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On August 08 2012 08:34 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:33 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:30 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:29 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:
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Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no? keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past oh wait... lol, i'm not beating people with a stick, at all, i'm asking a legitimate question as opposed to your argument okay, no. but not like they can do anything about it, short of cutting the internet. well, you're right, they can't do anything about it. but that doesn't really make it right, either. Show nested quote +Piracy gives us a way to vote with our wallets and say fuck you, adapt to the changing world or at least put on a condom before you rape us. no, it gives us a way to look at stuff, tell ourselves it's not worth paying for, get it anyway without paying, and then do whatever we want with it whether we like it or not. that's what we do, all of us, and people like you and me don't give a shit. we really don't.
http://torrentfreak.com/swizz-beatz-on-megaupload-i-was-giving-artists-90-of-the-shit-120726/
Your views are sadly mistaken. It's ignorant people like you that keep the bankers and other fat corporations happy.
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If you're gonna pirate things you should at least feel bad about it.
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Try to remember that the average worker in Corporate America is not a CEO, and when profits slip it's their jobs and wages that go to the chopping block.
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On August 08 2012 09:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Try to remember that the average worker in Corporate America is not a CEO, and when profits slip it's their jobs and wages that go to the chopping block.
Yeah, while the CEOs are getting massive bonuses during the layoffs.
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On August 08 2012 09:01 xParadoxi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 08:34 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:33 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:30 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:29 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:28 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:26 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 08:18 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 08:11 Nizaris wrote:On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:
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it's theft, lol.
edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about.
understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it. theft would imply it's gone afterwards, which clearly it is not. I have no problem with the creators of the work getting paid, it's the fat pigs in the middle i have problems with. it's lost money, so yes, it's gone. i'm just saying it's not as "good" as you people want to make it sound. while i agree there can be ups and downs about piracy, i still think it's wrong to speak as if people are doing the authors a favor. you never really had the money in your hand so you couldn't have lost it. an opportunity lost maybe but unlikely. besides semantics, you'll find that most ppl have no problem paying for stuff when it is available. steam, spotify and plenty other of services have showed this. maybe one day the movie/tv industry will get it. Most ppl that pirate movies wouldn't go to the cinema anyways. i guess that arguments makes it okay to grab a copy without paying then, no? keep beating ppl with a stick instead of addressing the issue i'm sure that'll work!!! it has always worked in the past oh wait... lol, i'm not beating people with a stick, at all, i'm asking a legitimate question as opposed to your argument okay, no. but not like they can do anything about it, short of cutting the internet. well, you're right, they can't do anything about it. but that doesn't really make it right, either. Piracy gives us a way to vote with our wallets and say fuck you, adapt to the changing world or at least put on a condom before you rape us. no, it gives us a way to look at stuff, tell ourselves it's not worth paying for, get it anyway without paying, and then do whatever we want with it whether we like it or not. that's what we do, all of us, and people like you and me don't give a shit. we really don't. http://torrentfreak.com/swizz-beatz-on-megaupload-i-was-giving-artists-90-of-the-shit-120726/Your views are sadly mistaken. It's ignorant people like you that keep the bankers and other fat corporations happy.
i take it you didn't read my initial posts.
but just out of friendly curiousity, how can you in your right mind think that i'm ignorant for supporting companies and authors that i appreciate, by purchasing their products?
again, i take it you didn't do your homework before you posted. think about that next time you post, please. i could be some sensitive highly pregnant single mom living in a two room large apartment playing left 4 dead and league of legends in my sparetime (which is all the time i got, really) who'd instead reply to you with a long and hateful comment about how much of an idiot you are for not taking your time to read three lines of text before you decided to post.
see, that's one step closer to a better community and oh boy, wouldn't you be happy to make the first step.
