EPTCanada Suspends Diplomatic Ties with Iran - Page 6
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maybenexttime
Poland5761 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:34 zalz wrote: Like I said, if the Arabs were in a position of power, every Jew in Israel would be swinging from a tree. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be pretty effective in restraining itself. I do think it is pretty sick to suggest that they would go back to Europe though. "You're a Jew, because of your genes you don't belong here, even though you were born here and it is the only land you ever knew. Hand over your possessions and get on a plane." It is the height of collectivist thinking. They are Jews, so they must leave and give over everything they worked for. Why on earth do you think that just because someone is a Jew, or an Israeli, he is entitled to fewer rights? There are people born in Israel, never having known any other place, and you just want to cast them out of their land because of their race or cultural heritage? They have to leave behind their homes, their businesses, only because they happened to be born Jews. You can feel that way if you like, but don't try and take the moral high ground. Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:42 ImFromPortugal wrote: Im saying, when decision was made to create the state of israel after ww2 if the arabs had any kind of real power to protest it, the jews would still be living in Europe and elsewhere ... I bet you feel very sorry for the end of the apartheid in South Africa as well. And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
Extreme solutions are not way to go, no matter how much one hates Israel or believes it should not exist. Rather, you should offer practical solutions instead of beating war drums about Zionists and taking over the Middle East. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:54 zalz wrote: And if dirt tasted like bananas, nobody would ever be hungry again. Israel exists, there are people living in Israel. You should focus your attention on reality, rather than playing a game of what-if that won't get you, or anyone else, anywhere. If the Arabs were the global super power of the time, would there be an Israel there? Probably not. Ooh wow, how much we learned! The problem is practically solved... Ooh hang on, I just looked on google. Turns out Israel is still there. You, and other anti-Israel folk, should start adressing the truth of what you want to see happening. It involves the forced deporation of millions at best, and their executions at worst (though more realistic). Israel is there, and if you don't like that, start suggesting practical solutions. Playing what-if games is just poluting the discussion. meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it  | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:59 Praetorial wrote: Unusually, I find myself agreeing with zalz on something. Extreme solutions are not way to go, no matter how much one hates Israel or believes it should not exist. Rather, you should offer practical solutions instead of beating war drums about Zionists and taking over the Middle East. well i wasn't talking about the present i was just replying to the "arabs having power" comment by zalz,i think the super powers of the time chose a very bad place to create israel, and disregarded the people and cultures living there.. he knows that i was talking about the past but he likes to pretend that i want to exterminate the jews and deport them to the moon | ||
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HoLe
Canada183 Posts
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Pro gamer registerin
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On September 08 2012 21:52 HoLe wrote: I'm a proud Torontonian. So you are member of the first nation ,since you claim canada to be your country,right? On September 09 2012 00:21 HoLe wrote: For fucks sake Israel was partitioned by the league of nations after wwII. The Jews aren't to blame, homeless, penniless Jews were given the land democratically. you mean that Isreal that was created in year 1948 and that league of nations that ceased to be in 1946? | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:18 ImFromPortugal wrote: well i wasn't talking about the present i was just replying to the "arabs having power" comment by zalz,i think the super powers of the time chose a very bad place to create israel, and disregarded the people and cultures living there.. he knows that i was talking about the past but he likes to pretend that i want to exterminate the jews and deport them to the moon Don't worry about it, zalz always gets a bit touchy whenever Israel is mentioned. | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1803 Posts
On September 08 2012 15:15 Focuspants wrote: Why did people need to elect Harper and the dumbass conservatives again  I like it much better when we just mind our own business and try to help people when they need it. I know for a fact that almost everyone (if not everyone) I know would be opposed to us sticking our nose into this business. We need Chretien back, he was a political genius. He knew how to tow the line between US ally and independant nation so so well. The Liberal party really needs to get its shit together and find a suitable leader.I agree completely with that. The conservatives haven't really been doing much to help Canada's image (pulling out of Kyoto was one of them) while Chretien and the Liberals (of that time) did a lot to help. If the Liberals don't figure things out, our last hope will be the NDP to take the stage. Layton was on track, maybe Mulcair can do it? | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:35 Pro gamer registerin wrote: So you are member of the first nation ,since you claim canada to be your country,right? you mean that Isreal that was created in year 1948 and that league of nations that ceased to be in 1946? Good lord. First Nation is a term for natives of Canada. It means "first of the nation". | ||
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JLew
Canada353 Posts
