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On September 02 2012 21:43 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:03 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:32 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice. I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion. Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it. Google drug war in Mexico. It has everything to do with it. If Mexico exported marijuana instead of smuggling it, a lot more innocent people would be alive today. My point is that if you really want to smoke a joint that's you own choice to damage your own brain, like its your choice not to whether its legal or not. google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary. 1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized. 2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically. 3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike. 4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it. 5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal. 1. Good 2. As someone who smoked cigarettes for the past 5 years and still didnt get addicted I can say you gotta be retarded to do it... no wait this argument is worthless 3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad. 4. Same story again. 5. Did that, unfortunately I cant tell you if weed is harmless after smoking few joints. You have this weird mentality that weed is a life destroying, muscle melting, mind altering drug. It isnt. Nicotine in cigarettes is more addictive than even cocaine, so it is extremely easy to get hooked and keep going back for more. That is legal. Cigarettes and alcohol do more damage to one brain than marijuana does, yet they are legal? Can you see what Im getting at? Finally? Luckily for you, as I have said I smoked weed for 5 years religiously every single day. I left it the very next day. No withdrawals. No cravings. no stealing my moms shit to go buys the stuff. Nothing.... I even got through school with good scores got a decent job and everything.
Good for you then, you are smart enough not go for hard drugs and weed didnt have any negative impact on you. Now go to a place where they where they treat drug addiction and ask them about they stories if they started with weed. Even if only 0,5% of ppl will end up runing their lives because of it I will still vote for it being illegal.
Alcohol is bad I think we agreed on it already but thats not an argument to legalize drugs.
teddyoojo
I judge ppl by their actions and what your friends parents are doing is just dumb.
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gasmeter, get the fuck out of here. you are destroying a legitimate thread on this problem.
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On September 02 2012 21:45 gasmeter wrote:
People must acknowledge that taking drugs is a problem.
Go cut off your LAN wire and smash your PC into pieces, it's all drugs.
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On September 02 2012 21:47 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:SINCE YOU IGNORE ME GASMETER, I REPEAT Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:27 gasmeter wrote:On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand.  I'd like to understand right now, so I can stop smoking it. Please dude, why won't you help a fellow brother in dire need? Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:29 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Exactly,I can't say I didn't try other drugs but I never tried shit like Heroin. That being said I was offered other drugs as I said before.The reasons why have nothing to do with weed in general and I would have never found myself in a situation where I have to make a decision if I want to take such an offer if I could just walk a few blocks down the street and get good weed there in legal way. The gateway drug theory is just absurd and people that use it as an argument have no idea what they are talking about. Yeah lol, the guy I'm getting my weed from who's probably some sort of hitman or has been, judging from the paintings gracing his body, always tells me about how he's never done weed really, "because it gets him fucked up" (probably because he has to use his brain then LOL). But he snacks dem pills like it was made out of corn sugar and offered me countless times already to get fucked up with him. Seriously, people who have no experience at all and then present the ever so old story about their friend ODing from heroine "BUT HE USED WEED WHEN HE WAS 15 DURRR", come in this thread to explain to everybody else, how weed would magically pop your veins out, so you get the craving after some good ol heroine. Just in addition, the people who once developed all the hard drugs like Heroine, Ecstasy, etc. pp. and just threw it at humanity while knowing about all the addiction and often mortal side effects, are the same people who made loads of cash off of it and their corporations nowadays are the ones to sign the biggest cheque to people in power. I can't think of any lobby as powerful as the pharmalobby, sharing the throne only with the armsdealers (OH SHIT, now I just realized what we could ban of weed instead). From Wikipedia: In 1895, the German drug company Bayer marketed diacetylmorphine as an over-the-counter drug under the trademark name Heroin.[51] The name was derived from the Greek word "Heros" because of its perceived "heroic" effects upon a user.[51] It was developed chiefly as a morphine substitute for cough suppressants that did not have morphine's addictive side-effects. Morphine at the time was a popular recreational drug, and Bayer wished to find a similar but non-addictive substitute to market. However, contrary to Bayer's advertising as a "non-addictive morphine substitute," heroin would soon have one of the highest rates of dependence among its users.[52] Yea, you believe Bayer and the likes are less evil nowadays? I don't. And guess who puts all the words in people like yours mouthes and every major media corporation? Them. Go figure now, or just answer to my post
I understand your desire to want to take drugs that are illegal and cause damage to your body in many ways. But, what question of yours was I supposed to be answering?
