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On September 02 2012 22:31 Equity213 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!"  There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell) Agreed. Its ironic. I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco). How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary.
No one wants to do mushrooms consistently and it's literally poisoning your body. Also, its not even in the same class of drugs. Ive taken mushrooms many times and it's been quite awhile since i've done them. Mushrooms are an example of one drug that possibly could be legalized as well.. but all drugs?
Your logic is flawed... you could say the same about crack cocaine and heroin. The fact of the matter is marijuana is shown to benefit us in more ways than one...
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The last few pages of this thread have been mildly masturbatory, so I'll throw in my two cents.
People tend to smoke weed to get high. When you smoke a bowl you don't get a little buzz or relax a bit (unless it's shitty weed or you smoke every day). You become intoxicated. Some folks just smoke one, and get a little mellow, but that's the exception, at least in my experience.
The government generally doesn't like intoxication - being drunk anyplace but a bar or a home is also illegal. Drugs, in general, exist to get us intoxicated, and I'm not convinced either way on the gateway drug theory. There have been studies which have provided support and removed it. Alcohol and weed are certainly not that far removed from one another.
I don't, however, buy the argument that the government should allow us each to go to hell in our own way. Weed might not be damning, but once you start down the path of many of the harder drugs (heroin, cocaine, and meth) you are basically on your way to being dead, but not before you sell off everything you (and your family, if they'll let you) own. It's simply not something that anybody should be okay with.
That said, weed, and probably most drugs, should be decriminalized, at least for possession without intent. We fill up an absurd amount of prison cells with dipshit kids who got caught with a bag because they're barely aware that they're doing something wrong, and when they get out, they've got jack shit for prospects (because one arrest on your record basically fucks you for life) and wind up turning to harder stuff. Make it a fineable offense that stays off your record. For harder drugs, penalty should be rehab and a clean record when you pee clean for a year. A government should exist to help its people, not keep them in line.
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On September 02 2012 22:30 NB wrote:
personally i dont think any substance that could modify/interrupt/alternate your brain's nature thinking process should be legal. This is including alcohol, cigaret and pretty much all the similar drugs that could or could not cause addiction. The reason is that i really dont see any way any how a person should be released from the nature duty of controlling his own behavior. When you execute an action in your life, no matter how small and insignificant it is, you should be responsible for it any place any time. Choices are made solely based on your own personal experience and decision making skill which define who you are and having a drug to erase that from you is like killing, deleting your own signature. Under the drugs effect you are no longer in self control and therefore should be treated as a total different person with a new ID etc...
I do see the argument that legalizing weeds or drugs could have an up side in medicine and health care but i have a hard time seeing why a license or assist system is hard to be deployed for patient that really requires weed as a cure to their sicknesses. Legalizing such dangerous substances is not only putting your health care system on the line, it is also your economy productivities and ultimately the human evolution and existence that could be altered negatively in a long run.
So personally: no, i dont think weed should ever be legalized and they should also ban cigarettes as well as putting a limit on the high % alcohol that one could purchase/keep.
I respect any man that has an opinion like this.
Even tho I think weed should be legal,I also think that people have the right to want to be safe from people that misuse drugs.If you ban one thing than ban everything all together.Personally I don't see what good it will do because people will just consume it anyway like they do now with illegal drugs and how they did with alcohol during the prohibition.
It just disgusts me that I have to live in a culture where it's acceptable to walk into a store and buy hard liquor but I have to deal with shady people sometimes and be on my toes like a criminal that just killed someone every time I want to score good weed.
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On September 02 2012 22:34 Th1rdEye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:31 Equity213 wrote:On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!" There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell) Agreed. Its ironic. I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco). How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary. No one wants to do mushrooms consistently and it's literally poisoning your body. Also, its not even in the same class of drugs. Ive taken mushrooms many times and it's been quite awhile since i've done them. Mushrooms are an example of one drug that possibly could be legalized as well.. but all drugs? Your logic is flawed... you could say the same about crack cocaine and heroin. The fact of the matter is marijuana is shown to benefit us in more ways than one...
The truth is as places like Portugal have proven, all drugs should be decriminalized. This means you don't get put into jail for possession. However users of some drugs (heroin and cocaine i'm looking at you) should have available rehabilitation and therapy instead of jail sentences because the impact those drugs have on the body is enormously negative.
