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On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here.
Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit.
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On September 02 2012 21:13 cactusjack914 wrote:Show nested quote +Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high. more likely to commit crimes? more likely to spend 5hrs playing stacraft 2.
That guy has to be trolling. I refuse to believe someone is that stupid. Commit crimes while high? The stereotype of a stoner being a slow speaking, slow moving guy is there for a reason - weed pacifies you. It doesn't jack you up to do things.
Alcohol on the other hand makes plenty of people much more aggressive and energetic, hence street/bar fights late at night as well as plenty of sexual assault crimes.
Edit: @ gasmeter - no benefit? Despite the many listed benefits of weed for people who have trouble keeping food down on an upset stomach such as chemo patients, hungover people or otherwise? The fact that weed can help you relax if your anxious or stressed while not having the addictive aspects of alcohol or cigarettes? The fact that Psilocybin in mushrooms gives some people an uplifting spiritual experience that can change the way they conduct their lives for the better? The fact that many famous authors, innovators and scientists have taken drugs in the past to open their minds be far more creative, such as Aldous Huxley's "The Doors of Perception" which he wrote due to his experiences with mescaline?
You're incredibly naive.
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On September 02 2012 21:11 gasmeter wrote:
''Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't.''
Drugs do kill, actually.
rofl
some of you people, its just so ridiculous
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On September 02 2012 21:10 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:03 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:32 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice. I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion. Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it. Google drug war in Mexico. It has everything to do with it. If Mexico exported marijuana instead of smuggling it, a lot more innocent people would be alive today. My point is that if you really want to smoke a joint that's you own choice to damage your own brain, like its your choice not to whether its legal or not. google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary. 1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized. 2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically. 3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike. 4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it. 5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal. 3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad. In the USA, close to 90% (88-89) of all marijuana prosecutions are for possession, not dealing. They just lie to us and say that they're going after dealers. Also, in what way can killing be justified for weed? There's no way to argue that using/selling marijuana is even CLOSE to bad enough to justify death. EDIT: Can't tell if this guy is trolling, or I don't understand what he's trying to say...
Yeah because both possession and dealing is illegal and obviously there are more ppl who just smoke it than actual dealers?
Killing justified for weed? What the fuck, how clueless can you go with this argument Jesus. Government is not killing anoyone beacuse he smokes weed. The guys who die are fucking criminals willing to kill other ppl just to defend their illegal business. THEY are the problem, not the government or the bad law. If you really dont get it then I beg you to stop replying to me.
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On September 02 2012 21:19 Nottoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:13 cactusjack914 wrote:Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high. more likely to commit crimes? more likely to spend 5hrs playing stacraft 2. That guy has to be trolling. I refuse to believe someone is that stupid. Commit crimes while high? The stereotype of a stoner being a slow speaking, slow moving guy is there for a reason - weed pacifies you. It doesn't jack you up to do things. Alcohol on the other hand makes plenty of people much more aggressive and energetic, hence street/bar fights late at night as well as plenty of sexual assault crimes.
As someone who did some law enforcement its not rare for people who have munchies to break in to homes or stores to steal food
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On September 02 2012 21:19 gasmeter wrote:
Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit.
Makes you feel good. Some people count that as benefit.
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On September 02 2012 21:20 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:11 gasmeter wrote:
''Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't.''
Drugs do kill, actually. rofl some of you people, its just so ridiculous
Care to elaborate?
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On September 02 2012 21:22 Ogww wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:19 gasmeter wrote:
Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit. Makes you feel good. Some people count that as benefit.
The cons heavily outweigh the pros, hence, it should not be used. 
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On September 02 2012 21:19 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha! Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit.
Your notion of a "complete waste of time" may not be the same as that of someone else.
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On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here.
Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old.
Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF
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On September 02 2012 21:21 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:19 Nottoo wrote:On September 02 2012 21:13 cactusjack914 wrote:Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high. more likely to commit crimes? more likely to spend 5hrs playing stacraft 2. That guy has to be trolling. I refuse to believe someone is that stupid. Commit crimes while high? The stereotype of a stoner being a slow speaking, slow moving guy is there for a reason - weed pacifies you. It doesn't jack you up to do things. Alcohol on the other hand makes plenty of people much more aggressive and energetic, hence street/bar fights late at night as well as plenty of sexual assault crimes. As someone who did some law enforcement its not rare for people who have munchies to break in to homes or stores to steal food
Even if you did (this is so anecdotal and I've never heard of it happening before, so I'm having trouble believing you), I'm willing to bet that the frequency of those crimes were faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar smaller than alcohol-related incidents.