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On September 02 2012 21:40 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:38 Nottoo wrote:On September 02 2012 21:35 gasmeter wrote:On September 02 2012 21:33 Za7oX wrote:On September 02 2012 21:24 gasmeter wrote:On September 02 2012 21:22 Ogww wrote:On September 02 2012 21:19 gasmeter wrote:
Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit. Makes you feel good. Some people count that as benefit. The cons heavily outweigh the pros, hence, it should not be used. i guess your a teen Quite the contrary, actually. Your comment is rather absurd. The way you type, the way you respond and the extent of your naivety gives the impression of a young teen. His comment was not absurd, you should examine your own actions. ''The way you type...'' I see nothing wrong with the way I type. ''you should examine your own actions'' What? I am merely stating my opinion on this topic.
You make statements and show no sources. You show the same kind of vague knowledge someone gets in an early high school anti-drug seminar. You say weed is a gateway drug, ignoring all the studies that say alcohol by far the most often drug first taken before any others - as well as the fact that it lowers inhibitions which helps people try other drugs. Here's one article on it http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/, a quick google search gives far more studies from plenty of universities and other countries which support the concept of alcohol being the ultimate gateway drug. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)61462-6/fulltext is a study that shows that alcohol is considered a far greater danger to society than any drug, including heroin and cocaine.
And to top it off, with all of your vagueness, you make comments like "when you're older you'll understand" and "it's bad for you"... while you clearly can't even begin to understand the subject.
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I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money.
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On September 02 2012 21:49 syriuszonito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:03 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:32 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice. I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion. Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it. Google drug war in Mexico. It has everything to do with it. If Mexico exported marijuana instead of smuggling it, a lot more innocent people would be alive today. My point is that if you really want to smoke a joint that's you own choice to damage your own brain, like its your choice not to whether its legal or not. google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary. 1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized. 2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically. 3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike. 4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it. 5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal. 1. Good 2. As someone who smoked cigarettes for the past 5 years and still didnt get addicted I can say you gotta be retarded to do it... no wait this argument is worthless 3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad. 4. Same story again. 5. Did that, unfortunately I cant tell you if weed is harmless after smoking few joints. You have this weird mentality that weed is a life destroying, muscle melting, mind altering drug. It isnt. Nicotine in cigarettes is more addictive than even cocaine, so it is extremely easy to get hooked and keep going back for more. That is legal. Cigarettes and alcohol do more damage to one brain than marijuana does, yet they are legal? Can you see what Im getting at? Finally? Luckily for you, as I have said I smoked weed for 5 years religiously every single day. I left it the very next day. No withdrawals. No cravings. no stealing my moms shit to go buys the stuff. Nothing.... I even got through school with good scores got a decent job and everything. Good for you then, you are smart enough not go for hard drugs and weed didnt have any negative impact on you. Now go to a place where they where they treat drug addiction and ask them about they stories if they started with weed. Even if only 0,5% of ppl will end up runing their lives because of it I will still vote for it being illegal.
You could ask them if they breathe and go figure after, it all started with that oxygen. Better ban oxygen!
In all seriousness, weed has nothing in common with other drugs, just like alcohol doesnt and nicotine doesn't and caffeine, doesn't. Just use your brain and ask yourself why these people are at those places, it isn't because of the weed, but because of shit our very own race has artificially created, which just fucks people up.
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I dont understand the answer in the middle of the poll in the first page and I also dont understand why the poll says "yes".
People are to stupid to handle weed and it give the country trouble so why allow it?
Besdies they can save themselves the trouble and its not like people will actully complain about it.
Dealers will always exist, even if it is legal and sold in stores.
The number of people that have weed controling them is greater then the people that actully know what they are doing when they smoke.
And whats with the 2nd answer on the poll? Not everyone here is a teen.
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Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit.
Care to elaborate?
The cons heavily outweigh the pros, hence, it should not be used.
Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand.
Quite the contrary, actually. Your comment is rather absurd
Not quite sure you understand the theory.
People must acknowledge that taking drugs is a problem.
gasmeter your every post in this thread has been nothing but a one liner.Either make a decent post or gtfo
User was warned for this post
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On September 02 2012 21:51 Svetz wrote:
I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money.
Nothing stopping them spending it on booze, smokes or gambling it away either though. Personal choice.
To be honest I don't think I should be penalised because of the actions of others. I don't want to have to go to a drug dealer, I want to know where my weed came from and I want to know strain it is. I feel the government will have to talk legalisation in the next ten years, even Davey boy admitted himself that the governments war on drugs has failed. Punishing weed users is doing nothing to help anyone in the UK at least.