It's far cheaper than jail sentences to put someone in rehab and it stops someone who was caught with a little weed going to jail and coming out as a hardened criminal. I don't see why this isn't more obvious. The war on drugs has clearly not worked and it's time to take a scientific approach, not an emotional zero tolerance one.
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On September 02 2012 22:34 Th1rdEye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:31 Equity213 wrote:On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!" There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell) Agreed. Its ironic. I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco). How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary. No one wants to do mushrooms consistently and it's literally poisoning your body. Also, its not even in the same class of drugs. Ive taken mushrooms many times and it's been quite awhile since i've done them. Mushrooms are an example of one drug that possibly could be legalized as well.. but all drugs? Your logic is flawed... you could say the same about crack cocaine and heroin. The fact of the matter is marijuana is shown to benefit us in more ways than one...
Bullshit, Marijuana is bad for the body. That's why I use it, and whatever drugs I damn please. No victim, no crime.
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I hate this subject. I once actually tried to find a bunch of unbiased well done research on the field but there is just so much shit out there on either side of the argument to go through so I just threw up my white flag to proclaim that I don't care.
So here is my totally uenducated and personal opinion:
Don't legalize it.
Why?
Because I don't use it. The end.
You'd think we already have enough stupid shit that is bad for us to amuse ourselves with. Tobacco, alcohol, chemically enhanced/addicting food, all sorts of poluting technological stuff, stupid tv shows...
Do you reeaally need one more thing?? Really? I can sort of understand why some people would want it in countries where you need to be a hundred year old to drink or smoke but maybe you just get that shit illegally then.
I don't understand why people care this much whether it's legalized or not unless you smoke yourself. There are a million other things out there that you could care about that is much more important in the world, but it seems to be one of the most repeated forum topic on every single forum I've ever been to. This is just such a biased topic with actual good scientific evidence of anything being very scarce.
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On September 02 2012 22:30 NB wrote:
personally i dont think any substance that could modify/interrupt/alternate your brain's nature thinking process should be legal. This is including alcohol, cigaret and pretty much all the similar drugs that could or could not cause addiction. The reason is that i really dont see any way any how a person should be released from the nature duty of controlling his own behavior. When you execute an action in your life, no matter how small and insignificant it is, you should be responsible for it any place any time. Choices are made solely based on your own personal experience and decision making skill which define who you are and having a drug to erase that from you is like killing, deleting your own signature. Under the drugs effect you are no longer in self control and therefore should be treated as a total different person with a new ID etc...
I do see the argument that legalizing weeds or drugs could have an up side in medicine and health care but i have a hard time seeing why a license or assist system is hard to be deployed for patient that really requires weed as a cure to their sicknesses. Legalizing such dangerous substances is not only putting your health care system on the line, it is also your economy productivities and ultimately the human evolution and existence that could be altered negatively in a long run.
So personally: no, i dont think weed should ever be legalized and they should also ban cigarettes as well as putting a limit on the high % alcohol that one could purchase/keep.
It's amazing that sucha seemingly intelligent person as yourself can have so little insight into what you're actually saying and proposing. In my mind you should restrict actions under influence, not the drug itself. If you drive a car while being under influence of anything, well that should be illegal. But the fact is that many things in life are mind altering at various levels and when it comes to securing the health care system, I'd say you might as well make fatty and processed foods illegal too. And if thats the case, before you know it we end up living in a Orwell esque book, where we can only consume what the government deem alright and where vested interests rule. Or you can just mind your busisness and I can mind mine. I know which I prefere.
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On September 02 2012 22:46 Cereb wrote:
I hate this subject. I once actually tried to find a bunch of unbiased well done research on the field but there is just so much shit out there on either side of the argument to go through so I just threw up my white flag to proclaim that I don't care.
So here is my totally uenducated and personal opinion:
Don't legalize it.
Why?
Because I don't use it. The end.
You'd think we already have enough stupid shit that is bad for us to amuse ourselves with. Tobacco, alcohol, chemically enhanced/addicting food, all sorts of poluting technological stuff, stupid tv shows...
Do you reeaally need one more thing?? Really? I can sort of understand why some people would want it in countries where you need to be a hundred year old to drink or smoke but maybe you just get that shit illegally then.
I don't understand why people care this much whether it's legalized or not unless you smoke yourself. There are a million other things out there that you could care about that is much more important in the world, but it seems to be one of the most repeated forum topic on every single forum I've ever been to. This is just such a biased topic with actual good scientific evidence of anything being very scarce.
