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TehPrime
United States180 Posts
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:51 Raysalis wrote: aww, Demonoid has some really nice e-book collections. Got some really rare and obscure science textbooks from there yeah, i mainly used demonoid for... books ;_; sigh... | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:51 Raysalis wrote: aww, Demonoid has some really nice e-book collections. Got some really rare and obscure science textbooks from there lol same here. They had most of the super obscure stuff I was looking for that I couldn't find anywhere else. | ||
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Critter
United States196 Posts
Going to throw my two cents in on the pirating debate since that's what this thread has already fallen to and I'm curious what the anit-pirating group has to say in response. I pirate very rarely, mainly because I have Netflix and Steam. The only two instances that I've pirated things in the past year are Game of Thrones, and Crusader Kings II. Game of Thrones I dl because there simply isn't a way for me to buy it legally when it's released. I would gladdly pay for a service like HBOGO for the months GoT is out, but they don't allow that. I would gladdly pay for access to each individual episode, even at something crazy like $5 an episode, but they don't allow that. Instead, to watch and support this show I have to buy ~$120 worth of cable programming I don't want. This model doesn't work. So what I do is dl each episode, and then buy the Blu-Ray's when they come out to support the show. This is a failure of service, imo, as I'm a willing customer for their show, but they don't allow me to watch it without buying a bunch of crap I don't want at an insane price. CKII I read about on TL, but it seemed like a pretty polarizing game (some people loved it, some didn't like it at all). At ~$30, this wasn't a game I was going to risk money on without playing first. So I dl'd it, played for a few hours as a demo, and decided that the game wasn't for me and deleted the files. Had I found the game enjoyable, I would have purchased it to support the company (like I did with Minecraft waaaaaay back in the day). I'm curious on your arguments against these uses of torrents and hope it's more than just "It's stealing." | ||
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SausageLinks
United States93 Posts
i wonder where I'm going to find my torrents now | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On August 08 2012 11:27 SausageLinks wrote: oh dear, this is terrible news... been using Demonoid since like 2008. i wonder where I'm going to find my torrents now I've been using Demonoid for quite some time as well, but meh, lately I haven't really needed too. Either way, I'm sure there's other site's out there such as waffles. I wish I can get into waffles, if anybody can invite, I would love you. | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 08 2012 10:56 TehPrime wrote: Does anyone know how piratebay is still alive and kicking? because there are places in the world that arent in the united states of america? On August 08 2012 11:27 SausageLinks wrote: oh dear, this is terrible news... been using Demonoid since like 2008. i wonder where I'm going to find my torrents now isohunt.com until you find something better. On August 08 2012 09:04 ampson wrote: If you're gonna pirate things you should at least feel bad about it. well, thats just like...your opinion. man. | ||
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TehPrime
United States180 Posts
On August 08 2012 11:45 turdburgler wrote: because there are places in the world that arent in the united states of america? Ukraine isn't part of United States of America? | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
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ETisME
12503 Posts
They are doing it just to get more popularity with the media companies and some voters (who may not be as familiar with the matter) | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On August 08 2012 11:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: I've been using Demonoid for quite some time as well, but meh, lately I haven't really needed too. Either way, I'm sure there's other site's out there such as waffles. I wish I can get into waffles, if anybody can invite, I would love you. Ditto. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 08 2012 11:57 StarStrider wrote: My two cents on the pirating debate: I'm of the opinion that if the art is good enough, the revenue will follow, even if you use a pay-what-you-want model. Forcing people to pay a premium exorbitant price for art is the true robbery. I don't believe art should be free for the sake of being art, but true artists will strive to make it accessible to all, as that is the true purpose: enjoyment by the most number that can appreciate it. If it is out of reach of lower incomes, it simply won't be purchased...then what was the point to begin with? If you say profits, I don't believe you have a true appreciation for art. Art producers should strive to make their work available and free as possible while still able to fund the project and future projects. Forcing people to pay exorbitant prices for pure shit, and also exorbitant prices for gems, cheapens the intrinsic value of art of that particular genre, and also makes investing in a piece of art risky since you cannot 'return' it once you have it. Letting people decide what they think it is worth, even if there will be people that abuse that model, is still the best way to respect art. I am of the opinion that any other argument is just supporting extortive corporatism and consumerism, devaluing the art and the customer, and making something that should reflect the creativity and fluidity displayed by the art itself into something systematic and dull. Artists shouldn't have to starve, but it speaks to the fact that our art distribution system is fucked up that when you 'make it', as an artist, you are suddenly in the elite income bracket, and a hummer limousine with hot tub, and private learjet are suddenly nothing to you. There is no robbery involved and even as an expression that's silly. If you don't want to want to pay for it, then don't pay for it? No one is forcing anything here. | ||
