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Medrea
10003 Posts
Enriching past the civilian level is a bad sign and it should be stopped until Iran is a country where things start to make sense. They still lead the world in child executions, even over North Korea though NK's numbers are highly subjective. That being said, I don't know if Canada is capable of making a big impact on the region. One way or another. Personally I think Isreal attacking Iran on its own is a big mistake. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 09 2012 05:43 maybenexttime wrote: Yes, they are one sided. Israel is threatening Iran with an invasion. Iran is not threatening Israel. Israel does not do the same? Then what is Jundallah doing in Iran? Israel has no way to attack Iran? The US has military bases in nearly all countries surrounding Iran, for fuck's sake. Get a clue. Errr, Iran wages war against Israel by proxy ( Hizbollah Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc) long before they even had a nuclear program or Israel even made a comment about attacking them. The entire reason Iran is interesting for Israel is because of their support for many terrorist groups, and their clear aim to destroy Israel ( they said on numerous occasions) the US having bases means nothing since Iran is a theocratic apartheid state and where the top leaders believe we live in the end times. Note how Israel has NEVER sided with the US in ANY invasion of Arab nations. Not in the six days war, not in 73, and not in gulf war I & II. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5861 Posts
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On September 09 2012 06:56 maybenexttime wrote: Really? Iran said they want to destroy Israel? You really are brainwashed. Are you, by any chance, talking about Ahmadinejad quoting a dead ayatollah, who's speach the pro-Israel media had taken way out of context? Wow when someone says "ill deal with you after school" he isnt about to trade with you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel So all of these are misinterpretations then? | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 09 2012 05:43 Euronyme wrote: Yeah they're about 10.000. How many died in 9/11 again? oh.. almost 3000. But we don't care about Palestinians and their civilians because they're Arabs right? Who cares about them having over 3 state sanctioned 9/11s the past years. They have dark skin right, so it's perfectly justified. 9/11's? What are you talking about? You think 9/11 was just about the number? You think we have a 9/11 every day, just because more than 3000 people across the globe die on an average day? What are you talking about? See, this is the insanity that we have to deal with. You think 10.000 / 3 = three 9/11's. Context means nothing, words mean nothing, history means nothing. So you begin to hyperbole everything. Surely, if 10.000 dead can be called three 9/11's, what is stopping you from calling 1 dead a holocaust? One checkpoint a death camp? One sanction an orchestrated attempt to exterminate the Palestinians. There is no rhyme or reason to anything you say, other than to explode anything into, not just its most extreme form, but miles and bounds beyond into the most extreme word you can manage to come up with. 10.000 over 65 years = 153 dead. Call me crazy, but I don't think those numbers are that ridiculous considering the fact that the Palestinians are actively engaged in a struggle against the Israeli's, going so far as to launch rockets from every inch of land they get. Adding onto that the well documented history of Hamas using their own people as shields and propaganda fodder, I don't think 153 is all that much. But the truth is, numbers don't matter. It could be 1 dead Palestinian and you would still scream genocide. Go extreme, go borderline insane with your accusations. Just acknowledge that they are not grounded in any reality. Israeli death tolls on the other hand are at about 15% of that. Besides it's up to the Israeli as an occupational force to supply the Palestinians in accordance with the Geneve convention. Instead they're murdering people trying to bring them medicine and food. Because that's reasonable. Israel doesn't build their military infrastructure at the heart of cities. They try to minimize their own casualties, so we can't be too surprised that the numbers aren't equal. Fact still remains that Israel has received more UN resolutions to stop their violence than all other states in the world combined. Would that be the same UN that has Saudi-Arabia on the human rights council? Don't make me laugh. Yeah, Israel needs to stop building settlements, that don't mean much more than that. Edit. Forgot to mention - among the other atrocities committed there's the repeated use of human shields: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail Big difference: The Israeli soldiers are facing backlash. Hamas soldiers that hit a kid with a rocket strike get a parade. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 09 2012 06:56 maybenexttime wrote: Really? Iran said they want to destroy Israel? You really are brainwashed. Are you, by any chance, talking about Ahmadinejad quoting a dead ayatollah, who's speach the pro-Israel media had taken way out of context? Wiping out the Zionist cancer would mean Israel surely, or would you disagree? | ||
