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On September 02 2012 22:05 Nottoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:02 Trowa127 wrote:On September 02 2012 22:01 Nottoo wrote:On September 02 2012 21:55 CrtBalorda wrote:
I dont understand the answer in the middle of the poll in the first page and I also dont understand why the poll says "yes".
People are to stupid to handle weed and it give the country trouble so why allow it?
Besdies they can save themselves the trouble and its not like people will actully complain about it.
Dealers will always exist, even if it is legal and sold in stores.
The number of people that have weed controling them is greater then the people that actully know what they are doing when they smoke.
And whats with the 2nd answer on the poll? Not everyone here is a teen. Please cite sources of countries that have legalized weed and have had trouble because of it. The Netherlands have been doing just fine since their decriminalizing of weed. Also Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs and they have experienced far lower crime rates, deaths and HIV infections due to dirty needles as a result (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html)- while the number of people going into rehab has increased because people weren't afraid of being arrested. Your opinion is worth nothing without facts to back it up. Don't feed the moron trolls dude. We all know he has no idea what he's talking about. I'm just genuinely interested if there's a legitimate side to their argument. Of course i'm probably being hopelessly optimistic about the intelligence of these people, but I don't want to be too locked into my own world view. Maybe I'll learn something. Shame they've brought nothing to the table so far though.
There is nothing to bring really. Yes, smoking weed all day every day is going to negatively impact your life. Holy fucking shit, roll the printing presses the kids on TL have made a new scientific break through.
Its just a shame that in this case, as in the case of so many other things, the ignorant majority get to subvert the wishes minority. Why does our government have no problem with me drinking 20 cans of special brew but if I want to smoke a bowl that is an issue 
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Holy shit, this thread must be the most impressive troll beatdown ever to be witnessed on the mighty internet.
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Weed is really good. Should be legalized.
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On September 02 2012 21:58 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:51 Svetz wrote:
I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money. Nothing stopping them spending it on booze, smokes or gambling it away either though. Personal choice. To be honest I don't think I should be penalised because of the actions of others. I don't want to have to go to a drug dealer, I want to know where my weed came from and I want to know strain it is. I feel the government will have to talk legalisation in the next ten years, even Davey boy admitted himself that the governments war on drugs has failed. Punishing weed users is doing nothing to help anyone in the UK at least. CrtBalorda showing how smart he is. Tell me, why would dealers exist in the form they did today if weed was a regulated, legal product you can buy in a shop? Dealers deal for one reason - money. The moment its legalised the price plummets, and you may see small amounts of dealing (just like dodgy booze and cigs) but nowhere near the amount that existed before. Think before you speak.
The difference is that weed is a pacifying drug that makes you happy to just sit there and do nothing with fewer side effects. Back when I was in college/uni I knew quite a few people who would literally just spend all day sat at home smoking weed and flunked out. I also knew a LOT more people who drank excessive amounts, but that was always in the evenings and weekends. Obviously this is just speaking from personal experience, but it seems like weed makes you a lot happier to do nothing, while I don't know anyone who could stomach the thought of drinking every day during the day!
I actually want ALL drugs legalised, I think the benefits far outweight the disadvantages but I feel like you need to look at all the side effects and make sure you have plans in place to minimise any adverse effects. For example there's a lot of talk of how gang/mafia style organisations won't be able to make money anymore, but will that lead to a rise in kidnappings and violent robberies by them in order to maintain the lifestyle they're used to?
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On September 02 2012 22:04 DamnCats wrote:
All drugs should be illegal as long as we ban other things that aren't healthy for us also, IE Cars, airplanes, fast food, camp fires, horses (they kick REALLY fucking hard yo), skydiving, cliff diving, living in places where natural disasters happen, mosquitos (WEST NILE MOTHERFUCKER), snakes, peanuts, guns, knives and anything sharp at all, toasters, alcohol (redundant I know), rock climbing, car racing, rodeos, boxing, football, our shitty fucking healthcare system, red meat, couches, television, junk food, and all types of energy production except for solar/wind.
But solar and wind kill more than nuclear: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html
In all seriousness, people should have right to kill themselves in any way they want. It's their own body after all.
