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On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it.
theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not.
I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with.
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On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources?
because ppl live outside of the US and most of those services you listed are not available. especially for movies / tv shows.
Steam is doing it, seems to be working out for them. distribution using the internet what a revolutionary concept ....
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On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with.
it's lost money, so yes, it's gone.
i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor.
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On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor.
It might be lost money, but not for the people who spent the time, work, and creativity making said material.
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On August 08 2012 08:10 BanditX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. It isn't as black and white as "it's theft." Studies have shown that artists actually have made an increase of money since downloading music became popular due to ticket and merchandise sales. It isn't the artists who are hurting, its corporate america. And unlike you, corporate america doesn't care if their baby gets stolen because they worked hard on it, they care because it affects their bottom line. Personally, I think corporate america could stand for a some more bleeding.
eh, I would love it if more artists would release their music freely or under less restrictions, and I try to support artists that do that. but if they explicitly don't want you copying their stuff for free, then it's kinda a dick move to go ahead and do it anyways even if "in theory" their business is being improved.
having said that, I like free stuff and will take whatever I can get. I will readily admit that I'm an awful person.
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I am so sad. I spent all summer achieving a 5.6 rating so that I could DL whilst in college. I hope they just reboot the most recent backup via different hosting.
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On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor.
you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely.
besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways.
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On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:
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you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways.
i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no?
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On August 08 2012 08:23 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:10 BanditX wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. It isn't as black and white as "it's theft." Studies have shown that artists actually have made an increase of money since downloading music became popular due to ticket and merchandise sales. It isn't the artists who are hurting, its corporate america. And unlike you, corporate america doesn't care if their baby gets stolen because they worked hard on it, they care because it affects their bottom line. Personally, I think corporate america could stand for a some more bleeding. eh, I would love it if more artists would release their music freely or under less restrictions, and I try to support artists that do that. but if they explicitly don't want you copying their stuff for free, then it's kinda a dick move to go ahead and do it anyways even if "in theory" their business is being improved. having said that, I like free stuff and will take whatever I can get. I will readily admit that I'm an awful person.
Still artists may need labels for promotion, but 90% will still value the fact that you're listening to their music above whatever is left after 50% fee from vendor, 80% cut to label + nasty recoupables on a sale. Go to concerts, support indie films and you're good imho.
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On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:
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you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no?
keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past...
the movie industry has been doing better than ever piracy isn't hurting any1.
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On August 08 2012 08:29 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:
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it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no? keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past oh wait...
lol, i'm not beating people with a stick, at all, i'm asking a legitimate question as opposed to your argument
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On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:
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you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways.
Maybe they don't go to the cinema BECAUSE they can pirate.
I don't believe most people when they say "I wouldn't have bought it anyway." How can they actually say that? Do they actually know how their preferences would change if piracy wasn't an option?
I really hope piracy doesn't become so rampant that content producers start giving up. I would welcome a SOPA if something like that was going to happen.
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On August 08 2012 08:30 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:29 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^
I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.)
I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^
Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no? keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past oh wait... lol, i'm not beating people with a stick, at all, i'm asking a legitimate question as opposed to your argument
okay, no. but not like they can do anything about it, short of cutting the internet.
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On August 08 2012 05:45 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =( How so? I can't see any downside to it
Piracy is one of the few things that fights back against the few large media giants. Media giants that brought you such things as more expensive movies only available in 3D (due to 3 gimmicks which were edited in after filming in 2D), managing licenses to individual music players on a per mp3 basis, the downfall of the once great AFI, the rape of beloved childhood franchises such as Indiana Jones, etc.
I dare you to find one musical artist outside the top 40 list that loves record companies and is genuinely supportive of them. The fact is most of them don't give a shit about CD sales since they make pennies on the dollar and sustain themselves by touring (which is a much better way to spend your money, by the way). Bands don't even need labels to release their material anymore in this age. Look at Radiohead. Neither do comedians as a matter of fact, look at Louie CK! All labels have ever done is pressure bands into conforming into a top 40 radio friendly homogeneous blob of suck. Know how a band can succeed? It can distribute its music for free online or at a reasonable price ($5 for a CD is reasonable) which in turn promotes their merchandise and live shows. They can also license their music to commercials, TV shows and movies themselves. There isn't any need for a giant middleman, just a lawyer and an accountant tops.
And movies... Jesus fuck could they waste any more money. Do we really think spending a $100,000,000 on some movies is worthwhile? We're throwing tens of millions at shit-eaters like Tom Cruise for no reason. $100,000 is more than enough for a few months of shooting. Hell, $100,000 is enough for a years work for 99% of professions.
TV shows... where to start? First of all there is no way I'm picking up a new series by tuning in every day at 11am for a rerun whichever year they decide to start airing the series from the start again. There's also no way I wait a year after the finale of the newest season to pick up the DVD. And why can I only purchase these massive packages of channels? I don't want fucking Oxygen and Own, I just want CBS, ABC, NBC, TBS, HBO, AMC, a few movie channels and shitty GSN. I could seriously live with <10 channels with no problem, but I need to pay for 200 shitty music channels and BET to get what I want. Then Dish Network has a feud with AMC and I can't watch Breaking Bad and I miss out on LinSanity because of a dispute which I have nothing to do with and no say in.
Piracy gives us a way to vote with our wallets and say fuck you, adapt to the changing world or at least put on a condom before you rape us.