You don't use it but you may need to some day to cure or cope with some kind of ailment. In America it's legal in close to 20 states for medical use. Why ? Because it helps. And this year it's on the ballot for other states as well, including my own.
Like how stupid are people? Do you really think they would legalize it for medical use if it wasn't a medicine of some sort? A cheap, growable, better alternative to those medications you spend thousands on each year.
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On September 02 2012 22:17 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:04 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow!  Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right? OMG exactly this. The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim Yeah, the only reason it is a gateway drug is cos it's illegal, and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system, not the drug itself...
You should learn to read. This having to explain everything in detail because people cant think for themselves is ridiculous.
You smoke a joint with a friend
You like it
He introduces you to a dealer
You buy weed
You go home and smoke weed
You run out you go and buy more weed from the dealer
repeat x10000
dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?"
you say "okay"
wow ecstacy is really good
dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?"
you say "okay"
wow cocaine is really good!!!!
Repeat till youre on heroine selling youre asshole to a dealer
OR
You smoke a joint with a friend
You like it
You go to the weed store
You buy weed
You go home and smoke weed
You run out you go and buy more weed from the weed store
Repeat x100000000
No opportunity to buy hard drugs. You would have to go looking for it
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On September 02 2012 22:50 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:17 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:04 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow! Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right? OMG exactly this. The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim Yeah, the only reason it is a gateway drug is cos it's illegal, and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system, not the drug itself... You should learn to read. This having to explain everything in detail because people cant think for themselves is ridiculous. You smoke a joint with a friend You like it He introduces you to a dealer You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the dealer repeat x10000 dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow ecstacy is really good dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow cocaine is really good!!!! Repeat till youre on heroine selling youre asshole to a dealer ORYou smoke a joint with a friend You like it You go to the weed store You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the weed store Repeat x100000000 No opportunity to buy hard drugs. You would have to go looking for it
This kinda makes sense.
I agree, weed is no gateway drug. Friends, influences, dealers, and the want to escape are all the gateway drugs. Not weed itself.
I started with cigarettes, then marijuana. Anything I did after marijuana had no real relation to marijuana. I tried mushrooms because I heard they were amazing and did lots of reading on them. I tried LSD for similar reasons. Not because I smoked weed... but you damn well better believe I was toking up while I took other drugs^^
I also took pharmaceutical pills like oxycodone, vicodin, morphine, codeine, etc. They make you feel like shit. And this is the stuff people prescribe. Sure they help with pain-- opiates are great at that. But they are in the same class as heroin. I've also taken MDMA..
Marijuana had nothing to do with me taking any of those drugs.
I've been getting stoned for years now and I will not get anywhere near any drugs like crack or heroin. I wont' even do ketamine like all the hippies do at the festivals around here...
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On September 02 2012 22:30 NB wrote:
personally i dont think any substance that could modify/interrupt/alternate your brain's nature thinking process should be legal. This is including alcohol, cigaret and pretty much all the similar drugs that could or could not cause addiction. The reason is that i really dont see any way any how a person should be released from the nature duty of controlling his own behavior. When you execute an action in your life, no matter how small and insignificant it is, you should be responsible for it any place any time. Choices are made solely based on your own personal experience and decision making skill which define who you are and having a drug to erase that from you is like killing, deleting your own signature. Under the drugs effect you are no longer in self control and therefore should be treated as a total different person with a new ID etc...
I do see the argument that legalizing weeds or drugs could have an up side in medicine and health care but i have a hard time seeing why a license or assist system is hard to be deployed for patient that really requires weed as a cure to their sicknesses. Legalizing such dangerous substances is not only putting your health care system on the line, it is also your economy productivities and ultimately the human evolution and existence that could be altered negatively in a long run.
So personally: no, i dont think weed should ever be legalized and they should also ban cigarettes as well as putting a limit on the high % alcohol that one could purchase/keep.
While I can see where you're coming from and I'm deeply thankful for being able to reply to a well formed opinion, instead of the one liner trolls a page ago, I have to disagree.
What always bothers me with guys like you isn't your opinion. It's a fine one to have and shows just a difference in lifestyle. But you clearly must have missed the last 5 pages, where not only I, but an armada of people well spokenly explained, how "drugs" dont exist and it's just being used as a term for substances to take into your body, while there are sooo many other things out there, which can alter your "brains nature thinking process". First off, there is no such thing as "natural thinking processes". As every humanbeing has a completely individual fingerprint, it also has a completely individual way of thinking. Add in evolution, traumatic experiences, faith, TV (holy shit, you knew the Nazis like to call it "The electro-jew"?) etc etc etc., you MUST realize, we are getting influenced heavily and on a daily basis by things on the outside AND the inside of our brains, working both ways.