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On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF
Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand.
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On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF
Exactly,I can't say I didn't try other drugs but I never tried shit like Heroin.
That being said I was offered other drugs as I said before.The reasons why have nothing to do with weed in general and I would have never found myself in a situation where I have to make a decision if I want to take such an offer if I could just walk a few blocks down the street and get good weed there in legal way.
The gateway drug theory is just absurd and people that use it as an argument have no idea what they are talking about.
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This thread proves why it will never be legalized. If even 1 young man out of 1.000.000 think it should be illegal, why would humanity deserve less ?
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On September 02 2012 21:27 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand.
I'd like to understand right now, so I can stop smoking it. Please dude, why won't you help a fellow brother in dire need?
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On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it.
You make so many good points and your story i can relate to aswell. I wish i could add more to this thread other than i personally think weed should be legalized, regulated and taxed, if you like to smoke weed you should be allowed too without being a criminal or having to associate with such people but if you dont like to smoke you dont have too its your choice
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I'll never smoke anything but I wouldn't mind weed being legal
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On September 02 2012 21:29 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Exactly,I can't say I didn't try other drugs but I never tried shit like Heroin. That being said I was offered other drugs as I said before.The reasons why have nothing to do with weed in general and I would have never found myself in a situation where I have to make a decision if I want to take such an offer if I could just walk a few blocks down the street and get good weed there in legal way. The gateway drug theory is just absurd and people that use it as an argument have no idea what they are talking about.
Well, the gateway drug theory is genuine and research has proved that the majority of hard drug users used softer drugs in the past. Also, I do know what I am talking about.
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On September 02 2012 21:20 syriuszonito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:10 TALegion wrote:On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:03 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:32 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice. I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion. Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it. Google drug war in Mexico. It has everything to do with it. If Mexico exported marijuana instead of smuggling it, a lot more innocent people would be alive today. My point is that if you really want to smoke a joint that's you own choice to damage your own brain, like its your choice not to whether its legal or not. google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary. 1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized. 2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically. 3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike. 4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it. 5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal. 3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad. In the USA, close to 90% (88-89) of all marijuana prosecutions are for possession, not dealing. They just lie to us and say that they're going after dealers. Also, in what way can killing be justified for weed? There's no way to argue that using/selling marijuana is even CLOSE to bad enough to justify death. EDIT: Can't tell if this guy is trolling, or I don't understand what he's trying to say... Yeah because both possession and dealing is illegal and obviously there are more ppl who just smoke it than actual dealers? Killing justified for weed? What the fuck, how clueless can you go with this argument Jesus. Government is not killing anoyone beacuse he smokes weed. The guys who die are fucking criminals willing to kill other ppl just to defend their illegal business. THEY are the problem, not the government or the bad law. If you really dont get it then I beg you to stop replying to me.
Sir, a marine was killed in a drug raid literally just the other day. Guess what? There were no drugs. Police brutality and corruption here is common enough to be considered
On September 02 2012 21:27 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:25 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 21:14 TheKefka wrote:On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life. Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for. Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff. All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany. Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it. Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs. In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC. He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched? The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it. I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people. I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above. Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs. Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier. Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything. Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it. Johnny Blaze has a point here. Haha :D I sometimes forget about that username I took when I was 12 years old. Btw, just to take the hot air out of the stupidly overblown gateway drug yadda yadda: Like said, I've been using weed for well over 10 years now, yet I havent touched anything else besides the already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Not even shrooms and other natural shit, I just wanna smoke my kush, so why not let me do it in peace? WTF Because it is bad for you! One day, you'll understand.
I don't think many people actually believe it's positive. I think the general concensus is that it's not negative enough to justify all of this bullshit that has happened because of prohibition (which is a complete failure).
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On September 02 2012 21:24 gasmeter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:22 Ogww wrote:On September 02 2012 21:19 gasmeter wrote:
Haha!
Doing drugs is a complete waste of time. There is absolutely no benefit. Makes you feel good. Some people count that as benefit. The cons heavily outweigh the pros, hence, it should not be used.
i guess your a teen
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