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On August 08 2012 08:33 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:30 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:29 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:
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..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no? keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past oh wait... lol, i'm not beating people with a stick, at all, i'm asking a legitimate question as opposed to your argument okay, no. but not like they can do anything about it, short of cutting the internet.
well, you're right, they can't do anything about it. but that doesn't really make it right, either.
Piracy gives us a way to vote with our wallets and say fuck you, adapt to the changing world or at least put on a condom before you rape us.
no, it gives us a way to look at stuff, tell ourselves it's not worth paying for, get it anyway without paying, and then do whatever we want with it whether we like it or not. that's what we do, all of us, and people like you and me don't give a shit. we really don't.
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Big US companies paying big money for your values!
& screw ALL of you who I know are happy with this.
Oh, they've already brainwashed the guy above me ^
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On August 08 2012 08:01 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. (music) artists have never made their millions from record sales. they use record sales and radio air play as adverts for their live shows. look at the lists every year of the highest earning mussicians. almost none recorded an album that year, its all the biggest tour of the time. the people making money from record sales are the record labels. and this is the part where you say that record labels advertise bands and nuture talent, except they dont. record labels use their power and influence battling each other and suppressing truly original artists that they cant pin to a demographic. in the modern age, many artists from youtube stars to radiohead have shown that they make more money, and become just as famous promoting themselves and working hard. giving away music for cheap/free. but you wouldnt want to actually think through things beyond "its illegal therefore bad". on the subject of the movie industry, them losing money is what a lot of people actually want. the big 7(?) studios have been around since the beginning of time and have been through crashes before. with the advent of age control on movies and the artistic collapse of the 70s. each time the movie industry has really had its back to the wall its turned to new younge talent to produce real movies that dont fit the current mold. you think all the 'great' directors of this time being of the same age group is a fluke? speilberg, lucas, scorsese all come from the 70s revival in film art. bringing new films to the table to bring people back to the cinema. with the success of recent films like batman or avatar. record numbers can easily be broken if they put out a quality product that people value. instead what most studios do is look for the next quick buck and throw out fast and the furious 27 for ever decreasing profit margins because its still a safe bet for now. but this treasuring of sequential safe bets seen in music, games and movies is whats driving people away from seeing value in the experience, and so taking a knock off version for free doesnt seem so bad. industry needs to deliver a product people actually want, rather than try and dictate the mood and then they will recover. piracy is a symptom not a disease.
To add to this, it's worth looking at the release model for Radiohead's In Rainbows and various Nine Inch Nails projects, among others, that shows that alternatives to large label publications are possible and profitable (albeit from establish bands, in the case of music)
The Humble indie bundles also reflect this in the case of gaming.
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People still use torrents in the year 2012?
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Noooo not demonoid! I need Demonoid for all the stuff I can't find anywhere else!
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On August 08 2012 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:19 mastergriggy wrote:On August 08 2012 05:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
I still support fighting copyright infringement (always have), but I really think we need to develop some sort of alternative system. The existing laws suck. I don't really have an issue going after the main perpetrators though. I agree with everything said here. The laws haven't kept up over time and its reflected in this mass "censoring of the internet" movement. Thankfully many artists release their product for free nowadays, but I'd still prefer there not being a legal issue every time a 12 year old downloads a song they like. Well, I disagree slightly. I'd rather there be an issue preventing that 12 year old from doing it. It's hard to explain, but even if I agree with the statement "it doesn't cause any financial harm to the company" in a large portion (probably large majority) of scenarios, my main gripe is that I feel the burden of proof should be on the consumer, not the distributor/producer. For example, if I torrent some movie I legitimately would never pay for, I understand that in reality I didn't cause any financial harm to the producer/distributor. But I can't prove it. The general argument at the moment is that because they can't prove financial loss, they can't sue/fine etc. But I think that argument breaks the system completely, and since I don't believe anyone has a "right" to copy products. And since no "right" exists, we look to the law, which is supposedly on the producer side as they are able to copyright their product (information). I honestly and truly believe that information that is complex enough and clearly took time to develop (as opposed to the stupid "it's all a bunch of 0's and 1's" argument) should be able to be protected - somehow. Of course, this is highly subjective, but the system in place is highly subjective in the same regard. It's just that it's fucking devolved into a stupid petty system where anything can be copyrighted (and patented... my god the patents are even worse). Arguments of whether or not piracy helps sales I also deem irrelevant, at least personally. It is up to the producer to decide how to market his or her product, not the consumer. Of course, consumers place heavy amounts of pressure on the producer to conform to certain ways, but ultimately it's in the producers hand on what route to take (which will ultimately result in whether or not they fail...). TLDR: Regardless of whether or not copyright infringement results in financially loss for the producer, it's still the producer's product and they should be able to determine its method of distribution/redistribution (although the feasibility of prevention is an issue). People talk about a "right" to information that has been far too warped and twisted; not all such "information" should be inherently free in my eyes, which is highly subjective and depends on the inherent complexity of the product.
You can't produce stuff that is too easy to copy, this will never be lucrative in the long run. It is not a (marketable) product any more.
I produce a lot of CO2, which is very important for the growth of plants. Can i sue farmers? No, because C and O are very easy to reproduce, just like 0s and 1s. Getting the 0s an 1s in the right order just isn't enough any more. 1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters + enough time = shakespeare.
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