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I am for legalizing it, but under restrictions and "law enforcement" (like alcohol). But also im for draconic fines if you for example get catched stoned behind the wheel of your car. Because it does not matter what weedheads try to tell the world - weed has an impact on your ability to drive.
The one thing that bugs me is, that you can tell immediately when someone is drunk (you cant hide the smell and the impact on your tongue, etc) - even if he just drank a bit. But you cant tell when someone smoked a joint immediately. You could explain strawberry-eyes with alot of things, so.. Im pretty torn. There has to be some kind of control, especially in regards of busdrivers, pilots, stuff like that. I would not want my busdriver stoned behind the wheel.
In your basement, do what you want with your body - that should be a decision open to just yourself. Pump heroin in your veigns, cut yourself, smoke weed or horsemanure, i dont care. But as soon as it could have an impact on "normal life" for others, i lose my "will" to fight for legalisation.
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no legalizing weed would cost millions of fourth sector jobs, lol
Apart from that it won't happen in my country either way, independent from right or wrong, so thinking about it would be pretty pointless.
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[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:48 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:32 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:21 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 17:43 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 16:02 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 12:27 JacobShock wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 11:59 NTTemplar wrote:
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edit- somehow quoted the wrong thing XD
who are you to declare whether something is a "good" decision or not? weed has never been proven harmful. no one has ever died from it, and more and more studies show that it has valid medical uses such as curing cancer. dont tell me what to do because you think you have good judgement. i believe living life "substance free" is an admirable thing but dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of steps between being deadly and being good.
Weed, different from the other things I mentioned, might not be deadly but it is still greatly harmful.
To find the plethora of negative effects of weed is easy, and they speak for themselves, I question your judgement if you don't think it is harmful.
That is not to say it doesn't have positive effects that in situations can outweight the bad which is the case for a lot of medicine.
However as someone said, a lot of medicine is still controlled heavily since it is easy to missuse.
I am no "pro-substance free" I am pro-notputtingthingsintoyourbodythatjustfucksitup, but I don't tell people what to do either, the thread asked for my opinion which I gave, I still don't go spreading it like religion; by all means, kill yourself or otherwise diminish your life with whatever substance you'd like. (since sarcasm is hard to spot on the internet, that was. I certainly do not wish death upon you.)
What arguement would someone make for "dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"" when it comes to alcohol, smoking, weed, different drugs, etc
If your goal was to make someones life as good as possibal, would it include any of those substances, if it would, how do you defend that?[/QUOTE]
i defend it by saying that you dont know what is good for someone else. telling that weed is harming them because you think it must be, is no reason to make it illegal. telling someone that weed is addictive is a lie. its your "opinion" that weed is harmful, there are credible scientific studies that claim it is in no way harmful at all. yet because of your blind opinion you would perpetuate all the violence caused by the drug war around the world. the drug cartels waging war in mexico are funded almost entirely from selling weed in americas black market. this is why i believe it should be legal.
tldr; not enough evidence it is bad, too much evidence that prohibition is causing massive violence.[/QUOTE]
Heavy coughing, burning sensations in the mouth and throat, daily phlegm production, increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure, distorted perception, loss of coordination, problems with problemsolving, problems with memory and learning, and of course the must rarer syndroms most substances have (including a ton of medicine) the possibility of producing anxiety, fear and panic amongst other things.
There are beneficial effects from weed like a lot of medicine, but those only come if you are actually sick of something that makes you able to benefit from it.
My opinion is not blind, it is based on the information I have gathered about the effects of the substances I have talked about, it might be wrong, poor, weak, but certainly not blind.
Weed has killed people by making them do things they otherwise would not, like driving while under its effects, killing not only the user, but other people too.
Again, you got the responsibility to not harm those around you, you don't get the freedom to kill others, sociaty imprisons or even kills off those who think they have that.[/QUOTE]
because someone smokes marijuana does not mean they are killing people.....wtf? how do you even equate that? no shit you shouldn't get high and drive. how does that have anything to do with the legality of the substance? or even remotely imply that killing people is ok. people shouldn't drive at all. it kills to many people. also you totally ignore my main reason for wanting it legal. the fact that prohibition is the root cause of the massacres in mexico as well as the majority of gang violence throughout america.