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HoLe
Canada183 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:35 Pro gamer registerin wrote: So you are member of the first nation ,since you claim canada to be your country,right? you mean that Isreal that was created in year 1948 and that league of nations that ceased to be in 1946? 1st quote. Watch your phrasing. First Nations people has a ton of ambiguity. Are you referring to the Indians native to Canada? In any case, what's your point? I've lived in Canada the majority of my life. I've been to every province. I have both British and Canadian citizenship. I really don't see what you're getting at. 2nd quote. Sorry. 1948, general assembly of the United Nations. My mistake. It's been a while since European history class. Still doesn't change my initial point one bit re: the democratic nature by which the Jews that experienced diaspora during WWII were allocated Israel. Present more stupid nitpicky fluff points with no substance please. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
What's really a shame IMO is that the Palestinians are used as a tool against Israel by other Arab countries. The massive refugee camps that Palestinians live in could easily be assimilated and be taken out of refugee status and given a home by the neighbouring Arab countries instead of living in massive refugee camps. Regarding the 3 holocausts a year that is probably the stupidest thing I have read in a long long time. 9/11 was an unprovoked attack which killed 3k innocent people and has changed the world incredible amounts. Zalz number of 153 is only 50 more than what peanuts kill in a year for fuck sakes. This is also using the horribly inflated numbers from Palestinians who use any death that could even have a faint chance of being related as death to add to their count. Palestinians fire fucking rockets into Israel all of the time killing people. Look up all the terrorist attacks on Israel there are so many every year. Imagine if your city had bombs go off, buses being hijacked and the occupants slaughtered, rockets landing randomly all of the time. Heads would roll... Should Israel just ignore this? Do you think thats even an option? You can't let people responsible for this get away with murdering innocent people. Sadly this means innocents are also in harms way when your seeking out the "bad guys" but I'm sure the IFD does everything they can to avoid collatoral damage especially while under the microscope of the world. Israel doesn't target hospitals, schools, children, use human shields (for the most part) while hamas does and people try to paint them as the bad guys. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 09 2012 04:19 RvB wrote: The Iranians don't really support their government though. They don't, and for good reason. However, they didn't totally support a democracy either; that's why it was so easily overthrown by the CIA back in '53. Most people HATE government in the Mideast regardless of system or whatever, and when government are popular it's when there's tons of nationalism being stirred or there's some big economic/political victory. A lot of it also has to do with the fact that people in the Mideast are a lot more active than in most of the rest of the world. If they feel they have a reason to fight, good or bad, they will do it. Fun fact: Iranians used to be extremely liberal/secular, easily one of the most "westernized" countries outside of Europe/NA. And yet, they overthrew a secular social order to put the biggest Islamic fanatic of the modern era in power, who sparked and influenced more Islamic extremism and fundamentalism in the Mideast more than even Wahhabist Saudi Arabia could ever hope for. GL Mideast. It literally has 4 secular countries left. Two are extremely tiny and relatively uninfluential (Tunisia and Lebanon), one is Israel, and the other is Turkey. The biggest problem is if the Muslim Brotherhood gains actual power in Egypt (the military still holds the real power). Egypt is literally the media center of the Arab world, and it won't be good if they start putting out shit that is in favor of Islamic fundamentalism. Just as bad is the one country in the Mideast that really cracked down on Islamic extremism and was influential in promoting secularism was sent back to the Stone Age over the span of the past couple decades. Now Iraq is run by a former Islamic terror group in bed with Iran. lol. TL;DR: The Mideast is FUBAR. | ||
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
Im sure if Romney wins election his year US Army will be in Iran by the end of next year lol no need for Iranian diplomats in Canada anymore then lol | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 09 2012 15:58 zala2023 wrote: Dont worry guys Im sure if Romney wins election his year US Army will be in Iran by the end of next year lol no need for Iranian diplomats in Canada anymore then lol Wut? All you need are carriers aircraft and patience. Just bomb their army into submission. | ||