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On September 02 2012 21:49 syriuszonito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:58 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:43 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 20:15 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 20:03 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:32 syriuszonito wrote:On September 02 2012 19:27 eu.exodus wrote:On September 02 2012 19:12 syriuszonito wrote:
Its a drug and causes brain damage when used regularly. No it should not be legalized. So can bumping your head. I would swap a few damaged brain cells for hundreds if not thousands of lives any day. If someone wants to smoke weed, that's their choice, and whether its legal or not won't change that. Just like how even if it was legal and you didn't want to smoke it you dont have to. That's also your choice. I got no idea what bumping your head or trading lives for brain cells has to do with this discussion. Yes if you want to smoke weed its your choice. The point of drugs being illegal is that some ppl might choose not to because of it. Google drug war in Mexico. It has everything to do with it. If Mexico exported marijuana instead of smuggling it, a lot more innocent people would be alive today. My point is that if you really want to smoke a joint that's you own choice to damage your own brain, like its your choice not to whether its legal or not. google tells me its a war between police and drug cartels. If thats what you mean then I cant agree that legalizing crime is a good way to save lives. Could you please stop with the "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" argument?. Ofc in a high intelligence society it could be like that but in a real world government has to protect ppl from doing stupid things because of not fully realizing the consequences (like getting addicted to drugs). I am not saying its great but in my opinion its necessary. 1. Im not arguing that ALL drugs should be legalized. 2. as someone who smoked weed every day of my life for the better past of 5 years. I can honestly say that if you get addicted to weed, there is something terribly wrong with you psychologically. 3. okay so the government protects stupid people from 'brain damage', meanwhile in other countries, people are getting killed. criminals, police and innocent bystanders alike. 4. i said nothing about legalizing crime. i said legalizing marijuana with be one less thing governments have to fight against, instead they monitor and regulate it. 5. and finally, I dont have "Its my life I should be able to do what I want with it" mentality as you put it. That is also pretty stupid. what Im saying, is that as far as 'drugs' go, marijuana is relatively harmless. Smoke a joint, Fuck smoke a baggy. Then come and tell me its worth being illegal. 1. Good 2. As someone who smoked cigarettes for the past 5 years and still didnt get addicted I can say you gotta be retarded to do it... no wait this argument is worthless 3. Look if the government and most of the society believes that drugs are harmful, and they are illegal police should fight against drug dealers even if it costs life. I cant understand how can you use this argument when its so clearly bad. 4. Same story again. 5. Did that, unfortunately I cant tell you if weed is harmless after smoking few joints. You have this weird mentality that weed is a life destroying, muscle melting, mind altering drug. It isnt. Nicotine in cigarettes is more addictive than even cocaine, so it is extremely easy to get hooked and keep going back for more. That is legal. Cigarettes and alcohol do more damage to one brain than marijuana does, yet they are legal? Can you see what Im getting at? Finally? Luckily for you, as I have said I smoked weed for 5 years religiously every single day. I left it the very next day. No withdrawals. No cravings. no stealing my moms shit to go buys the stuff. Nothing.... I even got through school with good scores got a decent job and everything. Good for you then, you are smart enough not go for hard drugs and weed didnt have any negative impact on you. Now go to a place where they where they treat drug addiction and ask them about they stories if they started with weed. Even if only 0,5% of ppl will end up runing their lives because of it I will still vote for it being illegal. Alcohol is bad I think we agreed on it already but thats not an argument to legalize drugs. teddyoojo I judge ppl by their actions and what your friends parents are doing is just dumb.
I'm not gonna go in depth, since I posted many posts in this thread expressing my views on this topic. But I'd like to say that I find it super disheartning that in your mind you'd keep a harmless plant illegal to protect the "0,5%" who can't handle it. Keeping it out of the hands of the people who both benifit from and enjoy it, and basically criminalizing good people. Marijuana is bout as processed as basic sugar, if not less. Sugar can cause all kinds of harmful effects if taken to the extreme, yet we shouldn't take that away. The double standards in here is hard to cope with on an intellectual level. It all seem to stem from anti drug propaganda from when our parents were young. I'll probably stay out this thread from now on, it's very depressing from a personal freedom perspective. If this is thread is any tell of what the future holds, it seems very promising for the big corperations that pump out tons of artificial drugs with nasty side effects and addicting attributes. All hail the fear machine! It seems to be winning.
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On September 02 2012 22:04 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:00 leveller wrote:Listen, the thing people need to understand is that even though it's bad for you (it is! at some level, debateable vs alcohol, tobacco etc), it is better to have it legal. People will still use it This means organized crime gets the profits instead of government taxing the product like alcohol and tobacco this also means police resources will get spent hunting people who are not hurting anyone This also means lots of young people will have their lives ruined by getting a criminal record for inhaling smoke It also means people who want to smoke weed will get into contact with criminals and other drugs, meaning that being illegal is the only thing that makes cannabis a "gateway drug". Wow!  Sure seems like we could benefit from having it legal right? OMG exactly this. The biggest reason why weed is a "Gateway drug" is because you dealer will peddle other shit when you buy weed from them. If you can only buy weed at a legal shop the chance of you actually moving on to something else are extremly slim
Yeah, the only reason it is a gateway drug is cos it's illegal, and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system, not the drug itself...