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Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized.
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On September 02 2012 18:56 FragKrag wrote:
regulating cannabis would be just as effective as the regulation of alcohol in terms of restricting access to minors: not effective at all.
Benzos are not primarily used as pain relievers... Alprazolam (Xanax) and many other benzos are prescribed primarily for use against anxiety (which cannabis probably doesn't help)
Also stipulating that cannabis could replace all opiates and benzos as pain relievers doesn't seem very prudent. Different drugs act through different chemical pathways. It's stupid to expect a single drug to be able to replace multitudes of other drugs which act through different pathways.
There are also plenty of other drugs that should not be available to healthy people simply because sick people can use them (antibiotics, muscle relaxants, etc)
Cannabis can be a great medicine, but you are stretching its benefits past the point of reason.
you dont need a fake ID to buy weed from a drug dealer, which is actually fucking easy. Regulations for buying it legally would obviously require the same ID. I dont know about you but i know kids who want to drink will find away to get around being under age. With weed being illegal, you dont need to. Its easier to get hold of. If selling weed to a minor was an offense like selling alcohol to them is, people with brains will try to avoid the consequences. Drug dealers couldn't give a rats ass as long as they are making money.
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On September 02 2012 11:16 Mondieu wrote:
Well what exactly are the benefits of legalizing weeds ? Is our society really missing out on something like this? Do you really feel like if we legalize weed just because ''it's fun'' it would help our human race? People are already pretty stupid and lazy. Legalize that shit and instead of doing something more productive they would just ''relax''.
I really don't care about the subject since people are free to do what they want, but legalizing it would be just senseless imho.
edit: TL isn't the proper place to discuss this imo, since many people are biased :D
When holland stood out from the rest of the world by having decriminalized marihuana, our nation plumetted into the biggest recession in its history. Everybody just stayed at home, smoked like a chimney. People even forgot about work and alcohol altogether. Here's a graph displaying the overall unemployment:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4Cq7s.png)
Source: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werkloosheid_in_Nederland
They started limitting the amount of pot people could carry or grow to 5 plants and 5 grams a person. The year that started to get enforced, employment boosted and people were finally motivated again. Our women got prettier, our workplace smelled nicer and most importantly we finally had a reason to start drinking alcohol again, everything was back to being perfectly normal.
If you still haven't picked up on the sarcasm yet, allow me to put a sarcasm tag right here [/sarcasm]
People who think the moment it gets legalized everyone will flock to dealers en masse and become a stoner should be put in the same kind of group with the people who believe if gay marriage gets legalized every male turns queer. Government has less impact on the behavior of a society than any other factor like schools, work places and family.
Here in 'weed utopia' we have a low weed usage not because the government enforces it, but because peer pressure keeps us from wanting to be 'that pot smoking dude'. Even though it is decriminalized here, it gets stigmatized just like an alcoholic would be, even slightly more. The people around us influence our behavior, not the government's laws.
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On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized.
does not cause brain damage. dont act like you know what your talking about.
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[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 19:07 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:48 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:32 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:21 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 17:43 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 16:02 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 12:27 JacobShock wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 11:59 NTTemplar wrote:
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edit- somehow quoted the wrong thing XD
who are you to declare whether something is a "good" decision or not? weed has never been proven harmful. no one has ever died from it, and more and more studies show that it has valid medical uses such as curing cancer. dont tell me what to do because you think you have good judgement. i believe living life "substance free" is an admirable thing but dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of steps between being deadly and being good.
Weed, different from the other things I mentioned, might not be deadly but it is still greatly harmful.
To find the plethora of negative effects of weed is easy, and they speak for themselves, I question your judgement if you don't think it is harmful.
That is not to say it doesn't have positive effects that in situations can outweight the bad which is the case for a lot of medicine.
However as someone said, a lot of medicine is still controlled heavily since it is easy to missuse.
I am no "pro-substance free" I am pro-notputtingthingsintoyourbodythatjustfucksitup, but I don't tell people what to do either, the thread asked for my opinion which I gave, I still don't go spreading it like religion; by all means, kill yourself or otherwise diminish your life with whatever substance you'd like. (since sarcasm is hard to spot on the internet, that was. I certainly do not wish death upon you.)