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
On September 09 2012 15:34 tokicheese wrote: Look up all the terrorist attacks on Israel there are so many every year. Imagine if your city had bombs go off, buses being hijacked and the occupants slaughtered, rockets landing randomly all of the time. Heads would roll... Should Israel just ignore this? Do you think thats even an option? You can't let people responsible for this get away with murdering innocent people. Sadly this means innocents are also in harms way when your seeking out the "bad guys" but I'm sure the IFD does everything they can to avoid collatoral damage especially while under the microscope of the world. Israel doesn't target hospitals, schools, children, use human shields (for the most part) while hamas does and people try to paint them as the bad guys. You should have a chat with a few Palestinians before you state something like that. Also, microscope of the world? You realise they have a nuclear arsenal and the IAEA doesn't give a single fuck, while Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is constantly harrassed for using nuclear energy for civilian purposes even? Israel is a terror state with 0 legitimacy. Looks like it's been too long since 1948 that people have forgotten that they are the aggressors while the Arabs are fighting the defensive war. Therefore the term "Palestinian terrorism" is not even correct. Zionist terrorism has been present in the British Mandate of Palestine however. | ||
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neversummer
United States156 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On September 08 2012 09:47 blinken wrote: “most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.” nice try but the US is more of a threat than any1 else in the world. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
stay on track this thread is about why Canada severed ties with Iran, which, to me at least, indicates America is considering invasion. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 09 2012 19:59 EtherealBlade wrote: You should have a chat with a few Palestinians before you state something like that. Also, microscope of the world? You realise they have a nuclear arsenal and the IAEA doesn't give a single fuck, while Iran, a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is constantly harrassed for using nuclear energy for civilian purposes even? Israel is a terror state with 0 legitimacy. Looks like it's been too long since 1948 that people have forgotten that they are the aggressors while the Arabs are fighting the defensive war. Therefore the term "Palestinian terrorism" is not even correct. Zionist terrorism has been present in the British Mandate of Palestine however. Guy steps on a bus and blows himself up in order to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible, all out of a desire to see the establishment of a Palestinian state, whilst identifying himself as Palestinian. Totally not Palestinian terrorism. If anything, it is Israel terrorism, cause Israel is being such a meanie-pants that they are giving these poor Palestinians no other option than to place bombs whose sole goal is to murder as many civillians as possible. You know, just like how Ghandi was forced to do the same against the British. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 08 2012 10:09 Shiragaku wrote: Wow...I despise the State of Iran but some of the rhetoric is Israeli and Imperialist propaganda. “most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.” “It routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide; it is among the world’s worst violators of human rights,” Iran has not invaded other nations in like...forever. It is not a threat, it spends most of its military spending on defense, and they even got attacked by Stuxnet, and they do invest in terrorism but has it done that much harm compared to what America and Israel has done? And we have sent an embargo on Iran. Despite the horrors of the Iranian government, I am sure there is more to fear about the West than there is about the State on its own people. If there is going to be a war, it is going to happen on Iranian soil. The only way you can possibly be this clueless is on purpose. Iran fought the US in Afghanistan and Iraq by training and supplying insurgents. How do you not see a country directing its efforts to attain a nuclear capability that also states they will annihilate Israel as bad fucking news for Israel? Of course there will be a war against Iran if the course does not change. If France said "We will annihilate Italy" then violently suppressed dissent... What do you think Germany would do about that? What are we supposed to do, laugh it off? This isn't Call of Duty make believe. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 09 2012 20:29 Nizaris wrote: nice try but the US is more of a threat than any1 else in the world. Except the US is not arming thousands of terrorists, or has made any claim or attempt to destroy a nation and its people as Iran has. | ||
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