On September 08 2012 20:40 james5 wrote: Excellent. There is nothing remaining between us and Iran until our companions awaken and understand that we should have announced war on and damaged them ten decades ago.
On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote: Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago.
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What's going on here?
Israeli megaphone or other organized psychological warfare they use to alert supporters to flood a forum with pro-Israel views, probably.
As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
The reason for that is simple, because they haven't.
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
The reason for that is simple, because they haven't.
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
The reason for that is simple, because they haven't.
I guess the United States toppling the democratically elected Iranian government and installing a dictatorship doesn't count? The dictatorship that's unpopularity led to the Islamic Revolution and hence the tensions between Iran and Israel today? Come on.
I'm not surprised John Baird is spewing this shit all over the place, he might be the dumbest neoliberal shill out there. Sharing a city with this guy is a daily grind.
Sometimes Canada's toleration disgusts me. The other day I saw a muslim man stringing his wife ten paces behind him. Nobody says a word. Muslim kids made to stand outside their publics schools while the Canadian national anthem is playing. I spend a lot of time in educational centers as I am working to eventually become a highschool English teacher. The sense of political correctness Canadian citizens seem to feel, specifically in my neighborhood, is mind-boggling.
I vote Green or NDP every year but this is one the very few instances I have an extreme right-wing view on.
- You come to Canada, you learn either French or English. Make it easier for all parties. If I were to move my family to Laos, would you not expect me to learn Lao? Or Thai?
- Develop a sense of appreciation for the (essentially infinite) range of benefits and social services Canada has at its disposal. This is one of the most comfortable, the most safe, the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. Forcing (and teaching) your kids to participate in activities that insult the integrity of the country you chose to live in is out of line.
- Don't abuse the marital system. A vast majority of men and women marry their partners for reasons the marital status isn't meant to be used for. The result? Fucked up middle eastern families that don't love one another; parents having children when they're not fit to be parents in the first place.
- Keep the dogma out of school. Good luck with the whole "Jihad will rule the earth" thing, until then my kids will enjoy an education separate from religion. (Young 7th grade muslim boys being picked up early from school because parents have heard that yes, girls are in fact getting their periods. Better stay away. Shit is impure.)
Maybe it's because I'm mad, or because I'm an atheist. I'm pretty okay with being Islamophobic in general. It's a fucked up way to force other people to live. It's oppressive, it's exploitative to its native young. It's sexist beyond belief. I want to say I have no problem what Islamic people do in their homes, Canadian or otherwise, but the fact of the matter is that's not even true. I do care what kids are taught at home. and If they have a father who teaches kids to leave class every hour to pray for 10 minutes, that's incredibly harmful.
Iran is an axis of evil. It's a Islamic state. A whole totalitarian region of the world where all of these repulsive routines are commonplace. Mandatory. What the fuck does Iran have (other than good hash) to offer Canada? Oh wait, we have some of the best hash in the world here too. So nothing.
Poison of the world people.
RIP Christopher Hitchens (4:55 appearance) The world needed you
LOL, if Iran is an axis of evil than America must be an axis of even bigger evil, haha. The US/Israel/West has no moral high ground here. Iran is not responsible for even a fraction of the evil the former have done.
On September 08 2012 15:56 forestry wrote: Terrorist State/State sponsored Terrorism. Harbouring Terrorists. Funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to Terrorists. Terrorist descent.
In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.
On September 08 2012 15:56 forestry wrote: Terrorist State/State sponsored Terrorism. Harbouring Terrorists. Funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to Terrorists. Terrorist descent.
In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.
Sounds to me like you also descibed Israel.
People to often forget about history which lurks only decades before and then point the finger at the now and not the cause.
Iran's only difference with USA/Israel is that they are public about the support of terrorists. No one seems to remember that American foreign policy has literally placed (including Iran's leadership) dictators into power for their own personal gain which can equate to thousands of deaths.
We should try to stay on topic though with respect to Canada's involvement (since this is a thread on that).
On September 08 2012 15:56 forestry wrote: Terrorist State/State sponsored Terrorism. Harbouring Terrorists. Funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to Terrorists. Terrorist descent.
In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.
Sounds to me like you also descibed Israel.
People to often forget about history which lurks only decades before and then point the finger at the now and not the cause.
Iran's only difference with USA/Israel is that they are public about the support of terrorists. No one seems to remember that American foreign policy has literally placed (including Iran's leadership) dictators into power for their own personal gain which can equate to thousands of deaths.
We should try to stay on topic though with respect to Canada's involvement (since this is a thread on that).
The US is currently sponsoring a terrorist organisation that commits acts of terrorism on Iranian soil.
Also there's a gigantic difference in scale. The US has killed hundreds of thousands of people because of their operations, overthrown legitimate governments, assasinated dozens of important people and caused unrest around the globe.
On the other hand, Iran is sponsoring Hezbollah, which is a group of actual freedom fighters (although I disagree with their methods), and Syria (maybe some other I'm missing). I find the latter questionable, but it's pretty obvious that Israel and the US are using the uprising as a proxy war against Iran.
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote: Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential.
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
The reason for that is simple, because they haven't.
I guess the United States toppling the democratically elected Iranian government and installing a dictatorship doesn't count? The dictatorship that's unpopularity led to the Islamic Revolution and hence the tensions between Iran and Israel today? Come on.
I'm not surprised John Baird is spewing this shit all over the place, he might be the dumbest neoliberal shill out there. Sharing a city with this guy is a daily grind.
Well, let's use the Iran-supporter logic:
The US has never attacked Iran, so it is entirely peacefull towards Iran and has never done anything wrong.
If Hezbollah doesn't count as offensive action taken against Israel, then why would the CIA's operations count as offensive action against Iran?
The Iranian government at this point is little more than an indigenous occupational force, one that will soon see itself shaken off by the people of Iran. At this point, only the theocrats and western-teenagers are still supporting that blight.
Canada not wanting anything to do with a sick regime like Iran's is perfectly fine. The sooner we get Persia back, the better. Then this whole theocratic business can be what it was always supposed to be, a nasty memory.
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote: Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential.
Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen.
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote: Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential.
Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen.
Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land?
On September 08 2012 21:23 Fusa wrote: As a fellow Canadian, I like this decision Iran is showing nothing good as of late ( and always had their sticky fingers in "questionable" organisations )
Yet for some reason Canada retains diplomatic relations with Israel and the US, which have done way more and way worse things. Double standards much?
The responses from some American and Canadian posters in this thread are tragic. Really, they are.
This is probably a good time to bring up the U.S. shakedown of standard chartered haha.
Ok Americans, lets have a think here for a minute. Sixty years ago, a foreign government staged a coup to replace your leader, who was then overthrown. This same foreign government then invades two Countries in very close proximity to you, and funds a nation who wants to destroy you (Israel).
Of course it must be Iran's fault, right?
Right...?
As Zalz mentioned above, the Iranian people want none of this and I they will take back their Country soon. I don't understand why our leaders don't start reaching out to people who are actually representative of a Country rather than its hardline leaders...
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote: Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential.
Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen.
Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land?
Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself.
I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though.
"You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane."
It is the height of collectivist thinking.
They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights?
There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews.
You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground.
EPT