What arguement would someone make for "dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"" when it comes to alcohol, smoking, weed, different drugs, etc
If your goal was to make someones life as good as possibal, would it include any of those substances, if it would, how do you defend that?[/QUOTE]
i defend it by saying that you dont know what is good for someone else. telling that weed is harming them because you think it must be, is no reason to make it illegal. telling someone that weed is addictive is a lie. its your "opinion" that weed is harmful, there are credible scientific studies that claim it is in no way harmful at all. yet because of your blind opinion you would perpetuate all the violence caused by the drug war around the world. the drug cartels waging war in mexico are funded almost entirely from selling weed in americas black market. this is why i believe it should be legal.
tldr; not enough evidence it is bad, too much evidence that prohibition is causing massive violence.[/QUOTE]
Heavy coughing, burning sensations in the mouth and throat, daily phlegm production, increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure, distorted perception, loss of coordination, problems with problemsolving, problems with memory and learning, and of course the must rarer syndroms most substances have (including a ton of medicine) the possibility of producing anxiety, fear and panic amongst other things.
There are beneficial effects from weed like a lot of medicine, but those only come if you are actually sick of something that makes you able to benefit from it.
My opinion is not blind, it is based on the information I have gathered about the effects of the substances I have talked about, it might be wrong, poor, weak, but certainly not blind.
Weed has killed people by making them do things they otherwise would not, like driving while under its effects, killing not only the user, but other people too.
Again, you got the responsibility to not harm those around you, you don't get the freedom to kill others, sociaty imprisons or even kills off those who think they have that.[/QUOTE]
because someone smokes marijuana does not mean they are killing people.....wtf? how do you even equate that? no shit you shouldn't get high and drive. how does that have anything to do with the legality of the substance? or even remotely imply that killing people is ok. people shouldn't drive at all. it kills to many people. also you totally ignore my main reason for wanting it legal. the fact that prohibition is the root cause of the massacres in mexico as well as the majority of gang violence throughout america. [/QUOTE]
People shouldn't drive when they have taken weed, the problem is that people do and it turns out deadly, just like alcohol (though alcohol is worse).
Driving isn't the problem, it is that people don't drive safely, and the ease of which people can get a license.
However I completely agree with your specific reasoning for wanting it legalized as I have shared it since I heard about it.
But I ignore it as I felt my input on the direct effects of weed was more important.
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On September 02 2012 19:18 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 11:16 Mondieu wrote:
Well what exactly are the benefits of legalizing weeds ? Is our society really missing out on something like this? Do you really feel like if we legalize weed just because ''it's fun'' it would help our human race? People are already pretty stupid and lazy. Legalize that shit and instead of doing something more productive they would just ''relax''.
I really don't care about the subject since people are free to do what they want, but legalizing it would be just senseless imho.
edit: TL isn't the proper place to discuss this imo, since many people are biased :D When holland stood out from the rest of the world by having decriminalized marihuana, our nation plumetted into the biggest recession in its history. Everybody just stayed at home, smoked like a chimney. People even forgot about work and alcohol altogether. Here's a graph displaying the overall unemployment: Source: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werkloosheid_in_NederlandThey started limitting the amount of pot people could carry or grow to 5 plants and 5 grams a person. The year that started to get enforced, employment boosted and people were finally motivated again. Our women got prettier, our workplace smelled nicer and most importantly we finally had a reason to start drinking alcohol again, everything was back to being perfectly normal. If you still haven't picked up on the sarcasm yet, allow me to put a sarcasm tag right here [/sarcasm] People who think the moment it gets legalized everyone will flock to dealers en masse and become a stoner should be put in the same kind of group with the people who believe if gay marriage gets legalized every male turns queer. Government has less impact on the behavior of a society than any other factor like schools, work places and family. Here in 'weed utopia' we have a low weed usage not because the government enforces it, but because peer pressure keeps us from wanting to be 'that pot smoking dude'. Even though it is decriminalized here, it gets stigmatized just like an alcoholic would be, even slightly more. The people around us influence our behavior, not the government's laws.
thank you for being a sensible non stoner.