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ABear
United States161 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:04 ampson wrote: If you're gonna pirate things you should at least feel bad about it. Fuck no. Real pirates drank rum and fucked bitches with no remorse. I usually torrent shows/movies if they're not available on Netflix or Hulu. I usually torrent music if I can't easily get it online. I usually torrent video games...pretty much never actually because of Steam. But lots of places that aren't North America don't have services like Netflix and Hulu so if they want to watch American television they're pretty much boned without torrents. I guess the alternative is going to Wal-Mart or Target or Best Buy to purchase physical copies of media that I can't find online. But honestly if I can't find an album online it's unlikely I'll find it at a retailer and a $50 investment to watch the first season of a show I've never seen before is asking a lot of a consumer. | ||
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
On August 08 2012 09:04 1Eris1 wrote: Try to remember that the average worker in Corporate America is not a CEO, and when profits slip it's their jobs and wages that go to the chopping block. This is very true. Piracy will hurt the low-level guys first and the fat cats last, but most pirates don't give a shit because they don't have morals. But it is amusing how they try to defend what they're doing as "right". | ||
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ABear
United States161 Posts
On August 08 2012 10:56 jodogohoo wrote: yeah, i mainly used demonoid for... books ;_; sigh... Yeah, demonoid had tons of really obscure educational stuff on it that I am really going to miss. Science textbooks especially ;; | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Piracy does hurt artists, but the impact is minimal. If you actually take a look at contracts between say iTunes and recording companies and individual artists, you'll see that artists literally make pennies off of cd/song sales. They don't make jack shit because 90%+ of the money from record sales goes straight to the recording companies. Artists don't see shit from it. They make the vast majority money through tours and ticket sales from concerts and (if they're popular enough) endorsements and other such deals. Either that, or they make money from selling their cds individually at reasonable prices. Not fucking $0.99~$1.29 for a single song. TV show piracy has been reduced because of reliable, reasonable services such as Hulu (plus) and Netflix. In this day and age, it is hard for people to be able to tune in exactly at the right time to watch a show. An alternate, reasonable service lets people watch shows on their own time. Netflix is what? $8 a month for unlimited streaming? That's fucking amazing. I'd rather pay that and be able to watch the stuff I like, than have to pay exorbitant prices of like fucking $80 a month for 100 channels, 90 of which I don't give a shit about, and even then I'd probably only watch like...an hour a day tops. Movies are definitely pirated a lot, but there hasn't been a single study not sponsored by the MPAA that definitively shows that piracy is hurting the industry. Movie profits are at an all time high and they're still rising. Vast majority of movie profits come from licensing to theaters and the crazy ticket prices. Not to mention the most popular movies also make the studios a crapton of money from the franchise alone. Games. Games are almost always released at $60+ nowadays. That's in no ways cheap. People are more than willing to pay for games, but if they're reasonably affordable. Why else do you think so many games are f2p nowadays? Because people are more than willing to shell out some cash so long as they enjoy the game. Why else are Steam sales so fucking popular? Because they sell quality product at reasonable prices. I'm willing to bet Steam rakes in a FUCKTON of money every summer from the 1 month of Steam sales alone despite slashing prices upwards 75%. Summary and TLDR? Piracy is wrong in that you should definitely support the people putting their hard work into making the product. But thing biggest drive behind piracy isn't so much that people hate the artists and makers of the end product, but more because the industry middleman is driving up prices to ridiculous heights. If they offer their product at a reasonable price with relative ease of access, people have 0 problem throwing money at them. Just look at the success of Netflix and Steam. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 08 2012 12:14 Divergence wrote: This is very true. Piracy will hurt the low-level guys first and the fat cats last, but most pirates don't give a shit because they don't have morals. But it is amusing how they try to defend what they're doing as "right". This is true, but it's also absolute bullshit in that no one is losing jobs due to piracy. The movie/music industry has been growing for the past decade, not shrinking despite all the accusations and apparent rise in piracy. Piracy is morally wrong, but to say people are losing jobs over it is simply false. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 08 2012 12:14 Divergence wrote: This is very true. Piracy will hurt the low-level guys first and the fat cats last, but most pirates don't give a shit because they don't have morals. But it is amusing how they try to defend what they're doing as "right". Piracy "hurts" no one. It hurts theoretical profits but there is no loss of goods from the media provider. It's literally no different than your friend lending you a DVD and letting you watch it. You were never going to buy that DVD yet you got to watch it for free. It's not like the movie company that made the DVD can claim that you caused them to lose revenue because you were never going to pay for their film in the first place. | ||
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