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On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 22:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil. I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential. Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed. Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen? They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it  Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations.
By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people.
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On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 22:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil. I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential. Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed. Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen? They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people.
40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt.
The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise.
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On September 09 2012 03:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 22:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential. Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed. Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen? They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people. 40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt. The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise.
The violence in Palestine is so one sided I personally hope that the record amount of UN resolutions against Israel to stop their violence against civilian Palestines catches up to them sooner rather than later.
Israeli settlers have killed so many more civilians than the terrorists have. It's ridiculous how they can point fingers at terrorists when their own settlers are butchering civilians.
The Jewish people were a minority but got a majority of the land. That's a fact.
I have nothing against jews, and I couldn't care less about their religion. The foreign policies and the politics in general in the state of Israel is a disgrace to mankind.
The state the Palestinians are in are close to concentration camp-like with no influx of medicine and food. All attempts of bringing supplies in get boarded by Israel on international waters, and sometimes with personnel on the ships as casualties. They precision strike UN camps. They specifically target Red Cross vans as they 'might' be hijacked by terrorists. They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve.
Israel is one of the worst war criminal states on the globe, and I sincerely hope that the UN will finally have the balls to charge key people to show that such behaviour is not acceptable. To me it's unimaginable how you can back such horror with a straight face and say 'oh them arabs are what's causing problems. Tough luck'.
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On September 09 2012 03:54 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:
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Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people. 40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt. The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise. The violence in Palestine is so one sided I personally hope that the record amount of UN resolutions against Israel to stop their violence against civilian Palestines catches up to them sooner rather than later. Israeli settlers have killed so many more civilians than the terrorists have. It's ridiculous how they can point fingers at terrorists when their own settlers are butchering civilians. The Jewish people were a minority but got a majority of the land. That's a fact. I have nothing against jews, and I couldn't care less about their religion. The foreign policies and the politics in general in the state of Israel is a disgrace to mankind. The state the Palestinians are in are close to concentration camp-like with no influx of medicine and food. All attempts of bringing supplies in get boarded by Israel on international waters, and sometimes with personnel on the ships as casualties. They precision strike UN camps. They specifically target Red Cross vans as they 'might' be hijacked by terrorists. They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve. Israel is one of the worst war criminal states on the globe, and I sincerely hope that the UN will finally have the balls to charge key people to show that such behaviour is not acceptable. To me it's unimaginable how you can back such horror with a straight face and say 'oh them arabs are what's causing problems. Tough luck'.
But Iran is the axis of evil!
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On September 09 2012 03:54 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:
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Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people. 40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt. The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise. The violence in Palestine is so one sided I personally hope that the record amount of UN resolutions against Israel to stop their violence against civilian Palestines catches up to them sooner rather than later. Israeli settlers have killed so many more civilians than the terrorists have. It's ridiculous how they can point fingers at terrorists when their own settlers are butchering civilians. The Jewish people were a minority but got a majority of the land. That's a fact. I have nothing against jews, and I couldn't care less about their religion. The foreign policies and the politics in general in the state of Israel is a disgrace to mankind. The state the Palestinians are in are close to concentration camp-like with no influx of medicine and food. All attempts of bringing supplies in get boarded by Israel on international waters, and sometimes with personnel on the ships as casualties. They precision strike UN camps. They specifically target Red Cross vans as they 'might' be hijacked by terrorists. They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve. Israel is one of the worst war criminal states on the globe, and I sincerely hope that the UN will finally have the balls to charge key people to show that such behaviour is not acceptable. To me it's unimaginable how you can back such horror with a straight face and say 'oh them arabs are what's causing problems. Tough luck'.
The rhetoric is always so extremely fanatical and extreme. You would think Israel is enforcing some North-Korean-esque rule.
The truth is that they don't really kill that many Palestinians, and non-sunni muslims have more religious freedom in Israel than they do in most other middle-eastern countries.
You get people talking about concentration camps, apartheid, genocide. It just isn't true.
"They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve."