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On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy.
People crash cars sober(lets ban cars).
People crash cars while drunk(lets ban alcohol and imprison anyone who gets caught with it).
People crash cars while texting(lets ban phones).
People crash cars while getting a blowjob(let's ban oral sex).
Your friend chose to get high and drove his car into an on-ramp. How is this the weeds fault again?
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On September 02 2012 19:12 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 18:56 FragKrag wrote:
regulating cannabis would be just as effective as the regulation of alcohol in terms of restricting access to minors: not effective at all.
Benzos are not primarily used as pain relievers... Alprazolam (Xanax) and many other benzos are prescribed primarily for use against anxiety (which cannabis probably doesn't help)
Also stipulating that cannabis could replace all opiates and benzos as pain relievers doesn't seem very prudent. Different drugs act through different chemical pathways. It's stupid to expect a single drug to be able to replace multitudes of other drugs which act through different pathways.
There are also plenty of other drugs that should not be available to healthy people simply because sick people can use them (antibiotics, muscle relaxants, etc)
Cannabis can be a great medicine, but you are stretching its benefits past the point of reason. you dont need a fake ID to buy weed from a drug dealer, which is actually fucking easy. Regulations for buying it legally would obviously require the same ID. I dont know about you but i know kids who want to drink will find away to get around being under age. With weed being illegal, you dont need to. Its easier to get hold of.
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what..? I am below the legal age of drinking (as are most of my friends). In the past 2 years, I have had maybe a few weekends where I could not get alcohol for a party or kickback. Alcohol is ridiculously easy to get whether or not you are 21. Like are you seriously going to tell me college kids (mostly under 21) and high school kids don't drink alcohol? LOL?
On September 02 2012 19:12 eu.exodus wrote:If selling weed to a minor was an offense like selling alcohol to them is, people with brains will try to avoid the consequences. Drug dealers couldn't give a rats ass as long as they are making money.
seriously I don't know where you get these ideas from. In many places selling weed (a DRUG!) is a felony, which is about as bad as it gets.
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On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized.
So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day.
If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice.
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[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 19:21 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 19:07 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:48 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:32 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 18:21 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 17:43 LeSioN wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 16:02 NTTemplar wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 12:27 JacobShock wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 02 2012 11:59 NTTemplar wrote:
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edit- somehow quoted the wrong thing XD
who are you to declare whether something is a "good" decision or not? weed has never been proven harmful. no one has ever died from it, and more and more studies show that it has valid medical uses such as curing cancer. dont tell me what to do because you think you have good judgement. i believe living life "substance free" is an admirable thing but dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of steps between being deadly and being good.
Weed, different from the other things I mentioned, might not be deadly but it is still greatly harmful.
To find the plethora of negative effects of weed is easy, and they speak for themselves, I question your judgement if you don't think it is harmful.
That is not to say it doesn't have positive effects that in situations can outweight the bad which is the case for a lot of medicine.
However as someone said, a lot of medicine is still controlled heavily since it is easy to missuse.
I am no "pro-substance free" I am pro-notputtingthingsintoyourbodythatjustfucksitup, but I don't tell people what to do either, the thread asked for my opinion which I gave, I still don't go spreading it like religion; by all means, kill yourself or otherwise diminish your life with whatever substance you'd like. (since sarcasm is hard to spot on the internet, that was. I certainly do not wish death upon you.)
What arguement would someone make for "dont lie to people and try to trick them into making decisions you would make, because you assume you have better "judgement"" when it comes to alcohol, smoking, weed, different drugs, etc
If your goal was to make someones life as good as possibal, would it include any of those substances, if it would, how do you defend that?[/QUOTE]
i defend it by saying that you dont know what is good for someone else. telling that weed is harming them because you think it must be, is no reason to make it illegal. telling someone that weed is addictive is a lie. its your "opinion" that weed is harmful, there are credible scientific studies that claim it is in no way harmful at all. yet because of your blind opinion you would perpetuate all the violence caused by the drug war around the world. the drug cartels waging war in mexico are funded almost entirely from selling weed in americas black market. this is why i believe it should be legal.
tldr; not enough evidence it is bad, too much evidence that prohibition is causing massive violence.[/QUOTE]
Heavy coughing, burning sensations in the mouth and throat, daily phlegm production, increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure, distorted perception, loss of coordination, problems with problemsolving, problems with memory and learning, and of course the must rarer syndroms most substances have (including a ton of medicine) the possibility of producing anxiety, fear and panic amongst other things.
