Should weed be legalized? - Page 14

On September 02 2012 20:35 TALegion wrote:

As with everything, remember this: Are all stoners you see lazy slobs, or do you just recognize all of those lazy slobs as stoners? If you don't recognize someone as a smoker when you just see them, they're doing their jobs right. If you can tell immediately, they're the crappy minority of users who stopped giving a shit a long time ago.

On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:


google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary.

On September 02 2012 20:27 RockIronrod wrote:

Look at weed smokers.
Are they, in general, wise looking to you?

On September 02 2012 20:48 ZerglingKing.sc wrote:

Legal but given with prescription

On September 02 2012 20:42 RockIronrod wrote:

I know people in both camps.
And I know that the sheer amount of people that exist in the stoned slacker category means we'd devastate our youths if marijuana was legal. A minority can get it right now, and if it were legalized every teen on earth would be smoking it, more readily than there is underage drinking, which is already a big enough problem as is.
Having any number of easily acquired mind altering substances available is bad enough. One as subtle and easily hidden like weed is even worse.
And if it's hard for minors to acquire, who do you think will be the only ones patronizing the shady dealers?

On September 02 2012 20:42 RockIronrod wrote:

I know people in both camps.
And I know that the sheer amount of people that exist in the stoned slacker category means we'd devastate our youths if marijuana was legal. A minority can get it right now, and if it were legalized every teen on earth would be smoking it, more readily than there is underage drinking, which is already a big enough problem as is.
Having any number of easily acquired mind altering substances available is bad enough. One as subtle and easily hidden like weed is even worse.
And if it's hard for minors to acquire, who do you think will be the only ones patronizing the shady dealers?

On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:


1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized.

2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically.

3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike.

4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it.

5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal.

On September 02 2012 11:25 Luepert wrote:


My cousin died at age 30 from drug overdose. He too started on weed and worked his way up. I can honestly say most of the troubles in his life were caused by drugs, fighting for them, stealing money to buy them etc. It's a horrible lifestye nobody should have to live.

A Missouri Western State University study conducted in 2009 found that a majority of subjects examined - 67 percent - went on to smoke marijuana after they had already begun consuming alcohol, not the other way around.

"We found that for our study, the more alcohol someone drinks the more likely they will be to want to smoke marijuana," wrote the study's authors.

"Marijuana is called the gateway drug. It is considered the worst drug available because is supposedly causes its users to move on to harder drugs. What people don't realize is that marijuana use comes after someone is already using alcohol and tobacco,

On September 02 2012 19:18 Chaosvuistje wrote:


When holland stood out from the rest of the world by having decriminalized marihuana, our nation plumetted into the biggest recession in its history. Everybody just stayed at home, smoked like a chimney. People even forgot about work and alcohol altogether. Here's a graph displaying the overall unemployment:


Source: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werkloosheid_in_Nederland

They started limitting the amount of pot people could carry or grow to 5 plants and 5 grams a person. The year that started to get enforced, employment boosted and people were finally motivated again. Our women got prettier, our workplace smelled nicer and most importantly we finally had a reason to start drinking alcohol again, everything was back to being perfectly normal.

If you still haven't picked up on the sarcasm yet, allow me to put a sarcasm tag right here [/sarcasm]

People who think the moment it gets legalized everyone will flock to dealers en masse and become a stoner should be put in the same kind of group with the people who believe if gay marriage gets legalized every male turns queer. Government has less impact on the behavior of a society than any other factor like schools, work places and family.

Here in 'weed utopia' we have a low weed usage not because the government enforces it, but because peer pressure keeps us from wanting to be 'that pot smoking dude'. Even though it is decriminalized here, it gets stigmatized just like an alcoholic would be, even slightly more. The people around us influence our behavior, not the government's laws.

On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:


Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life.

Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for.
Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff.
All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany.
Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it.

Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs.
In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC.
He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched?

The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it.

I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people.

I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above.

Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs.
Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier.
Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything.
Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it.

On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:

3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad.

On September 02 2012 21:11 gasmeter wrote:
Marijuana should not be legalised. Simple.

Imo legalizing weed is a bit egoistic, while it may not be harmful for yourself, you are more likely to commit crimes or cause accidents while high.

On September 02 2012 19:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:


Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life.

Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for.
Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff.
All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany.
Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it.

Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs.
In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC.
He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched?

The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it.

I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people.

I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above.

Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs.
Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier.
Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything.
Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it.