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On September 02 2012 22:15 Svetz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:58 Trowa127 wrote:On September 02 2012 21:51 Svetz wrote:
I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money. Nothing stopping them spending it on booze, smokes or gambling it away either though. Personal choice. To be honest I don't think I should be penalised because of the actions of others. I don't want to have to go to a drug dealer, I want to know where my weed came from and I want to know strain it is. I feel the government will have to talk legalisation in the next ten years, even Davey boy admitted himself that the governments war on drugs has failed. Punishing weed users is doing nothing to help anyone in the UK at least. CrtBalorda showing how smart he is. Tell me, why would dealers exist in the form they did today if weed was a regulated, legal product you can buy in a shop? Dealers deal for one reason - money. The moment its legalised the price plummets, and you may see small amounts of dealing (just like dodgy booze and cigs) but nowhere near the amount that existed before. Think before you speak. The difference is that weed is a pacifying drug that makes you happy to just sit there and do nothing with fewer side effects. Back when I was in college/uni I knew quite a few people who would literally just spend all day sat at home smoking weed and flunked out. I also knew a LOT more people who drank excessive amounts, but that was always in the evenings and weekends. Obviously this is just speaking from personal experience, but it seems like weed makes you a lot happier to do nothing, while I don't know anyone who could stomach the thought of drinking every day during the day! I actually want ALL drugs legalised, I think the benefits far outweight the disadvantages but I feel like you need to look at all the side effects and make sure you have plans in place to minimise any adverse effects. For example there's a lot of talk of how gang/mafia style organisations won't be able to make money anymore, but will that lead to a rise in kidnappings and violent robberies by them in order to maintain the lifestyle they're used to?
I am acutely aware of all the side effects - I'm a regular smoker but I also have a full time job. Its all about your personal relationship with the drug, you can't let it get to the stage where you are sitting at home all day just smoking like you describe, like anything else it has to be part of a 'healthy' life style. Even knowing the side effects, I still don't believe responsible users should be punished because some people can't control themselves.
And yeah, I think the police are a bit better at catching armed robbers and kidnappers then the local weed dealer mate. If they all resorted to that, I think they'd end up in jail quite quickly.
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and the worst consequence of smoking? The justice system
This TIMES A FUCKING THOUSAND.
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On September 02 2012 22:16 Ogww wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:04 DamnCats wrote:
All drugs should be illegal as long as we ban other things that aren't healthy for us also, IE Cars, airplanes, fast food, camp fires, horses (they kick REALLY fucking hard yo), skydiving, cliff diving, living in places where natural disasters happen, mosquitos (WEST NILE MOTHERFUCKER), snakes, peanuts, guns, knives and anything sharp at all, toasters, alcohol (redundant I know), rock climbing, car racing, rodeos, boxing, football, our shitty fucking healthcare system, red meat, couches, television, junk food, and all types of energy production except for solar/wind.
But solar and wind kill more than nuclear: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.htmlIn all seriousness, people should have right to kill themselves in any way they want. It's their own body after all.
As long as they pay their own medical expenses, and this is for alcohol, smoking, heroin (possibly even being eating too much) or any other self inflicted condition!
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Ban alchohol + weed. The only reason alchohol is leagal and weed is not is because alchohol is culture.
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On September 02 2012 22:18 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:15 Svetz wrote:On September 02 2012 21:58 Trowa127 wrote:On September 02 2012 21:51 Svetz wrote:
I think I'd be fine with weed being legalized but you I wonder how you would discourage people from just sitting at home all day getting stoned with their centrelink/dole money. Nothing stopping them spending it on booze, smokes or gambling it away either though. Personal choice. To be honest I don't think I should be penalised because of the actions of others. I don't want to have to go to a drug dealer, I want to know where my weed came from and I want to know strain it is. I feel the government will have to talk legalisation in the next ten years, even Davey boy admitted himself that the governments war on drugs has failed. Punishing weed users is doing nothing to help anyone in the UK at least. CrtBalorda showing how smart he is. Tell me, why would dealers exist in the form they did today if weed was a regulated, legal product you can buy in a shop? Dealers deal for one reason - money. The moment its legalised the price plummets, and you may see small amounts of dealing (just like dodgy booze and cigs) but nowhere near the amount that existed before. Think before you speak. The difference is that weed is a pacifying drug that makes you happy to just sit there and do nothing with fewer side effects. Back when I was in college/uni I knew quite a few people who would literally just spend all day sat at home smoking weed and flunked out. I also knew a LOT more people who drank excessive amounts, but that was always in the evenings and weekends. Obviously this is just speaking from personal experience, but it seems like weed makes you a lot happier to do nothing, while I don't know anyone who could stomach the thought of drinking every day during the day! I actually want ALL drugs legalised, I think the benefits far outweight the disadvantages but I feel like you need to look at all the side effects and make sure you have plans in place to minimise any adverse effects. For example there's a lot of talk of how gang/mafia style organisations won't be able to make money anymore, but will that lead to a rise in kidnappings and violent robberies by them in order to maintain the lifestyle they're used to? I am acutely aware of all the side effects - I'm a regular smoker but I also have a full time job. Its all about your personal relationship with the drug, you can't let it get to the stage where you are sitting at home all day just smoking like you describe, like anything else it has to be part of a 'healthy' life style. Even knowing the side effects, I still don't believe responsible users should be punished because some people can't control themselves. And yeah, I think the police are a bit better at catching armed robbers and kidnappers then the local weed dealer mate. If they all resorted to that, I think they'd end up in jail quite quickly.