There are beneficial effects from weed like a lot of medicine, but those only come if you are actually sick of something that makes you able to benefit from it.
My opinion is not blind, it is based on the information I have gathered about the effects of the substances I have talked about, it might be wrong, poor, weak, but certainly not blind.
Weed has killed people by making them do things they otherwise would not, like driving while under its effects, killing not only the user, but other people too.
Again, you got the responsibility to not harm those around you, you don't get the freedom to kill others, sociaty imprisons or even kills off those who think they have that.[/QUOTE]
because someone smokes marijuana does not mean they are killing people.....wtf? how do you even equate that? no shit you shouldn't get high and drive. how does that have anything to do with the legality of the substance? or even remotely imply that killing people is ok. people shouldn't drive at all. it kills to many people. also you totally ignore my main reason for wanting it legal. the fact that prohibition is the root cause of the massacres in mexico as well as the majority of gang violence throughout america. [/QUOTE]
People shouldn't drive when they have taken weed, the problem is that people do and it turns out deadly, just like alcohol (though alcohol is worse).
Driving isn't the problem, it is that people don't drive safely, and the ease of which people can get a license.
However I completely agree with your specific reasoning for wanting it legalized as I have shared it since I heard about it.
But I ignore it as I felt my input on the direct effects of weed was more important.[/QUOTE]
i guess we will have to agree to dissagree. i dont believe that legalizing would cause an increase in use, aka more deaths from auto accidents. because almost everyone that has an interest in it could get it now anyways. but i feel it would lesson gang violence and prevent hard drugs from being so easily accessible.
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Im in favor of legalizing it while at the same time testing kids in school regularly, it's more or less harmless to adults but can cause some issues to younger brains.
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On September 02 2012 19:22 guN-viCe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy. People crash cars sober(lets ban cars). People crash cars while drunk(lets ban alcohol and imprison anyone who gets caught with it). People crash cars while texting(lets ban phones). People crash cars while getting a blowjob(let's ban oral sex). Your friend chose to get high and drove his car into an on-ramp. How is this the weeds fault again?
Congratulations on using 4th grade logic!
On point, I'm a bit "confused" as to whether or not I would want to see it banned or not. Weed puts people into a zone where they become very lazy and don't feel like doing anything. From a personal standpoint, I don't ever want to see/be around people who act like this. It's bad for your mental health and also puts a strain on personal relationships.
Does this "effect" happen to every weed user? No, of course not. But from my personal experience, I've seen it happen many of times, and I hope it doesn't become more often.
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On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice.
I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion.
Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it.
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On September 02 2012 18:21 esla_sol wrote:
weed shouldnt be legel. i had a friend who died from weed. he crashed his car into a freeway on ramp. weed kills. rip jeremy.
Stupidness kills. People kill. Guns don't. Drugs don't. Or do you also believe, fat people have a right to be upset about McDonalds? I don't, even if they lie about ingredients and the correlating health issues, sue them to the ground and take all their money, BUT it IS common sense, if you overdo anything, you will most likely pay for it. I live my life how I want, not how I'm told to. I don't need the great babysitter to tell me what I can do with my life.
Weed is a substance I've been using for years now and at young age I certainly did have the same problems with it most people have. Getting lazy, sometimes getting crazy trips, sometimes paying the price for smoking way too much (deep depressions, I'm still recovering from). At the highest times, I've probably smoked some 60g a month, which is pretty crazy, but I strongly believe I would've never done that, if I had the choice to just go buy some weed at any time and under any circumstances I want, e.g. I go to a shop, present my ID and get exactly the product I pay for.
Since the situation with weed in southern Germany was really bad then and got even worse nowadays, you couldn't just walk up to random people in the park and buy 2g or shit, and if you did that, you'd get ripped off, or were sent away with cheap shit my mom probably uses for cooking. So you have to rely on establishing a connection with criminal people, buying larger amounts than actually needed, because first off, that's how they do business and secondly, because you never know when there is the next time they can supply you with the good stuff.
