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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:07 caradoc wrote: Just thought I'd pipe in-- the Cannabis/IQ study doesn't actually show causation, just correlation, and the measure of IQ doesn't necessarily actually measure intelligence. And obviously it will be legalized, within a decade or so-- I hope they take the same approach with most drugs. The war on drugs is probably one of the most barbaric practices of our time. On par with the inquisition or what have you. Barbaric is killing people. Barbaric is oppressing and exterminating groups of people. Possession of drugs is not a offense mandating execution in either the US or Canada. During the Inquisition, thousands of innocents were killed or forced to flee because of direct persecution. How does that equate? | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
And here we stand lol On September 03 2012 00:10 Praetorial wrote: Barbaric is killing people. Barbaric is oppressing and exterminating groups of people. Possession of drugs is not a offense mandating execution in either the US or Canada. During the Inquisition, thousands of innocents were killed or forced to flee because of direct persecution. How does that equate? It doesn't equate, he was over exaggerating or didn't understand the word itself. A better word would be hypocritical/idiotic/economically insane/ridiculous/stupid etc etc etc. I do agree, barbaric =/= the war on crime, perhaps the war on terrorism though. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:10 Praetorial wrote: Barbaric is killing people. Barbaric is oppressing and exterminating groups of people. Possession of drugs is not a offense mandating execution in either the US or Canada. During the Inquisition, thousands of innocents were killed or forced to flee because of direct persecution. How does that equate? http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/ Just to extract an example: Veronica Bowers 35 years old Charity Bowers 7 months old In the air over Peru April, 2001 "As part of a long-standing arrangement to stop drug shipments, U.S. government tracking provided the information for the Peruvian Air Force to mistakenly shoot down a Cessna plane carrying missionaries. Killed in the incident were Roni Bowers, a missionary with the Association of Baptists for World Evangelism, and her daughter, Charity. In 2008, a new report surfaced indicating widespread problems with the shoot-down program that had been withheld from Congress by the CIA." It's not called "Drug war" without reason.Innocent people get killed for no reason sometimes out of idiocy.The comparison with Inquisition may be a little harsh but,the way that people treat someone that just has weed on them sometimes is pretty barbaric. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:12 TheKefka wrote: http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/ Just to extract an example: Veronica Bowers 35 years old Charity Bowers 7 months old In the air over Peru April, 2001 "As part of a long-standing arrangement to stop drug shipments, U.S. government tracking provided the information for the Peruvian Air Force to mistakenly shoot down a Cessna plane carrying missionaries. Killed in the incident were Roni Bowers, a missionary with the Association of Baptists for World Evangelism, and her daughter, Charity. In 2008, a new report surfaced indicating widespread problems with the shoot-down program that had been withheld from Congress by the CIA." It's not called "Drug war" without reason. An accident here or there doesn't equate at all, millions upon millions of people have died over the countless years of barbaric atrocities, shooting down a plane mistaken for drug traffic =/= beating women to death or cutting the heads off 17 people for dancing. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote: An accident here or there doesn't equate at all, millions upon millions of people have died over the countless years of barbaric atrocities, shooting down a plane mistaken for drug traffic =/= beating women to death or cutting the heads off 17 people for dancing. People also got their heads cut of because they got intoxicated as well. I'm not saying it's worlds number one problem but to dismiss it as irrelevant is absurd. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:12 TheKefka wrote: http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/ Just to extract an example: Veronica Bowers 35 years old Charity Bowers 7 months old In the air over Peru April, 2001 "As part of a long-standing arrangement to stop drug shipments, U.S. government tracking provided the information for the Peruvian Air Force to mistakenly shoot down a Cessna plane carrying missionaries. Killed in the incident were Roni Bowers, a missionary with the Association of Baptists for World Evangelism, and her daughter, Charity. In 2008, a new report surfaced indicating widespread problems with the shoot-down program that had been withheld from Congress by the CIA." It's not called "Drug war" without reason.Innocent people get killed for no reason sometimes out of idiocy.The comparison with Inquisition may be a little harsh but,the way that people treat someone that just has weed on them is pretty barbaric. Aaaand over the past twelve years, the number of people that have died as a purposeful act of the government as on that page has been lower than any barbarism of the past, like the war of the Hutus and Tutsis, or the genocide perpetrated by Turkey on the Armenians, or even those that have died from the invasion of Europeans into North and South America. It's not barbarism. Most of those people died in accidents, accidents that were purposeful actions by the government, but accidents nonetheless. On September 03 2012 00:18 TheKefka wrote: People also got their heads cut of because they got intoxicated as well. I'm not saying it's worlds number one problem but to dismiss it as irrelevant is absurd. I'm not dismissing it. I just don't like the word barbarism being used here. | ||
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VitaToss
United States14 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
