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Probably were pushed and heavily rewarded by the US government. They are our biggest trade partner.
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Good. There is nothing left between us and Iran until our allies wake up and realize that we should have declared war on and destroyed them ten years ago.
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What do we actually gain by severing ties with them?
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On September 08 2012 09:50 Roe wrote:
What do we actually gain by severing ties with them?
It does nothing. In fact, I don't think anyone else in the world cares.
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On September 08 2012 09:49 StyLeD wrote:
Probably were pushed and heavily rewarded by the US government. They are our biggest trade partner.
Harper is a shill for Israeli interests, and I'm sure the only reward Canada got for this was a thank you call from Netanyahu.
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It's pretty much all of the UN against Iran at this point, barring maybe Russia as I don't know their stance on it yet.
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I thought Canada severed relations with them when they killed that journalist and then quickly buried her so there would be no autopsy?
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Canada does what the US does and the US does what Israel wants. Or something.
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On September 08 2012 09:54 DrThorMD wrote:
Canada does what the US does and the US does what Israel wants. Or something.
Exactly. I feel that Canada is the US's puppet, especially with this Harper government...
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On September 08 2012 09:54 DrThorMD wrote:
Canada does what the US does and the US does what Israel wants. Or something.
Canada is finally starting to do what is right for Canada and that includes supporting the only country of Western values in an area which is the center of the Jihad against us and our Western allies. For too long all of our military expeditions were self-sacrifical. Peace keeping was a worthless sham and the War in Afhganistan, while initially legitimate, turned into an altruistic nation-building mission which only helped our enemies. Unapologetically ending states who sponsor terrorism against us, attacks on our soldiers over seas and fight outright proxy wars against our allies is the most rational, selfish thing we can do. It should have been done ten years ago. It needs to be done before they aquire nuclear weapons.
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On September 08 2012 09:57 sorrowptoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:54 DrThorMD wrote:
Canada does what the US does and the US does what Israel wants. Or something. Exactly. I feel that Canada is the US's puppet, especially with this Harper government...
Incorrect, we both do what Israel wants.
Perhaps the reason I find this so disturbing is the lack of US fingerprints. The Canadian government truly does unconditionally support Israel, which is shocking, since most Canadians can't even find it on the map.
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On September 08 2012 10:00 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:54 DrThorMD wrote:
Canada does what the US does and the US does what Israel wants. Or something. Canada is finally starting to do what is right for Canada and that includes supporting the only country of Western values in an area which is the center of the Jihad against us and our Western allies. For too long all of our military expeditions were self-sacrifical. Peace keeping was a worthless sham and the War in Afhganistan, while initially legitimate, turned into an altruistic nation-building mission which only helped our enemies. Unapologetically ending states who sponsor terrorism against us, attacks on our soldiers over seas and outright proxy wars against our allies is the most rational, selfish thing we can do.
I have no problem with Canada being Selfish or cutting off diplomatic ties with Iran. It's our resources going to waste following the US into folly arrays, which is usually done with any consultation with the public, that I have a problem with.
Also, please do not call what Al Qaeda does, Jihad. Even though they call their war that themselves. It is incorrect and has nothing to do with proper Islamic Values. Wars based on Greed and Personal Gain are not Jihad.
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On September 08 2012 09:53 seiferoth10 wrote:
It's pretty much all of the UN against Iran at this point, barring maybe Russia as I don't know their stance on it yet.
UN Goal = Turn the middle east into a smoking crater?
Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya , Egypt Mission accomplished.Looks like Syria and Iran are next in the crosshairs.
It wouldn't surprise me if this turns into World War 3.
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Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
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On September 08 2012 10:00 OsoVega wrote:
Canada is finally starting to do what is right for Canada and that includes supporting the only country of Western values in an area which is the center of the Jihad against us and our Western allies. For too long all of our military expeditions were self-sacrifical. Peace keeping was a worthless sham and the War in Afhganistan, while initially legitimate, turned into an altruistic nation-building mission which only helped our enemies. Unapologetically ending states who sponsor terrorism against us, attacks on our soldiers over seas and outright proxy wars against our allies is the most rational, selfish thing we can do.
What are you even saying, you're obviously adding a facetious tone but I just... I just constantly facepalm, please clarify maybe?
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
Arguably the United States is the biggest funding partner to most terrorist organizations although what they define as "terrorism" and "freedom fighters" often tread a fine line such that we get things like Saddam Hussein who is at one point funded by the States and then another condemned for arguably being the same principle with the difference of charging more for oil.
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On September 08 2012 10:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:53 seiferoth10 wrote:
It's pretty much all of the UN against Iran at this point, barring maybe Russia as I don't know their stance on it yet. UN Goal = Turn the middle east into a smoking crater? Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya , Egypt Mission accomplished.Looks like Syria and Iran are next in the crosshairs. It wouldn't surprise me if this turns into World War 3.
Egypt and Libya both apparently had dictators in power that were friendly to the west and Israel I hear(well, gadhafi hated the US, but was ok with Europe).
So...we screwed over dictators that were great allies because our goal is to blow up everything?
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On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
Arguably the United States is the biggest funding partner to most terrorist organizations although what they define as "terrorism" and "freedom fighters" often tread a fine line such that we get things like Saddam Hussein who is at one point funded by the States and then another condemned for arguably being the same principle with the difference of charging more for oil.[/QUOTE]
Hah, and to make things more funny, we funded the MEK and trained them in the US, an organization on the terrorist list and they are Marxist-Leninist. And the training and funding was done by the Republican Administration under Bush.
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On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil.
If a nation initiates force against you by sponsoring terrorist attacks against your citizens, military attacks on your soldiers and outright proxy war against your allies, you don't just hit them back eye for an eye, you have a moral obligation to utterly and completely obliterate them if you have the means. You don't have to openly invade a country in order to be an initiator of force. We have embaroged Iran, killed their scientists and infected their computers. The only thing wrong with this is how pathetically minor these responses have been. We and Iran are not moral equals. The concern of our foreign policy should not be the well being of the citizens of a hostile slave nation. The proper role of government is to protect the rights of it's own citizens and if war is going to occur, it damn well better be on the soil of the slave nation and not our own.
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Doesn't this sort of thing happen quite often?
Belarus recently shut down all diplomatic contacts with Sweden because of Swedish ambassadors pushing too much for democracy. I doubt it was ever more than local news. Probably because no one actually cares about either country, but still. It seems like it's fairly frequent.
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