All you people spouting bullshit and spamming studies which don't even deserve the label "scientific", you haven't gone through the same things I did and many many especially young people on this planet are going through right now, just to smoke some weed and nothing else. You probably have smoked a little when you were really young or you never did at all lol, you don't understand how it feels to be the Average Joe, doing everything according to plan in your life, but if you want to smoke some and lay back, you have to basically become a criminal. Buying weed is a criminal offense in most countries who ban it. It's many times not even just handled as petty crime, but major offense (LOL USA), if you go over a certain amount, around more than 3-4g will get you at least a ride in the police car, if you live in southern Germany.
Do you think that's fair? Do you think this helps society at all? It's just a waste of police resources. As I said, the situation here got way worse 1-2 years ago when we got a new home secretary. You can really feel the crackdown on the weed business, every dude who supplies in numbers larger than 100g a month gets the fuck lifted. Do we really need countless numbers of police doing a job, that doesn't improve the lives of anyone? It just requires one simple step to give Hells Angels etc., who are the main suppliers for drugs and everything else in Europe the finger: Legalize it.
Their business would instantly collapse, nobody would buy their shit, even if they sold it at 10€/g when the legal stuff would cost 15-20€ like in Holland. Only young kids would do it, since they're not allowed to legally buy it and they shouldn't, but they could never fill the hole that the legalization left in the mafia structures of these biker gangs.
In my early years at university, I was supplying weed with my roommate to mine and his friends only and I got 100g each month from people I didn't even wanna know, but they were the only ones who could supply my demands AND have me make as much profit off of it, so I didn't have to pay for it at all. I bought at 600€ and sold for roughly 1,200€, which is a pretty sweet deal, but the downside to it obviously was, after a couple of months, the Angels guy wanted to talk us into buying a whole kilo next time, and that's when we realized we had to stop. So we told him to not supply us anymore, since he was getting the impression of us being friends anyway and I didn't want a criminal of such capacity sitting in my home everyday. He and every single one of his clients got busted half a year later, the one to take the most made as much as 15,000€ a month, or more. All by sitting at home and answering the phone, the dream stupid people still give into, when they see scam sites on the internet, claming to make them 453587 bucks an hour by just sitting at their PC.
He obviously went to prison, as such amounts aren't treated as joke, but of course mainly to get to the info about the supply chain. Now, how can you justify, basically scamming young people into making large amounts of money with practically no work involved, but they always will have to pay for it in the end, while the really big money is left untouched?
The dude, who was just as regular as a guy can be, had to quit everything, studies gone, girlfriend gone (lol that bitch was just there for the money, at least now he knows), the pleasure of telling your parents and friends about getting jailed and moving back home because they took all his money. Do you really think, that's a smart way of a society handling a supposed problem? If you do, you are the very reason for it.
I may have had the pleasure to get my kush for free for some time, but I'd happily trade a life long free weed card for the legalization of it and in consequence, me having to pay for it like everybody else. Even nowadays I have to buy my stuff from some guy who has a tear tattooed below his eye. You know what that means? I don't want to, but I have to literally deal with these kind of people.
I almost forgot, in my eyes the reason for almost all the psychological side effects isn't the THC itself, but the fact you get branded as a criminal, not being able to enjoy the product you bought in a nice environment, but almost always within the 4 walls you live in. I know for certain, this is what started all my problems in the first place. If you exclude somebody from society and that's what happens when you blindly ban something without reason, even your parents you can't talk to, because they never admitted, or even never have smoked weed in their lives, all you have is your friends who are just as stupid as you and can't help you in any way, when you do that, people will always become the weary, "lazy" (I dont think it's an appropriate term), secluded, strange and not contributing to society type of people, politics and media are always taking as prime examples of consumers of illegal substances. But does scientific research ever go at it this way? No, it's always research, which always and ever will get funded out of political motivation, concentrating on only the actual and most times short term usage. Never have I heard about an extensive and credible study, which covers the whole story there is to weed, or would anybody be as stupid and deny the fact, not only the substance is altering your brains and body, but just as much the circumstances you have to live with as a consumer, which I think I have listed many of above.