You get influenced inside by stuff like drugs or just the very air you breathe (it's no shit, try some holidays in the Alps or at the sea), consequences are you will most likely project that influence on the outside, in terms of behaviour, voting preferences, consumer preferences, etc etc.
You get influenced from the outside by stuff like TV and politicians, consequences are you will change inside, just like you must have formed your opinion about banning weed somewhere. I suspect you have cases of people suffering from drugs in your surroundings, as you don't sound dumb enough to get brainwashed by media and politics.
Having said all that, it actually matters very little, because: I respect and accept you not being in favor of weed. Trust me, should it be legalized, I won't try to force you to smoke it, or anybody else. Now that I think of it, there should be laws to criminalize people who make others take stuff for their first time. But anyway, may I ask kindly in return, you respect and accept my CHOICE to smoke some weed? I promise, I won't drive under the influence, been there done that and it was just 500m to get cigarettes, but the paranoia I got from it has kept me from doing it ever again and more importantly, also resisting the urge to drive while drunk.
Will you grant me the right to alter my mind to a state I like?
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On September 02 2012 22:50 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:17 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:04 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow! Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right? OMG exactly this. The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim Yeah, the only reason it is a gateway drug is cos it's illegal, and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system, not the drug itself... You should learn to read. This having to explain everything in detail because people cant think for themselves is ridiculous. You smoke a joint with a friend You like it He introduces you to a dealer You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the dealer repeat x10000 dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow ecstacy is really good dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow cocaine is really good!!!! Repeat till youre on heroine selling youre asshole to a dealer ORYou smoke a joint with a friend You like it You go to the weed store You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the weed store Repeat x100000000 No opportunity to buy hard drugs. You would have to go looking for it
I agree but I think you misquoted someone because they guy above was agreeing with you haha:D
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ITT: gasmeter trolling everyone into writing the Great Wall of Text lol
Personally, I think adults should be able to put in their body whatever they want to. Harder drugs are up for debate because of health concerns etc, but surely in fucking 2012 you should be able to smoke a joint in public without committing a crime T_T
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On September 02 2012 22:55 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:50 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 22:17 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:04 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow! Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right? OMG exactly this. The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim Yeah, the only reason it is a gateway drug is cos it's illegal, and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system, not the drug itself... You should learn to read. This having to explain everything in detail because people cant think for themselves is ridiculous. You smoke a joint with a friend You like it He introduces you to a dealer You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the dealer repeat x10000 dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow ecstacy is really good dealer says "hey kid Ive got something new, wanna try it?" you say "okay" wow cocaine is really good!!!! Repeat till youre on heroine selling youre asshole to a dealer ORYou smoke a joint with a friend You like it You go to the weed store You buy weed You go home and smoke weed You run out you go and buy more weed from the weed store Repeat x100000000 No opportunity to buy hard drugs. You would have to go looking for it I agree but I think you misquoted someone because they guy above was agreeing with you haha:D
lol fuck my bad. Ill fix that ^^, Sorry Leveller!!!
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On September 02 2012 22:39 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:30 NB wrote:
personally i dont think any substance that could modify/interrupt/alternate your brain's nature thinking process should be legal. This is including alcohol, cigaret and pretty much all the similar drugs that could or could not cause addiction. The reason is that i really dont see any way any how a person should be released from the nature duty of controlling his own behavior. When you execute an action in your life, no matter how small and insignificant it is, you should be responsible for it any place any time. Choices are made solely based on your own personal experience and decision making skill which define who you are and having a drug to erase that from you is like killing, deleting your own signature. Under the drugs effect you are no longer in self control and therefore should be treated as a total different person with a new ID etc...
I do see the argument that legalizing weeds or drugs could have an up side in medicine and health care but i have a hard time seeing why a license or assist system is hard to be deployed for patient that really requires weed as a cure to their sicknesses. Legalizing such dangerous substances is not only putting your health care system on the line, it is also your economy productivities and ultimately the human evolution and existence that could be altered negatively in a long run.