1) This sort of thing happens often, for a large variety of reasons, someone earlier in the thread cited Belarus/Sweden as an example and there are many others. 2) People are making it sound like Iran is some sort of victim here, Iran has made it clear on several occasions it's not exactly willing to negotiate on a long list of things that frankly, are pretty important. If a country isn't willing to have rational negotiations with you, and has people in positions of power that are open about their hatred for the western world, why use national resources to house diplomats there. This stuff isn't cheap, for all we know this could have been a financial move. 3) Whatever you think about Harper/the Conservative government (for clarity's sake I did not vote for Harper last election) I'm sure there isn't anyone in the entire Canadian government who WANTS to be involved in a war with Iran. If our government thought there was anything to be gained at this point from having diplomats in Iran then it would not being pulling them out, obviously there is things we don't know and from an analysis they came to the conclusion that this was no longer a worthy investment of resources/time/energy/etc. 4) For the people that derailed this thread to talk about Israel, the only sane and rational/semi-educated comments I've read have been from Zalz. There is no point talking about what happened 60 years ago, the fact is now that country is home to 2nd,3rd,4th,etc. generation Jewish people, when people talk about ''giving it back'' I have to think they are completely dense in that they haven't considered what that entails, or they have no compassion for an entire people group. edit: spelling | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 09 2012 01:40 JLew wrote: This thread makes my brain hurt.. Everyone is quick to make broad sweeping comments like ''Canada is in US/Israels pocket''. 1) This sort of thing happens often, for a large variety of reasons, someone earlier in the thread cited Belarus/Sweden as an example and there are many others. 2) People are making it sound like Iran is some sort of victim here, Iran has made it clear on several occasions it's not exactly willing to negotiate on a long list of things that frankly, are pretty important. If a country isn't willing to have rational negotiations with you, and has people in positions of power that are open about their hatred for the western world, why use national resources to house diplomats there. This stuff isn't cheap, for all we know this could have been a financial move. 3) Whatever you think about Harper/the Conservative government (for clarity's sake I did not vote for Harper last election) I'm sure there isn't anyone in the entire Canadian government who WANTS to be involved in a war with Iran. If our government thought there was anything to be gained at this point from having diplomats in Iran then it would not being pulling them out, obviously there is things we don't know and from an analysis they came to the conclusion that this was no longer a worthy investment of resources/time/energy/etc. 4) For the people that derailed this thread to talk about Israel, the only sane and rational/semi-educated comments I've read have been from Zalz. There is no point talking about what happened 60 years ago, the fact is now that country is home to 2nd,3rd,4th,etc. generation Jewish people, when people talk about ''giving it back'' I have to think they are completely dense in that they haven't considered what that entails, or they have no compassion for an entire people group. edit: spelling Where did anyone talk about "giving it back?" | ||
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Mo0Rauder
Canada182 Posts
On September 09 2012 01:40 JLew wrote: This thread makes my brain hurt.. Everyone is quick to make broad sweeping comments like ''Canada is in US/Israels pocket''. Agreed, pain in the brain. Everyone has an opinion on this, with a million factors pulling on each side. My personal opinion is that Iran is retarded, and Israel is just as retarded. There is no real solution to this problem, and there likely will never be one. The rhetoric from Iran is disgusting, while the lies regarding the expansion of Israel as they slowly swallow their feeble neighbor's lands are well, you guessed it also disgusting. Karma for both sides is reaching an all time low, and again since this is the internet... and personal opinions float around like turds in the Ottawa river, we should just wash our hands of both sides, and not stick our noses where they are not needed. Good day. Bad spelling eh. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
The logic behind this is that tension is rising and Israel seems closer then ever to a attack however this is something the US wants to avoid. So right now Iran dosnt think the threats of being attacked are that realistic but as more countries cut ties and impose stricter sanctions this increases the chance that Iran will reconsider its nuclear program and international support of terrorism thus preventing war. Just to note my personal opinion is it wont work but thats just my opinion. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:18 ImFromPortugal wrote: well i wasn't talking about the present i was just replying to the "arabs having power" comment by zalz,i think the super powers of the time chose a very bad place to create israel, and disregarded the people and cultures living there.. he knows that i was talking about the past but he likes to pretend that i want to exterminate the jews and deport them to the moon Yup, it's too damn hot here, we should've occupied Canada instead. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Even Norman Finkelstein would agree that if the Jews in Israel suddenly became a minority, they would be persecuted as all Middle Eastern countries love to do with their minorities. But regardless, I do not see Iran becoming a threat to anyone outside of Israel, they are mostly a threat to their own people. | ||
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Bahamut1337
Ghana205 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: meh.. you keep making this as if i want them gone or im hitler and want them exterminated, i was saying that if the arabs had any saying back then in the matter things would be different and jews would still be alive living elsewhere instead of other people lands. They didn't need to be worlds super power they just needed to not be ignored by the super powers of the time. If we want to solve a problem we first have to analyze the roots of the problem, i think this conflict should be solved peacefully and i believe in a two state solution with both Israeli and Palestinian living side by side equally sharing knowledge and culture as they always did... it doesn't matter the past can be forgotten and we can't talk about it Fact of the matter is that jews made up a huge percentage of people in the mandate area of Palestine, there was no reason to create an Arab state with a jewish miniority, even less so when we known Muslims treat Infidels badly in every single nation. The Palestinians had a chance for their own state twice ( 48 and camp david accords) but opted for violence with the aim of making a True Arab state ( and thus screwing over the infidels, druze and other people who are not Arab Muslims) For the sake of the Jews, Christians, Druze lets be glad Israel exists in the cesspool of Arab Apartheid nations. | ||
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