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On August 08 2012 08:58 xpldngmn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 08 2012 05:19 mastergriggy wrote:On August 08 2012 05:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
I still support fighting copyright infringement (always have), but I really think we need to develop some sort of alternative system. The existing laws suck. I don't really have an issue going after the main perpetrators though. I agree with everything said here. The laws haven't kept up over time and its reflected in this mass "censoring of the internet" movement. Thankfully many artists release their product for free nowadays, but I'd still prefer there not being a legal issue every time a 12 year old downloads a song they like. Well, I disagree slightly. I'd rather there be an issue preventing that 12 year old from doing it. It's hard to explain, but even if I agree with the statement "it doesn't cause any financial harm to the company" in a large portion (probably large majority) of scenarios, my main gripe is that I feel the burden of proof should be on the consumer, not the distributor/producer. For example, if I torrent some movie I legitimately would never pay for, I understand that in reality I didn't cause any financial harm to the producer/distributor. But I can't prove it. The general argument at the moment is that because they can't prove financial loss, they can't sue/fine etc. But I think that argument breaks the system completely, and since I don't believe anyone has a "right" to copy products. And since no "right" exists, we look to the law, which is supposedly on the producer side as they are able to copyright their product (information). I honestly and truly believe that information that is complex enough and clearly took time to develop (as opposed to the stupid "it's all a bunch of 0's and 1's" argument) should be able to be protected - somehow. Of course, this is highly subjective, but the system in place is highly subjective in the same regard. It's just that it's fucking devolved into a stupid petty system where anything can be copyrighted (and patented... my god the patents are even worse). Arguments of whether or not piracy helps sales I also deem irrelevant, at least personally. It is up to the producer to decide how to market his or her product, not the consumer. Of course, consumers place heavy amounts of pressure on the producer to conform to certain ways, but ultimately it's in the producers hand on what route to take (which will ultimately result in whether or not they fail...). TLDR: Regardless of whether or not copyright infringement results in financially loss for the producer, it's still the producer's product and they should be able to determine its method of distribution/redistribution (although the feasibility of prevention is an issue). People talk about a "right" to information that has been far too warped and twisted; not all such "information" should be inherently free in my eyes, which is highly subjective and depends on the inherent complexity of the product. You can't produce stuff that is too easy to copy, this will never be lucrative in the long run. It is not a (marketable) product any more. I produce a lot of CO2, which is very important for the growth of plants. Can i sue farmers? No, because C and O are very easy to reproduce, just like 0s and 1s. Getting the 0s an 1s in the right order just isn't enough any more. 1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters + enough time = shakespeare.
Except you producing CO2 isn't a unique process. And getting the 0's and 1's in the correct order is a highly unique process that requires hundreds on manhours to produce. The monkey + typewriter analogy isn't even pertinent in this situation. Because it's such an expensive and unique process to produce, the government places specific protection over the value of such information. And if they catch you copying, regardless of how easy it is to do so, you are punished.
Whether it's stopped isn't a huge issue to me. Say you have 5,000,000 torrents of a $20 product. The government/company or whoever "polices" it, by whatever method, is able to trace 100,000 of said downloads. As there was a violation of the law, a fine is issued, say $200 (what's the fine for petty theft on tangible goods?). $20,000,000 collected, government pays all administrative fees first, distributes majority of remaining money to the producer.
Note - I just thought of the process on the spot, so I have no idea on the feasibility or even on tracking methods, it's just kinda what came to me as making sense. And no, I don't support the $15,000-$150,000 lawsuits that arise from piracy that occur at the moment to the lucky fucker that gets singled out in the current scenario. Oh, and of course there would be the issue if someone had torrented hundreds if not thousands of items, but in that case I would think that the fine should be substantially larger, and something like a $10,000+ fine might be warranted, depending on the market price of the items.
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On August 08 2012 09:05 xParadoxi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 09:04 1Eris1 wrote:
Try to remember that the average worker in Corporate America is not a CEO, and when profits slip it's their jobs and wages that go to the chopping block. Yeah, while the CEOs are getting massive bonuses during the layoffs.
I haven't heard anything about media CEO's getting massive bonuses during layouts, but okay. The point was, pirating tends to hurt the average worker a lot more than the media mogul or the artist.