So personally: no, i dont think weed should ever be legalized and they should also ban cigarettes as well as putting a limit on the high % alcohol that one could purchase/keep. I respect any man that has an opinion like this. Even tho I think weed should be legal,I also think that people have the right to want to be safe from people that misuse drugs.If you ban one thing than ban everything all together.Personally I don't see what good it will do because people will just consume it anyway like they do now with illegal drugs and how they did with alcohol during the prohibition. It just disgusts me that I have to live in a culture where it's acceptable to walk into a store and buy hard liquor but I have to deal with shady people sometimes and be on my toes like a criminal that just killed someone every time I want to score good weed.
If this guy is not in his top physical shape able to do what Walter Damiens or some1 like him can do, he is totally b.s.ing
No mind alterning substance ...? How about human experience ? Does that alter how your mind works ? Damn, this humanity..... The potential for most even psychadelic experience is in your brain, even the drugs, thye only trigger them, you can't have the DMT world in that simple formula. Sex is a mind altering experience, near death is totally a completely mind altering experience it's the same as DMT.... Oh my god...
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On September 02 2012 11:20 Noro wrote:
Absolutely not. There's no reason behind this. And it is dangerous. Weed is and will always be a gateway drug. My friend recently died from drug use.. and where did it start? One day in highschool smoking weed.
Legalizing it would mean "controlling" it. And if anyone thinks this would get rid of illegal sales of weed, you're very mistaken. There will always be underground illegal operations. It would be the biggest mistake ever to legalize it.
I've had friends with the same issues, and one of them died from drug use as well. Stop immediately blaming weed as the reason. It's not true. Yes, weed was probably the first illegal substance that he used and then moved onto stronger stuff. But odds are, weed wasn't the actual problem, but an attempt to cope with some problems. I obviously can't speak on behalf of you and your friend, and I won't, but in the case of my friends and everyone else I know who's struggled with drug abuse, weed was an attempt to cope with problems that they couldn't deal with. When weed wasn't strong enough, they moved onto a variety of stronger things.
I know where you are coming from. I originally shared that opinion. Even after 1 year after I started smoking weed I felt that it would be best if it remained illegal. But after doing a lot of research myself, I realized how stupid this is. Yes, there would likely be some illegal sales. To claim that they would all be gone is idiotic. But it would be on a very small, manageable level. You sound like your only source of information on marijuana has been the mainstream "Just say no to drugs" propaganda. You're allowed to have the "keep weed illegal" opinion. That is completely fine. But first, make sure you actually know what you are saying first. (I'm not calling you out for being ignorant. I'm just saying, IF you don't know much more than "weed is bad" then you should do some light reading)
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On September 02 2012 22:34 Th1rdEye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:31 Equity213 wrote:On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!" There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell) Agreed. Its ironic. I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco). How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary. No one wants to do mushrooms consistently and it's literally poisoning your body. Also, its not even in the same class of drugs. Ive taken mushrooms many times and it's been quite awhile since i've done them. Mushrooms are an example of one drug that possibly could be legalized as well.. but all drugs? Your logic is flawed... you could say the same about crack cocaine and heroin. The fact of the matter is marijuana is shown to benefit us in more ways than one...
This is so wrong, most INDEPENDENT studies show that the bad sides of marijuana severely outweigh the good ones if a any. The last one done in the UK on regular teen smokers show an irreversible loss of IQ. Memory loss and attention problems are also verified side effects.
I'm for legalization, you should have the right to smoke weed if you want to. But don't spread misinformation.
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On September 02 2012 23:09 NeonFox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:34 Th1rdEye wrote:On September 02 2012 22:31 Equity213 wrote:On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!" There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell) Agreed. Its ironic. I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco). How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary. No one wants to do mushrooms consistently and it's literally poisoning your body. Also, its not even in the same class of drugs. Ive taken mushrooms many times and it's been quite awhile since i've done them. Mushrooms are an example of one drug that possibly could be legalized as well.. but all drugs? Your logic is flawed... you could say the same about crack cocaine and heroin. The fact of the matter is marijuana is shown to benefit us in more ways than one... This is so wrong, most INDEPENDENT studies show that the bad sides of marijuana severely outweigh the good ones if a any. The last one done in the UK on regular teen smokers show an irreversible loss of IQ. Memory loss and attention problems are also verified side effects. I'm for legalization, you should have the right to smoke weed if you want to. But don't spread misinformation.
It's like everything in this world. A glass of red wine in the evening is good for you. A bottle of red wine in the evening is toxic. Small amounts of marijuana can be beneficial/neutral, but if you smoke a shit ton, you're going to suffer from some negative effects.
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No, I don't think so. It can easily ruin someones life, and those benefiting of it could be helped in other ways.
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