Just another clear example. Is white phosphorous bad? Yeah, it is, but that isn't enough. It has to disolve men, women and children. Everything has to be ramped up the extreme.
You're an Arab and the coffee machine at Starbucks was broke? APARTHEID! Everything has to be turned up to 11, it is ridiculous.
The problem with actual casualty numbers is the same as in Iraq.
People use whatever counting method they like best. For example, most people will actually use the method of counting every single Palestinian death since the start of Israel. So if a Palestinian guy walks down the road and gets a heart attack, Israel did that.
Why? Because the lefties will argue that the man's heart attack could have been prevented with better healthcare, and he didn't have that because Israel is sitting on the land.
Guy hangs himself? Depression, caused by Israel.
This lets people bump up the numbers to whatever they want it to be. Hell, someone on this forum once claimed that the number of Iraqi casualties was higher than the total population of Iraq.
Actual Palestinians that died as the result of direct violence of Israel? About 10.000 since it's inception.
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On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago.
this is just stoopid.
YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children.
I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure.
every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is.
my 2 cents
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On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents
The Iranians don't really support their government though.
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On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents
You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy.....
You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict.
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On September 09 2012 03:54 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:
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Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed.
Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen?
They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people. 40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt. The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise. The violence in Palestine is so one sided I personally hope that the record amount of UN resolutions against Israel to stop their violence against civilian Palestines catches up to them sooner rather than later. Israeli settlers have killed so many more civilians than the terrorists have. It's ridiculous how they can point fingers at terrorists when their own settlers are butchering civilians. The Jewish people were a minority but got a majority of the land. That's a fact. I have nothing against jews, and I couldn't care less about their religion. The foreign policies and the politics in general in the state of Israel is a disgrace to mankind. The state the Palestinians are in are close to concentration camp-like with no influx of medicine and food. All attempts of bringing supplies in get boarded by Israel on international waters, and sometimes with personnel on the ships as casualties. They precision strike UN camps. They specifically target Red Cross vans as they 'might' be hijacked by terrorists. They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve. Israel is one of the worst war criminal states on the globe, and I sincerely hope that the UN will finally have the balls to charge key people to show that such behaviour is not acceptable. To me it's unimaginable how you can back such horror with a straight face and say 'oh them arabs are what's causing problems. Tough luck'.
The violence is one sided indeed, all comming from the Palestinians. Lets face it the IDF is not attacking schools, cafes and busses at random with the aim of killing as many as possible. Much unlike the Palestinians.
Israeli settlers who kill get to jail, much unlike the terrorists who get blessed with martyr status. Remember the Palestinian man who cracked open a baby skull with his ak47? They gave him a statue and named a street after him!.
The Jewish people got a part of the land, all of Palesitne would include Jordan which was part of the mandate area which became Arab, the Jews got less land then promised but accepted it for the sake of peace. the arabs refused this and only wanted a Arab Apartheid state.
All your whining is pathethic. Hamas uses red cross busses, uses schools as training grounds and mosques as weapon storage sites, but may not attack? You know targets like that lose their status as civilian buildings if they are used for military means.
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On September 09 2012 04:59 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy..... You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict.
He probably meant that Israel was threatening to attack, not invade.
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On September 09 2012 05:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 04:59 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy..... You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict. He probably meant that Israel was threatening to attack, not invade.
Then he is even more clueless, Iran was never any issue to Israel untill it started to funds thousands of Islamic Jihad fighters ( both in Israel, but also in Yemen Iraq and Lebanon) and call for the destruction of the Jewish state by a nuclear attack.
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On September 09 2012 05:07 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 05:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 04:59 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy..... You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict. He probably meant that Israel was threatening to attack, not invade. Then he is even more clueless, Iran was never any issue to Israel untill it started to funds thousands of Islamic Jihad fighters ( both in Israel, but also in Yemen Iraq and Lebanon) and call for the destruction of the Jewish state by a nuclear attack.
So what all the Israeli rhetoric about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities? If thats not threatening to attack what is it then?
