Bisu's PvZ Revolution Analyzed From Modern Look

On March 10 2025 18:49 Soulforged wrote:
The horizontal entry to natural change to modern maps is the "revolution" against hydra bust.
What P needs is a solid way to deal with 5 muta/scourge macro opener that doesn't involve blind 2 stargate sair and doesn't put P behind in midgame. It isn't so bad as requiring an entire revolution, though.

On March 10 2025 17:33 HOLYBATS wrote:
Protoss need one more revolution against hydra bust. Come on Bisu!

On March 11 2025 00:56 quaristice wrote:
it's worth noting that if you watch the full match bisu also just basically completely outmicro'd savior on basically every interaction. i watched it like 2 months ago and it's just physically painful how many outright execution mistakes savior made. and bisu's micro is pretty bad by modern standards too. it made me cringe a bit. there's a bit in the game on reverse temple where he gets his whole army psi-stormed so hard, soma commented a little bit on it politely saying that hydras weren't afraid of storm back then.

the building placement in general by both players is also very poor and we see even in modern games thats one of the things that makes a big difference between top ASL players. you can copy it for simple situations like the simcity at the entrance but just in general it's a fuzzy skill for a lot of other situations

i wonder a little if savior was already matchfixing at this point but from what i understand most people think he wasn't doing it yet. so i kind of doubt it. just the micro difference made me still ask myself this.

On March 12 2025 07:59 tankgirl wrote:
Hi

thanks as always for your translations

i noticed in the video the use of the term "game theory"

does soma/other koreans use this term in the same sense as english speakers?

in my mind, "game theory" has very specific connotation, i.e as a branch of applied mathematics

or was this just a convienent translation?

thanks

[edit] was this specific match/series between bisu/savior really the first time anyone had seen this type of build (at least, executed as well as bisu did?) what i means is, was this truly just an "mic drop" type scenario, where everyone except bisu/coaches was left with their jaws on the floor?

On March 11 2025 00:56 quaristice wrote:
it's worth noting that if you watch the full match bisu also just basically completely outmicro'd savior on basically every interaction. i watched it like 2 months ago and it's just physically painful how many outright execution mistakes savior made. and bisu's micro is pretty bad by modern standards too. it made me cringe a bit. there's a bit in the game on reverse temple where he gets his whole army psi-stormed so hard, soma commented a little bit on it politely saying that hydras weren't afraid of storm back then.

the building placement in general by both players is also very poor and we see even in modern games thats one of the things that makes a big difference between top ASL players. you can copy it for simple situations like the simcity at the entrance but just in general it's a fuzzy skill for a lot of other situations

i wonder a little if savior was already matchfixing at this point but from what i understand most people think he wasn't doing it yet. so i kind of doubt it. just the micro difference made me still ask myself this.