On September 10 2012 00:37 Bahamut1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:29 Nizaris wrote:On September 08 2012 09:47 blinken wrote:
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
nice try but the US is more of a threat than any1 else in the world. Except the US is not arming thousands of terrorists, or has made any claim or attempt to destroy a nation and its people as Iran has.
Right, they haven't armed terrorists, they have armed the highest budget military on Earth, and haven't claimed to destroy a nation and it's people except that's what they are doing in practice.
If Canada and Mexico were overran by Iran then the US would have the right to strike back. But if I was Iranian and I've lived to see all the neighbouring countries get invaded or their governments made into USA puppets, then I'd swear by having a nuke just to defend ourselves.
On September 09 2012 23:03 zalz wrote:
If anything, it is Israel terrorism, cause Israel is being such a meanie-pants that they are giving these poor Palestinians no other option than to place bombs whose sole goal is to murder as many civillians as possible.
You know, just like how Ghandi was forced to do the same against the British.
So.. you're basically saying if the Palestinians were only to protest peacefully, Israel would be happy hand them over the 1947 borders?
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On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 23:22 ImFromPortugal wrote:On September 08 2012 23:06 zalz wrote:On September 08 2012 22:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda.
“most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.”
“It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,”
Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people.
If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil. I agree. I don't hesitate to say that both Iran and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, and Iran only because of its extremist ideology, not because of its actual military potential. Pretend for a moment that the roles were reversed. Let us say that Israel had a very weak economy and military, and the nations surrounding it were very powerfull. What would happen? They would be running out of trees to hang Jews from, that is what would happen. Or the Jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere? Or you think that if the Arabs had any kind of power israel would still be created on palestinian land? Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it 
The Arabs did have their say. There was a war.
The Arabs lost.
Russia and the US did not support either side materially. Arabs got their weapons mostly from old British stores left in their countries after WW2. Jews got their weapons smuggled in from Czechoslovakia mostly.
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