CrtBalorda showing how smart he is. Tell me, why would dealers exist in the form they did today if weed was a regulated, legal product you can buy in a shop? Dealers deal for one reason - money. The moment its legalised the price plummets, and you may see small amounts of dealing (just like dodgy booze and cigs) but nowhere near the amount that existed before. Think before you speak.
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Only cauz some bad stuff(alcohol , cigarrtes) are legal , doesnt mean other bad stuffs(weed)should be legal too
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On September 02 2012 21:51 Svetz wrote:
I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money.
by legalizing it so you can actually regulate it. if you want to sit at home living of welfare buying your weed, theres nothing the government can do about it. now if its legal, the state can regulate how much weed you buy etc.
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Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal.
People will still use it
This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco
this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone
This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke
It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug".
Wow! Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right?
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On September 02 2012 21:50 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:47 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:SINCE YOU IGNORE ME GASMETER, I REPEAT On September 02 2012 21:27 gasmeter wrote:On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand. I'd like to understand right now, so I can stop smoking it. Please dude, why won't you help a fellow brother in dire need? On September 02 2012 21:29 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Exactly,I can't say I didn't try other drugs but I never tried shit like Heroin. That being said I was offered other drugs as I said before.The reasons why have nothing to do with weed in general and I would have never found myself in a situation where I have to make a decision if I want to take such an offer if I could just walk a few blocks down the street and get good weed there in legal way. The gateway drug theory is just absurd and people that use it as an argument have no idea what they are talking about. Yeah lol, the guy I'm getting my weed from who's probably some sort of hitman or has been, judging from the paintings gracing his body, always tells me about how he's never done weed really, "because it gets him fucked up" (probably because he has to use his brain then LOL). But he snacks dem pills like it was made out of corn sugar and offered me countless times already to get fucked up with him. Seriously, people who have no experience at all and then present the ever so old story about their friend ODing from heroine "BUT HE USED WEED WHEN HE WAS 15 DURRR", come in this thread to explain to everybody else, how weed would magically pop your veins out, so you get the craving after some good ol heroine. Just in addition, the people who once developed all the hard drugs like Heroine, Ecstasy, etc. pp. and just threw it at humanity while knowing about all the addiction and often mortal side effects, are the same people who made loads of cash off of it and their corporations nowadays are the ones to sign the biggest cheque to people in power. I can't think of any lobby as powerful as the pharmalobby, sharing the throne only with the armsdealers (OH SHIT, now I just realized what we could ban of weed instead). From Wikipedia: In 1895, the German drug company Bayer marketed diacetylmorphine as an over-the-counter drug under the trademark name Heroin.[51] The name was derived from the Greek word "Heros" because of its perceived "heroic" effects upon a user.[51] It was developed chiefly as a morphine substitute for cough suppressants that did not have morphine's addictive side-effects. Morphine at the time was a popular recreational drug, and Bayer wished to find a similar but non-addictive substitute to market. However, contrary to Bayer's advertising as a "non-addictive morphine substitute," heroin would soon have one of the highest rates of dependence among its users.[52] Yea, you believe Bayer and the likes are less evil nowadays? I don't. And guess who puts all the words in people like yours mouthes and every major media corporation? Them. Go figure now, or just answer to my post I understand your desire to want to take drugs that are illegal and cause damage to your body in many ways. But, what question of yours was I supposed to be answering?
"Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand." You could've just opened the spoiler and answered to my request, instead of making me spam even more into this thread. I hope I can stop posting after this, either because you get the fuck out, or you show some sense and argue with reason, not with shit like "because it is..". I want a comprehensive explanation as to why it is bad for me in a way I cannot understand right now, because you think every weedsmoker is some immature fuck, who thinks about nothing but skateboards and fapping to porn. I hate skating btw.
To refute everything I believe you could say in advance, even if you could prove to me weed will kill me when im 80 years old, which I wouldn't give a single fuck about and which you just can't, because it hasn't been proven and probably never will, WHERE DO YOU GET THE RIGHT TO TAKE MY RIGHT AWAY TO DO TO MYSELF WHAT THE FUCK I WANT WITHOUT HARMING ANYBODY?
If I want to kill myself, will you deny me having my name on the gravestone I'm buried under? Will you sue the company selling the ropes I hung myself with? I guess not and I know why. Because it doesn't have a single fuck to do with me wanting to mortally harm myself.
Wow, I'm getting so angry at you, I will take the ban just to unleash e-Holocaust on you in my next post if you don't get the fuck out or put some effort in to back your claims in your next post. But before, I will report you, like probably some people already did for good reason. And just for the record, I'm probably miles away ahead of you in terms of cognitive abilities and I did realize you were trolling from your very first post in this thread. But I think you're a good target to aim my general claims as to why weed should be legalized at, because you can't even defend yourself. Thank you very much for this.
