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On August 08 2012 06:36 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:54 Greggle wrote:On August 08 2012 05:48 sc4k wrote:
Well this sucks, but I was expecting it. People who think that this system is like the 'hydra' are foolish and are fooling themselves. The authorities are going after the main perpetrators because a large proportion of the site's user base does not know any other methods of obtaining the copyrighted material for free. By going after the big sites, they are slowly squeezing pirating back into the niche it used to occupy, and away from the millions of mac-using students and 20 somethings who would probably be okay for paying for things, they just don't like the idea of it when they could get it for free so easily. The producers of this content don't care if sweaty teens in their mom's basement hacking their way through WoW and downloading terabytes of anime carry on with their inanity, it's the millions of middle-of-the-road, slight-techy people that have been hijacked by the piracy movement.
And it is clearly going to be going on and on until it goes back to being a niche activity, and it is clearly working.
Anyway, this is 0.0000000001% of the monumental furore that 3d printers are going to create in 20-30 years, when you can download schematics for products that cost $100+ in the shops and print them for $1. Then shit will hit the fan! Any source to that timeframe? I believe there will be a TON of stuff 3D printers can't print. For example anything with an integrated circuit. The only things I really see suffering from this are more basic things like enclosures, action figures, anything composed of a handful of basic materials. They would also be of much lower quality, for example a 3D printer capable of producing Legos to the same degree of precision as the large factories would render them completely impractical. The things this would hurt the most are bullshit overpriced things like any sort of Apple adaptor dongle or cable. The thing is, "printing" is likely to get redefined if you ask me. The 3D printers at the moment can only glue together some powdery chemical to make objects. But certainly, people will try to push that further, condensing conductor lines onto surfaces by using some kind of removable mask or maybe static charge patterns like a regular laser printer these days doesn't sound that far fetched does it?  And while they're at it, why not give the printer a few more robotics, put in an exchangeable tool head so it can swap the glue gun for a laser, soldering gun, etc.? Of course that's going to be expensive as shit (at least for quite some time). But i think, materializing rather complex objects through multi-tool-headed "printers" is more likely to be invented than star trek like replicators using energy/matter conversion, don't you think? *If* printers ever get this advanced and cheap enough so enough people own one, it's going to be one hell of a market mixup. Any product, that is printable, will basically no longer be sellable for more money than the printer components needed for it. This *will* kill stuff like far overpriced mac adapter cables mentioned above for instance, but you also have to see that it will not kill everything manufacturable. Printing stuff at home will either be done a) out of convenience or b) because of the price. But if you need like a ton of pins for your pin board or something, those will still likely be cheaper in the store, because a dedicated machine for building these things will do it cheaper and a lot faster than a capable-of-everything generic printer. Even stuff like legos will be cheaper from the store than printing them yourself, at least in terms of production cost, due to dedicated machines producing them at far greater speeds. Several companies would likely have to adapt their sale prices though, to be competitive with the generic printers at home.
http://objet.com/materials
3d printing is getting there. I saw some of the demo samples from their stuff, it's extremely cool. The rubber was.. rubber -- it flexes and everything. Conductiive and bio-compatable materials are certainly the next step.
Their machines are far ahead your typical z-corp or dimension rapid prototyping machine.
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To me this feels like an unwinnable game of whack-a-mole. I actually haven't even ever heard of Demonoid before this ^^
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On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is.
You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^
I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.)
I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^
Just my 2 cents.
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On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources?
People who pirate either pirate because they just want to, or because the legal offerings require them to jump through a lot of hoops and end up with a worse product than buying it legally (e.g. tv show only available six months after original airing as boxed set), or because there simply can not purchase the product legally due to age restrictions (15 yo kid torrents pegi 18 title because daddy doesn't give it to him), region restrictions (cf. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones ), or simply not having any money at all (which may or may not be caused by simply being bad at managing it, or something as simple as a teenager who doesn't get any own money from parents).
You have grown up i assume, you have some money now, so of course for you most of these issues aren't issues anymore. But think back a couple of years
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On August 08 2012 07:23 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources? People who pirate either pirate because they just want to, or because the legal offerings require them to jump through a lot of hoops and end up with a worse product than buying it legally (e.g. tv show only available six months after original airing as boxed set), or because there simply can not purchase the product legally due to age restrictions (15 yo kid torrents pegi 18 title because daddy doesn't give it to him), region restrictions (cf. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones ), or simply not having any money at all (which may or may not be caused by simply being bad at managing it, or something as simple as a teenager who doesn't get any own money from parents). You have grown up i assume, you have some money now, so of course for you most of these issues aren't issues anymore. But think back a couple of years
I do it because I can't always afford it and I don't want to wait an entire year to watch the box set of Game of Thrones! I don't even have HBO! lol 
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On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources?
I have 5000 albums,, i couldn't possibly afford all that,, and it would be hard to live without at least half of them..
My collection is pretty much complete now though,, most of the music i'll be needing from now on hasn't been released yet.
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On August 08 2012 07:27 Zinnwaldite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources? I have 5000 albums,, i couldn't possibly afford all that,, and it would be hard to live without at least half of them.. My collection is pretty much complete now though,, most of the music i'll be needing from now on hasn't been released yet.
You have at least 121 days straight of music (24 hours a day every day), and you need ALL of it? You couldnt get by with a custom pandora station? You couldnt buy some of the ones that you like the most and supplement with pandora? If you listen to music for 8 hours a day every day thats a full year without hearing a single repeat.
That actually seems unreasonable to me, tbh.
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On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents.
..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing?
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On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing?
Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good.