Fear is substituted for reason when it comes to drugs.
Politics fear them, because they want people to basically be slaves and work without asking too many question and especially weed has always raised questions within people, because it doesn't get you in the state of a retarded fool, which alcohol does, and hey, if I were in power, I'd want as much retarded fools to govern, because that's so much easier.
Business fears them, because it's hard to make large profit margins off of it and of course we have the conspirationists believing, hemp would become the cheap, simple and always available go-to solution for everything.
Society fears them, because they are kept in the dark about a real life with consuming drugs, making them believe anything "scientists" and politicians say about the issue AND of course it is fucking illegal, so better not talk about it.
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On September 02 2012 19:24 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:12 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 18:56 FragKrag wrote:
regulating cannabis would be just as effective as the regulation of alcohol in terms of restricting access to minors: not effective at all.
Benzos are not primarily used as pain relievers... Alprazolam (Xanax) and many other benzos are prescribed primarily for use against anxiety (which cannabis probably doesn't help)
Also stipulating that cannabis could replace all opiates and benzos as pain relievers doesn't seem very prudent. Different drugs act through different chemical pathways. It's stupid to expect a single drug to be able to replace multitudes of other drugs which act through different pathways.
There are also plenty of other drugs that should not be available to healthy people simply because sick people can use them (antibiotics, muscle relaxants, etc)
Cannabis can be a great medicine, but you are stretching its benefits past the point of reason. you dont need a fake ID to buy weed from a drug dealer, which is actually fucking easy. Regulations for buying it legally would obviously require the same ID. I dont know about you but i know kids who want to drink will find away to get around being under age. With weed being illegal, you dont need to. Its easier to get hold of. ... what..? I am below the legal age of drinking (as are most of my friends). In the past 2 years, I have had maybe a few weekends where I could not get alcohol for a party or kickback. Alcohol is ridiculously easy to get whether or not you are 21. Like are you seriously going to tell me college kids (mostly under 21) and high school kids don't drink alcohol? LOL? Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:12 eu.exodus wrote:If selling weed to a minor was an offense like selling alcohol to them is, people with brains will try to avoid the consequences. Drug dealers couldn't give a rats ass as long as they are making money. seriously I don't know where you get these ideas from. In many places selling weed (a DRUG!) is a felony, which is about as bad as it gets.
that doesn't mean its extremely easy to do... you have no idea how many dealers are out there and get away with it. I know from experience. How else do you think there's so much money in it? If its legalized you would need a license to sell it. currently you only need a brain.
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On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized.
Well thank god, alcohol makes you smarter... Think -> post and don't just repeat a random thing you caught in the news in the last week. I bet you know shit.
I advise everyone who wants to inform himself to watch the "The Union" documentary linked in the OP. It wraps up everything nicely. In the end it's not about what's good for the people it's about money.
Give this a thought: Politics (lobbyists/industry) don't even want to legalize thc-free hemp, which is 100% harmless. You could smoke a ton and it would only give you a cough. Tell me one good reason why!? It's an unbelievable resourceful plant and could solve so many problems. Problem is it MAYBE would revolutionize agriculture industry for good and nobody wants that.
-Cotton is an unbelievable waste of resources (water/pesticides).
-Palm oil is in everything and its production is the main reason for chopping down rain forest.
-Bio fuel. Nuff said.
-Hemp plants are good for soil in general. You would need less fertilizer.
-This list can go on for ever and i talk about absolutely harmless thc-free hemp...
A lot of industries would lose billions and their lobbyists and the anti hemp propaganda in the heads of people will prevent the legalization from happening. It's really sad.
On a personal note: One my best friends is dieing slowly from multiple sklerosis since 12 years. The medication around is amongst the most expensive (2 in the top 5, 2 others for cancer and 1 for aids). For him the side effects are terrible and the stuff doesn't really help. There is only one thing that helps with the spasms and soothes him: Weed. The only legal thc medication in Germany costs around 500 euro for 20 pills and they don't even help because it's not about the thc it's about the combination of active components in the plant.
If you're hardcore against medicinal marijuana, argue with him about it. He would punch you in the face if he still could....
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