath that very same rubble but gets out by Jarvis detaching the glove and the pulling him combined with how well-armed the suits are that is a piss poor explanation.


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It's different rubble. The suits don't fall into the ocean, the hive is still on the hill. Plus, the ocean rubble can be explodered because there's basically just the big piece blocking stark's way out, but if you try to explode a hill and you do it wrong, the hive might fall into the ocean and that would be bad :d
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 10:07:38
May 06 2013 10:06 GMT
#293
You can read a wonderful explanation of the filmmakers and Marvels creative process on the development of the Mandarin courtesy of Entertainment Weekly. In this light, it's definitely the strongest and most interesting decision they could have made with the character.

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“If you were forced to say, ‘who is Iron Man’s greatest foe,’ you’d probably have to say The Mandarin,” says producer and Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. “It’s not because he’s been in a ton of quintessentially classic stories — because he hasn’t been, really. He’s just been around a lot. He just goes back a long, long time.”

The Mandarin made his first appearance in Tales of Suspense #50 in 1964. In the comic book mythology, he was was a Chinese exile who ends up exploring a remote, forbidden valley where he finds the ruins of a crashed alien spaceship. Inside the craft, he discovers ten power rings, each with a different ability, which allow him to unleash havoc on the world.

When Feige and Co. were putting together the first Iron Man movie, it seemed like a natural decision: The villain had to be The Mandarin. They even announced he would be the heavy when they first came to Comic-Con in 2006.

“He was in every Iron Man 1 script until about 10 weeks before we started filming,” says Feige. “He was a contemporary of Tony Stark. He was younger. He was involved in business deals with [Stark.]” This Mandarin was trying to secure Stark’s vast weapons manufacturing resources, and Jeff Bridges’ character — Obadiah Stane, a mentor of Stark’s, would have been a kind of sidekick villain. “We’d have revealed that Obadiah was the mole on the inside,” Feige says. “But it did’t work. It didn’t work.”

So they took it out. And Obadiah Stane was promoted to Public Enemy No. 1, sporting a primitive form of the armor for a final battle as the Iron Monger. “So Mandarin has always been this sort of thing where, ‘Boy, we’d love to do the Mandarin — but thank God we took The Mandarin out of Iron Man 1.”

The Mandarin didn’t make the cut for Iron Man 2 either, with Mickey Rourke’s Whiplash serving as the main heavy instead. Tom Hiddleston’s celestial troublemaker Loki was the prime antagonist in The Avengers. But when it came time to produce Iron Man 3 — what could be the last of the Tony Stark stand-alone films (at least for several years) — they finally decided to pull the trigger on Iron Man’s “greatest” foe.

But there was still a problem.

“Marvel was of a mind … they wanted to know how to do the Mandarin,” Iron Man 3 director and co-writer Shane Black tells
EW.

“Part of it was that we would rather have the Mandarin be of indeterminate ethnicity than the Fu Manchu stereotype that the comic books portrayed, but that’s not the only reason,” Black says. “I wanted to do something that was an interesting story choice, that felt like there was a little bit of satire, that was a little bit about our own fear and our own ways of viewing villains.”

Love or hate it, you can’t deny that what they ultimately did to this version of The Mandarin was a bold and risky choice.

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It was not an easy choice to greenlight, but Marvel chief Feige says it’s sometimes important to break with tradition, even at the risk of alienating some purists. “Shane really had a lot of great ideas about identity and about false faces and about anonymity,” he said.

Black and co-writer Drew Pearce proposed this argument in favor of The Mandarin twist: “What if he’s sort of this all-things-to-all-people uber-terrorist? What if he is the myth, and in the end that is what we’re dealing with, a created myth that [a research group] has perpetuated and cobbled together using elements from popular consciousness,” Black says. “It felt like it said more about the world we live in than just having [Iron Man] fight another terrorist, as opposed to putting a spin on it that said something about the way we view terror, perhaps.”

“What it says to me is, we have to be careful. We want to find villains in the world, but it’s a complex world,” Black adds. “If you’re smart in this world, you’ll rule by proxy because the minute you stick your face out there and assign yourself to the role of international villain you become this symbolic target.”

Was it hard to persuade Marvel to take that leap with one of its classic villains?