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On August 08 2012 08:33 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:45 ArchAngelSC wrote:On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =( How so? I can't see any downside to it I dare you to find one musical artist outside the top 40 list that loves record companies and is genuinely supportive of them. The fact is most of them don't give a shit about CD sales since they make pennies on the dollar and sustain themselves by touring (which is a much better way to spend your money, by the way). Bands don't even need labels to release their material anymore in this age. Look at Radiohead. Neither do comedians as a matter of fact, look at Louie CK! All labels have ever done is pressure bands into conforming into a top 40 radio friendly homogeneous blob of suck. Know how a band can succeed? It can distribute its music for free online or at a reasonable price ($5 for a CD is reasonable) which in turn promotes their merchandise and live shows. They can also license their music to commercials, TV shows and movies themselves. There isn't any need for a giant middleman, just a lawyer and an accountant tops. And movies... Jesus fuck could they waste any more money. Do we really think spending a $100,000,000 on some movies is worthwhile? We're throwing tens of millions at shit-eaters like Tom Cruise for no reason. $100,000 is more than enough for a few months of shooting. Hell, $100,000 is enough for a years work for 99% of professions. TV shows... where to start? First of all there is no way I'm picking up a new series by tuning in every day at 11am for a rerun whichever year they decide to start airing the series from the start again. There's also no way I wait a year after the finale of the newest season to pick up the DVD. And why can I only purchase these massive packages of channels? I don't want fucking Oxygen and Own, I just want CBS, ABC, NBC, TBS, HBO, AMC, a few movie channels and shitty GSN. I could seriously live with <10 channels with no problem, but I need to pay for 200 shitty music channels and BET to get what I want. Then Dish Network has a feud with AMC and I can't watch Breaking Bad and I miss out on LinSanity because of a dispute which I have nothing to do with and no say in.
One of the most true posts yet in this thread.
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I think its funny how this is another version of people trying to keep other people down. Torrenting music just prevents the companies from making money, not the artist, artists make most of their money from their live shows. I like how the U.S. and other countries refuse to change how IP works and would rather go on another futile attempt to beat people who are masters of the Torrent game. No matter how many you block, there will be more, so so many more and they will all be popular at some point, a nice waste of money and time.
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My favorite...
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Damn...demonoid was one of my favorite trackers because it was one of the few pieces you could find rare OOP classical music recordings
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loved demonoid, now i have to find a new site. It was really organized, and you could find way more than last week movies like in other trackers.
i accept sugestion to a site thats worth it.
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aww, Demonoid has some really nice e-book collections. Got some really rare and obscure science textbooks from there
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I thought demonoid was hacked after googling an article about it as it shut down.
whack, so what are some of your replacements? only thing I came up with were isohunter and torrentreactor... they are subpar
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On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources?
1. Piracy gets you a lot you can't get from these.
2. Piracy is declining because of these new sources for media.
3. These things probably came about because of piracy.
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I don't really care too much about torrenting sites getting shut down. But if they touch Mediafire, I'll be upset. I use it to send my own music to my friends and various other files that are my own intellectual property. Just because you CAN send copyrighted material using this service doesn't mean the service should be shut down, imo. I mean, we CAN stab people with knives, but does that mean that kitchen knives should be made illegal? Unless they can prove that the service is specifically made for transferring illegal material, I don't think it's fair to shut it down.
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Noooo i loved demonoid. Favorite torrent site by far.
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The Usa is ruining my semi free entertainment life first quickflicksnow.com and now demonoid Im going to cry T_T
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On August 08 2012 10:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:
I don't really care too much about torrenting sites getting shut down. But if they touch Mediafire, I'll be upset. I use it to send my own music to my friends and various other files that are my own intellectual property. Just because you CAN send copyrighted material using this service doesn't mean the service should be shut down, imo. I mean, we CAN stab people with knives, but does that mean that kitchen knives should be made illegal? Unless they can prove that the service is specifically made for transferring illegal material, I don't think it's fair to shut it down.
It's if you're not taking active steps to prevent it. Look at Youtube, they immediately remove shit asap.
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