Also, regarding your other post i find it ironic when israel complains about terrorism when they were the ones that started it in the middle east, maybe karma is coming back to bite? I think the arabs learned well with the jewish terrorist groups, an interesting article about the use of the same tactics by those groups:
Jews, just like Arabs, hid weapons in immoral places
Haganah,the Irgun, and the Stern Gang, which operated against the British government and the Arabs in Palestine, used similar tactics to those implemented by Arab militants.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/jews-just-like-arabs-hid-weapons-in-immoral-places-1.339432
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On September 09 2012 05:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So what all the Israeli rhetoric about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
so Iran is building nukes to protect themselves against an Israeli attack on their... nuclear facilities...?
what kind of sense does that make?
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On September 09 2012 05:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 05:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So what all the Israeli rhetoric about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
so Iran is building nukes to protect themselves against an Israeli attack on their... nuclear facilities...? what kind of sense does that make?
building nukes to prevent Israel from invading, as a form of deterrence. Which is ASSUMING they actually are building nuclear weapons using their facilities, they claim it's only for energy. Who can tell, all the news sites I've read seem to be biased towards the US and its allies.
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On September 09 2012 05:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 05:07 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 05:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 04:59 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy..... You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict. He probably meant that Israel was threatening to attack, not invade. Then he is even more clueless, Iran was never any issue to Israel untill it started to funds thousands of Islamic Jihad fighters ( both in Israel, but also in Yemen Iraq and Lebanon) and call for the destruction of the Jewish state by a nuclear attack. So what all the Israeli rhetoric about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities? If thats not threatening to attack what is it then? Also, regarding your other post i find it ironic when israel complains about terrorism when they were the ones that started it in the middle east, maybe karma is coming back to bite? I think the arabs learned well with the jewish terrorist groups, an interesting article about the use of the same tactics by those groups: Jews, just like Arabs, hid weapons in immoral placesHaganah,the Irgun, and the Stern Gang, which operated against the British government and the Arabs in Palestine, used similar tactics to those implemented by Arab militants. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/jews-just-like-arabs-hid-weapons-in-immoral-places-1.339432
Correct, point being? The Arabs do it today If a mosque is used to make rockets its a legtimate target.Nobody was saying the Zionists were saints 
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On September 09 2012 05:28 TechTonic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 05:22 sc2superfan101 wrote:On September 09 2012 05:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So what all the Israeli rhetoric about attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
so Iran is building nukes to protect themselves against an Israeli attack on their... nuclear facilities...? what kind of sense does that make? building nukes to prevent Israel from invading, as a form of deterrence. Which is ASSUMING they actually are building nuclear weapons using their facilities, they claim it's only for energy. Who can tell, all the news sites I've read seem to be biased towards the US and its allies.
Iran enriches above a civilian level so its meant to further enriched for nukes.
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On September 09 2012 04:59 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 04:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On September 08 2012 09:50 OsoVega wrote:
Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago. this is just stoopid. YOU would want to have nukes if your neighbor ( Israel ) had some and was threathening to invade. Ofc this is a shitty regime but you cant blame millions of people for trying to secure a future for themselves and their children. I know for a fact that if I was Iranian I'd back my gorvernment's plans to get nukes so we can finally breathe and feel secure. every medal has 2 sides, doesnt matter how thin it is. my 2 cents You do realize that Iran's threats are one sided right? Both nations have a non Arab majority and should cooperate to secure a save future. but Iran funds various Jihad militia's for years, Israel does not do the same. Israel has no way to ''invade Iran'' not even by proxy..... You are just clueless about the entire region and conflict.
Yes, they are one sided. Israel is threatening Iran with an invasion. Iran is not threatening Israel. Israel does not do the same? Then what is Jundallah doing in Iran? Israel has no way to attack Iran? The US has military bases in nearly all countries surrounding Iran, for fuck's sake. Get a clue.