“Do they hand me a blank check and say, ‘Go break something!’ Or, ‘Go violate some long-standing comic book treaty that fans have supported for years?’ No, but they’ll say: ‘Let’s break something together,’” Black says. “So it’s okay to come up with these crazy things, these far out ideas … and they’ll fly. It’s just that the Marvel guys have to be in the room.”



http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/04/iron-man-3-mandarin-spoiler/
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 06 2013 23:06 GMT
#294
Just watched the movie, overall really enjoyed since I'm not going into the first big blockbuster of the year expecting a super complex movie with no plot holes etc. Just enjoy it as an action movie with superb animations and the epic one liners of RDJ already make the 12€ I paid for it worth :D

While I watched pretty much every superhero movie of the last decade I gotta admit I'm not really knowledgable when it comes to the comics so maybe someone can explain me abit more about the whole villain thing since I didn't really get man-thing concept. What exactly did the biology girl and killean create there and why can they destroy Stark's suit by only touching it with super heat or even slice through it like it was butter while a punch of a god like Thore barely puts a dent into his suit :D

shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
May 06 2013 23:15 GMT
#295
Saw this flick today. If you go in expecting an action flick with nice effects and some one-liners, then it's a pretty solid flick. Obviously, no deep philosophical lessons to be learned here, but that's not it's purpose. Kept me interested and I have to say that I enjoyed it.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
May 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#296
On May 07 2013 08:06 AsnSensation wrote:
Just watched the movie, overall really enjoyed since I'm not going into the first big blockbuster of the year expecting a super complex movie with no plot holes etc. Just enjoy it as an action movie with superb animations and the epic one liners of RDJ already make the 12€ I paid for it worth :D

While I watched pretty much every superhero movie of the last decade I gotta admit I'm not really knowledgable when it comes to the comics so maybe someone can explain me abit more about the whole villain thing since I didn't really get man-thing concept. What exactly did the biology girl and killean create there and why can they destroy Stark's suit by only touching it with super heat or even slice through it like it was butter while a punch of a god like Thore barely puts a dent into his suit :D



Yea I was wondering this too, normal humans with some virus injected can beat Stark's armor in hand-to-hand? Seems ridiculous to me when it can fight on even footing with Thor (at least for a while). Don't tell me the Extremis virus makes humans even stronger than Asgardians?
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12530 Posts
May 07 2013 03:33 GMT
#297
On May 07 2013 12:19 targ wrote:
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On May 07 2013 08:06 AsnSensation wrote:
Just watched the movie, overall really enjoyed since I'm not going into the first big blockbuster of the year expecting a super complex movie with no plot holes etc. Just enjoy it as an action movie with superb animations and the epic one liners of RDJ already make the 12€ I paid for it worth :D

While I watched pretty much every superhero movie of the last decade I gotta admit I'm not really knowledgable when it comes to the comics so maybe someone can explain me abit more about the whole villain thing since I didn't really get man-thing concept. What exactly did the biology girl and killean create there and why can they destroy Stark's suit by only touching it with super heat or even slice through it like it was butter while a punch of a god like Thore barely puts a dent into his suit :D



Yea I was wondering this too, normal humans with some virus injected can beat Stark's armor in hand-to-hand? Seems ridiculous to me when it can fight on even footing with Thor (at least for a while). Don't tell me the Extremis virus makes humans even stronger than Asgardians?

I do think every super heroes in avengers got their power even-ed out, thor is not as strong, iron man a bit too strong, hulk can be even stronger, he could handle the whole thing himself to be honest.
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SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
May 07 2013 03:47 GMT
#298
At the very end of the movie past the credits there is extra footage

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who is the Dr, and what is his purpose?

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 07 2013 03:48 GMT
#299
On May 07 2013 08:15 shizaep wrote:
Saw this flick today. If you go in expecting an action flick with nice effects and some one-liners, then it's a pretty solid flick. Obviously, no deep philosophical lessons to be learned here, but that's not it's purpose. Kept me interested and I have to say that I enjoyed it.


That's what most generic super hero/comic book movies are like though so I guess it fits the bill.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 07 2013 03:53 GMT
#300
On May 07 2013 12:47 SayGen wrote:
At the very end of the movie past the credits there is extra footage

+ Show Spoiler +
who is the Dr, and what is his purpose?


+ Show Spoiler +
Isn't he the Hulk? That's only what I heard, I didn't actually stay to watch it
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