And no I barely smoke the stuff. Last time I smoked a joint must have been about 2 years ago. But I'd rather have 18 year olds buying the stuff from a legal outlet rather than some crackhead, gangster etc. Alcohol is far far worse than weed. People generally never get violent when smoking pot, but if you look at the average British high street on a Friday night, you'll see what alcohol has done to this country. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On September 02 2012 23:56 Kurumi wrote: I think this is the closest thing I can get behind... The adults aren't exactly the problem with this, but the minors are. I have no experience how bad could be mixing marijuana, alcohol and cigarettes together in big quantities, but it doesn't sound good to me. That's why you need quality education on the matter. I already have an idea who should pay for it. Nah, not us, but the guys who make a profit off of it. If that's the state, which would already get a ton of cash via taxes, all the better and you can just incorporate it in school. Start 5th grade or whatever, fuck all the bigots and fearmongers who still think sex ed will get their pretty gurlz pregnant. If it's big business emerging from the weed industry, tax them so fucking hard so they can't even become big business, because anyone who makes pervertedly large amounts of cash with anything probably doesn't deserve it and should be required to pay it back to society, which actually provides them the opportunity to earn as much. They fight and lobby? Threaten illegalization, see how their customer base reacts and just tread on. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:19 Praetorial wrote: Aaaand over the past twelve years, the number of people that have died as a purposeful act of the government as on that page has been lower than any barbarism of the past, like the war of the Hutus and Tutsis, or the genocide perpetrated by Turkey on the Armenians, or even those that have died from the invasion of Europeans into North and South America. It's not barbarism. Most of those people died in accidents, accidents that were purposeful actions by the government, but accidents nonetheless. I'm not dismissing it. I just don't like the word barbarism being used here. W/e man I don't need beheadings to be able to classify something as barbaric behavior. If 40 k people got slaughtered in Mexico alone in the last 5 years just because of drug wars than that's pretty barbaric if you ask me.It happens because the people running the game aren't too sympathetic about individual needs. Harsh drug laws only empower the ones that are dedicated to break it and provide the product to the consumer base,which always exists. This is a general drug problem tho,so I don't want to get into this any further,as we are just discussing why cannabis should/shouldn't be legal. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On September 02 2012 11:22 Mohdoo wrote: Alcohol is harder to get in high school than weed is. i think this is an us problem ^^ in germany and most other countrys beer is legal with 16 !!! also we are allowed to drink outside etc | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:28 docvoc wrote: If anyone remembers the mafia of the 1900's and their gambling rings, that is what this would look like if it were legalized. Most people point to the industry, but if weed were legalized there would be HUGE changed in this country to make sure drug gangs didn't become big. Mexico is something the U.S. does not want to become. Holy fuck, did you just use all of the arguments there have ever been AGAINST prohibition FOR banning weed? Or did I just not get your post at all? I demand an IQ study of people who breathe, I bet there's correlation somewhere, that every year you lose a certain amount of the already arbitrary measurement IQ. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:32 CoR wrote: i think this is an us problem ^^ in germany and most other countrys beer is legal with 16 !!! also we are allowed to drink outside etc Here in Croatia it's legal only from the age of 18 but it's stupidly easy to buy it as a minor. I have see 14 year olds buy Vodka like it was chocolate,not to mention 16-17 year olds. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:09 mynameisgreat11 wrote: 1 - Total deaths from Cannabis overdose: 0 2 - Total deaths caused from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription drugs: hundreds of thousands per year. 3 - Marijuana's current status as illegal does not prevent anyone from smoking it who cares to. Depending on what poll you look at, 40-60 percent of the US population under the age of 21 has smoked at least once, and about 10-15 percent smoke regularly. We've all heard anecdotal evidence that high school age children often have a harder time acquiring beer than marijuana. 4 - Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer from disease for which marijuana can provide some relief, but are denied access. 5 - Marijuana laws typically prosecute marijuana users on a similar level to users of cocaine, heroin, and meth. 6 - Many professionals are marijuana users. The stereotype of a lazy fuck-up exists for smokers and non-smokers alike. Some notable smokers include Bill Gates, Rick Steves, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Francis Crick, Andrew Weil, Kary Mullis, Oliver Sacks, Richard Feynman, and the list goes on and on if you care to look. 7 - If marijuana was legalized, the gateway drug argument would be rendered moot. It would separate its black market dealings from other drugs such as heroin and cocaine. It would be controlled and regulated, and would not lead to harder drugs any more than alcohol or tobacco would. 8 - Studies have shown that marijuana use does not negatively impact your brain, but it is a moot point when discussing legality. Alcohol is 100% proven to damage your brain, liver, and many other systems in your body, and yet it remains legal. Cannabis' negative physical side effects are at the worst controversial, and at best hardly existent. This is not a basis for prohibition. I'm shamelessly quoting my own post. I feel like I raised good points here. Does anybody disagree with them? | ||
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GnarlyArbitrage
575 Posts
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
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Meta
United States6226 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:42 KentHenry wrote: I think it should be decriminalized but not legal. Like if you're caught driving under the influence. Having driven "under the influence" of marijuana countless hundreds of times, trust me when I say that it's way, way safer than driving drunk. In fact, for me it's safer than driving sober because I'm not in a hurry and I don't get road rage when I'm high. | ||
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