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On September 09 2012 04:05 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:54 Euronyme wrote:On September 09 2012 03:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 02:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 09 2012 02:32 Bahamut1337 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:
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Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. By huge percentage you mean , 20 % 40% 50% 60% ? If there wasn't the need to create an Arab state where was the need found to create an Israeli one when they were just a minority? "even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. " if thats the case the super powers of the time should have thought of a better place to create this state for the Jewish people. 40-60 percent in the entire mandate? sure. the Jews were assigned mostly Jewish majority area's anyway. The entire problem for the Arabs was the idea that infidels were next to them as equals, horrible for Arabs no doubt. The Arabs wanted a islamic Apartheid state and got smacked around in the process, tough luck. I can only hope the world continues to support Israel as global Islamic terrorism is on the rise. The violence in Palestine is so one sided I personally hope that the record amount of UN resolutions against Israel to stop their violence against civilian Palestines catches up to them sooner rather than later. Israeli settlers have killed so many more civilians than the terrorists have. It's ridiculous how they can point fingers at terrorists when their own settlers are butchering civilians. The Jewish people were a minority but got a majority of the land. That's a fact. I have nothing against jews, and I couldn't care less about their religion. The foreign policies and the politics in general in the state of Israel is a disgrace to mankind. The state the Palestinians are in are close to concentration camp-like with no influx of medicine and food. All attempts of bringing supplies in get boarded by Israel on international waters, and sometimes with personnel on the ships as casualties. They precision strike UN camps. They specifically target Red Cross vans as they 'might' be hijacked by terrorists. They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve. Israel is one of the worst war criminal states on the globe, and I sincerely hope that the UN will finally have the balls to charge key people to show that such behaviour is not acceptable. To me it's unimaginable how you can back such horror with a straight face and say 'oh them arabs are what's causing problems. Tough luck'. The rhetoric is always so extremely fanatical and extreme. You would think Israel is enforcing some North-Korean-esque rule. The truth is that they don't really kill that many Palestinians, and non-sunni muslims have more religious freedom in Israel than they do in most other middle-eastern countries. You get people talking about concentration camps, apartheid, genocide. It just isn't true. Show nested quote +"They bomb white phosphorous over one of the densest populated areas in the world, causing men, women and children to dissolve." Just another clear example. Is white phosphorous bad? Yeah, it is, but that isn't enough. It has to disolve men, women and children. Everything has to be ramped up the extreme. You're an Arab and the coffee machine at Starbucks was broke? APARTHEID! Everything has to be turned up to 11, it is ridiculous. The problem with actual casualty numbers is the same as in Iraq. People use whatever counting method they like best. For example, most people will actually use the method of counting every single Palestinian death since the start of Israel. So if a Palestinian guy walks down the road and gets a heart attack, Israel did that. Why? Because the lefties will argue that the man's heart attack could have been prevented with better healthcare, and he didn't have that because Israel is sitting on the land. Guy hangs himself? Depression, caused by Israel. This lets people bump up the numbers to whatever they want it to be. Hell, someone on this forum once claimed that the number of Iraqi casualties was higher than the total population of Iraq. Actual Palestinians that died as the result of direct violence of Israel? About 10.000 since it's inception.
Yeah they're about 10.000. How many died in 9/11 again? oh.. almost 3000. But we don't care about Palestinians and their civilians because they're Arabs right?
Who cares about them having over 3 state sanctioned 9/11s the past years. They have dark skin right, so it's perfectly justified.
Israeli death tolls on the other hand are at about 15% of that.
Besides it's up to the Israeli as an occupational force to supply the Palestinians in accordance with the Geneve convention. Instead they're murdering people trying to bring them medicine and food. Because that's reasonable.
Fact still remains that Israel has received more UN resolutions to stop their violence than all other states in the world combined.
Edit. Forgot to mention - among the other atrocities committed there's the repeated use of human shields: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail
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One day, somebody's gonna have to make a stand. One day, somebody's gonna have to say enough.
That's the general feeling I have when I read bad comments.  This thread is filling with them, Zalz with an uncontrollable bias while on the other side of the spectrum the same bias is saying it's all Israeli.
Some of you guys (not all) need to research a topic before you make such strong statements.
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I think if more people would read what i wrote last page they would see why Canada doing this is a anti war move.
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