The local weed dealer isn't the person whose ending up with the big profits from the drug industry. And I think if you look at the people who are, they aren't so easy to put in jail.
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On September 02 2012 22:21 Svetz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:16 Ogww wrote:On September 02 2012 22:04 DamnCats wrote:
All drugs should be illegal as long as we ban other things that aren't healthy for us also, IE Cars, airplanes, fast food, camp fires, horses (they kick REALLY fucking hard yo), skydiving, cliff diving, living in places where natural disasters happen, mosquitos (WEST NILE MOTHERFUCKER), snakes, peanuts, guns, knives and anything sharp at all, toasters, alcohol (redundant I know), rock climbing, car racing, rodeos, boxing, football, our shitty fucking healthcare system, red meat, couches, television, junk food, and all types of energy production except for solar/wind.
But solar and wind kill more than nuclear: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.htmlIn all seriousness, people should have right to kill themselves in any way they want. It's their own body after all. As long as they pay their own medical expenses, and this is for alcohol, smoking, heroin (possibly even being eating too much) or any other self inflicted condition!
Indeed, forgot to mention that
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Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!"
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On September 02 2012 22:21 Fus wrote:
Ban alchohol + weed. The only reason alchohol is leagal and weed is not is because alchohol is culture.
Genius.
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On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!"
 There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell)
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Just going by how my girlfriend acted last night compared to normal......after she had 3-4 mixed drinks.... compared to when she sits back and smokes a bowl or two with me..
It's proof enough alcohol is bad
But anyway, on to topic:
I didnt watch the documentary because I already have formed my opinion years ago. Yes, it should be legalized-- to boost economy, stop the pharmaceuticals, and to boost happiness among people.
Anecdote:
I know a friend who is quadriplegic, and after being like that for over 25 years, and finally trying marijuana and smoking hash or hash oil regularly, he now has use of one of his arms. 25 years with no feeling and smoking marijuana and he CAN MOVE HIS ARM?
Folks, the cure to many ailments was right here all along.
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personally i dont think any substance that could modify/interrupt/alternate your brain's nature thinking process should be legal. This is including alcohol, cigaret and pretty much all the similar drugs that could or could not cause addiction. The reason is that i really dont see any way any how a person should be released from the nature duty of controlling his own behavior. When you execute an action in your life, no matter how small and insignificant it is, you should be responsible for it any place any time. Choices are made solely based on your own personal experience and decision making skill which define who you are and having a drug to erase that from you is like killing, deleting your own signature. Under the drugs effect you are no longer in self control and therefore should be treated as a total different person with a new ID etc...
I do see the argument that legalizing weeds or drugs could have an up side in medicine and health care but i have a hard time seeing why a license or assist system is hard to be deployed for patient that really requires weed as a cure to their sicknesses. Legalizing such dangerous substances is not only putting your health care system on the line, it is also your economy productivities and ultimately the human evolution and existence that could be altered negatively in a long run.
So personally: no, i dont think weed should ever be legalized and they should also ban cigarettes as well as putting a limit on the high % alcohol that one could purchase/keep.
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On September 02 2012 22:26 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 22:24 J_Slim wrote:
Another situation where people think it's fine for the government to limit someone else's personal freedom.
"Keep government out of my business! But make sure gays can't marry, weed is illegal, and the uterus is public property!" There you go, freedom in a nutshell (or is that bombshell)
Agreed. Its ironic.
I really only see two consistent positions here: all drugs should be legalized, or all drugs should be illegal (including alcohol/tobbacco).
How are you gunna allow someone to smoke a joint, but then throw them in a rape cage for mushrooms. Once you start down that slope you see that stopping at marijuanna is arbitrary.
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On September 02 2012 21:45 gasmeter wrote:
People must acknowledge that taking drugs is a problem.
This makes me want to take them more.
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