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On September 02 2012 21:55 CrtBalorda wrote:
I dont understand the answer in the middle of the poll in the first page and I also dont understand why the poll says "yes".
People are to stupid to handle weed and it give the country trouble so why allow it?
Besdies they can save themselves the trouble and its not like people will actully complain about it.
Dealers will always exist, even if it is legal and sold in stores.
The number of people that have weed controling them is greater then the people that actully know what they are doing when they smoke.
And whats with the 2nd answer on the poll? Not everyone here is a teen.
Please cite sources of countries that have legalized weed and have had trouble because of it. The Netherlands have been doing just fine since their decriminalizing of weed. Also Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs and they have experienced far lower crime rates, deaths and HIV infections due to dirty needles as a result (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html)- while the number of people going into rehab has increased because people weren't afraid of being arrested.
Your opinion is worth nothing without facts to back it up.
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On September 02 2012 22:01 Nottoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:55 CrtBalorda wrote:
I dont understand the answer in the middle of the poll in the first page and I also dont understand why the poll says "yes".
People are to stupid to handle weed and it give the country trouble so why allow it?
Besdies they can save themselves the trouble and its not like people will actully complain about it.
Dealers will always exist, even if it is legal and sold in stores.
The number of people that have weed controling them is greater then the people that actully know what they are doing when they smoke.
And whats with the 2nd answer on the poll? Not everyone here is a teen. Please cite sources of countries that have legalized weed and have had trouble because of it. The Netherlands have been doing just fine since their decriminalizing of weed. Also Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs and they have experienced far lower crime rates, deaths and HIV infections due to dirty needles as a result (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html)- while the number of people going into rehab has increased because people weren't afraid of being arrested. Your opinion is worth nothing without facts to back it up.
Don't feed the moron trolls dude. We all know he has no idea what he's talking about.
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On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow! Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right?
OMG exactly this.
The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim
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All drugs should be illegal as long as we ban other things that aren't healthy for us also, IE Cars, airplanes, fast food, camp fires, horses (they kick REALLY fucking hard yo), skydiving, cliff diving, living in places where natural disasters happen, mosquitos (WEST NILE MOTHERFUCKER), snakes, peanuts, guns, knives and anything sharp at all, toasters, alcohol (redundant I know), rock climbing, car racing, rodeos, boxing, football, our shitty fucking healthcare system, red meat, couches, television, junk food, and all types of energy production except for solar/wind.
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On September 02 2012 22:02 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:01 Nottoo wrote:On September 02 2012 21:55 CrtBalorda wrote:
I dont understand the answer in the middle of the poll in the first page and I also dont understand why the poll says "yes".
People are to stupid to handle weed and it give the country trouble so why allow it?
Besdies they can save themselves the trouble and its not like people will actully complain about it.
Dealers will always exist, even if it is legal and sold in stores.
The number of people that have weed controling them is greater then the people that actully know what they are doing when they smoke.
And whats with the 2nd answer on the poll? Not everyone here is a teen. Please cite sources of countries that have legalized weed and have had trouble because of it. The Netherlands have been doing just fine since their decriminalizing of weed. Also Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs and they have experienced far lower crime rates, deaths and HIV infections due to dirty needles as a result (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html)- while the number of people going into rehab has increased because people weren't afraid of being arrested. Your opinion is worth nothing without facts to back it up. Don't feed the moron trolls dude. We all know he has no idea what he's talking about.
I'm just genuinely interested if there's a legitimate side to their argument. Of course i'm probably being hopelessly optimistic about the intelligence of these people, but I don't want to be too locked into my own world view. Maybe I'll learn something. Shame they've brought nothing to the table so far though.
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On September 02 2012 22:04 DamnCats wrote:
All drugs should be illegal as long as we ban other things that aren't healthy for us also, IE Cars, airplanes, fast food, camp fires, horses (they kick REALLY fucking hard yo), skydiving, cliff diving, living in places where natural disasters happen, mosquitos (WEST NILE MOTHERFUCKER), snakes, peanuts, guns, knives and anything sharp at all, toasters, alcohol (redundant I know), rock climbing, car racing, rodeos, boxing, football, our shitty fucking healthcare system, red meat, couches, television, junk food, and all types of energy production except for solar/wind.
You forgot politicians and big business bro. I will die from the rage they incite inside me, before I could kill myself with all the stuff stupid, naive and narrow-minded people deem to be too dangerous to use them.
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