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People who pirate either pirate because they just want to, or because the legal offerings require them to jump through a lot of hoops and end up with a worse product than buying it legally (e.g. tv show only available six months after original airing as boxed set), or because there simply can not purchase the product legally due to age restrictions (15 yo kid torrents pegi 18 title because daddy doesn't give it to him), region restrictions (cf. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones ), or simply not having any money at all (which may or may not be caused by simply being bad at managing it, or something as simple as a teenager who doesn't get any own money from parents). You have grown up i assume, you have some money now, so of course for you most of these issues aren't issues anymore. But think back a couple of years
Yea, TV shows are one thing that I would pirate at this point. Though I dont watch much TV anyway. If television offered them all online for download I wouldnt pirate at all.
I have grown up, but I still dont have much money (actually going back to college at the moment so I dont have any money). I just buy what I REALLY want and live without the rest. I dont NEED to get that next call of duty game.
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On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good.
it's theft, lol.
edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about.
understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it.
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This reminds me of Metal Gear Solid's information control, some of you guys do not understand that webpages like demonoid are part of the digital revolution millions of people in the third world like myself for the first time in history had access to all this media content from music, videos, films, documentals, software, all this content was either too expensive or inaccessible, with access to infromation our level of education has increased tenfold from the last generation, just look at most hardcore pirates, people who have learned english like myself solely from interacting over the internet, from Russia, Vietnam, Peru, Venezuela, etc, where would I have listened to bands like Led Zeppelin or Nirvana?, those are almost unheard of in my country, but internet has made them incredibly popular between my entire internet-generation, through playing warcraft III I shared my mp3 nirvana songs with so many people from different latin american countries and a lot of those people became fans of this rock band, now that I'm older rock music has taken a second place in my life, now it's books, I got hundreds of books in PDF format, a true collections of classics from 1984 to a bunch of books of Isaac Asimov and Chuck Palahnkiuk and I download pimspleur english lessons for spanish speakers to give it to my local friends who want to learn english, using the internet I have learned 2 languages now and I'm learning a forth one. if i was born 10 years earlier this would have been almost impossible. Almost all this content I got from Demonoid, that's what it gave me, it is such an important part of my life.
Now anonymous members from Venezuela, my country, have put corrupt politicians in the spotlight as frauds hacking their twitter accounts and taking down their webpages, they learned those skills too, the same way I learned mine. If there is something that will turn humanity into a thinking mass, instead of a mindless mass is this abundant flow of information, these people looking to finish sharing of files may have a legal reason, but they live in another age, conservatives, holding the progress of humanity to hold to an inherited fortune.
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I believe the owner said he would try to bring it back up, just that it will take a while since he's working on it alone. He's afraid to share sensitive information so he doesn't want outsiders to help him. We'll have to be patient  .
Edit: isn't it better to open a new thread for the debate about the ethics of piracy?
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On August 08 2012 07:35 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:27 Zinnwaldite wrote:On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources? I have 5000 albums,, i couldn't possibly afford all that,, and it would be hard to live without at least half of them.. My collection is pretty much complete now though,, most of the music i'll be needing from now on hasn't been released yet. You have at least 121 days straight of music (24 hours a day every day), and you need ALL of it? You couldnt get by with a custom pandora station? You couldnt buy some of the ones that you like the most and supplement with pandora? If you listen to music for 8 hours a day every day thats a full year without hearing a single repeat. That actually seems unreasonable to me, tbh.
I have music playing almost constantly, it's freaking great.. I do own atleast 600 physical albums too, mostly vinyl. I buy music quite often,, but i can't buy all of them..
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On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about.
Yea, it is theft. But I think the evidence he was asking for was whether it was bad for the industry, not that it was morally or legally bad.
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On August 08 2012 06:36 MisterD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:54 Greggle wrote:On August 08 2012 05:48 sc4k wrote:
Well this sucks, but I was expecting it. People who think that this system is like the 'hydra' are foolish and are fooling themselves. The authorities are going after the main perpetrators because a large proportion of the site's user base does not know any other methods of obtaining the copyrighted material for free. By going after the big sites, they are slowly squeezing pirating back into the niche it used to occupy, and away from the millions of mac-using students and 20 somethings who would probably be okay for paying for things, they just don't like the idea of it when they could get it for free so easily. The producers of this content don't care if sweaty teens in their mom's basement hacking their way through WoW and downloading terabytes of anime carry on with their inanity, it's the millions of middle-of-the-road, slight-techy people that have been hijacked by the piracy movement.
And it is clearly going to be going on and on until it goes back to being a niche activity, and it is clearly working.
Anyway, this is 0.0000000001% of the monumental furore that 3d printers are going to create in 20-30 years, when you can download schematics for products that cost $100+ in the shops and print them for $1. Then shit will hit the fan! Any source to that timeframe? I believe there will be a TON of stuff 3D printers can't print. For example anything with an integrated circuit. The only things I really see suffering from this are more basic things like enclosures, action figures, anything composed of a handful of basic materials. They would also be of much lower quality, for example a 3D printer capable of producing Legos to the same degree of precision as the large factories would render them completely impractical. The things this would hurt the most are bullshit overpriced things like any sort of Apple adaptor dongle or cable. The thing is, "printing" is likely to get redefined if you ask me. The 3D printers at the moment can only glue together some powdery chemical to make objects.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19900_5-disturbing-ways-food-will-be-different-in-future.html
Awww shit - gogo MIT to the rescue. Food printer prints actual food : ).
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It's quite disturbing how far the political will of the U.S content industry reaches nowadays, I can't imagine that this closure is wholly legal, especially the rumours of hardware sabotage.
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it doens't really matter whether they shut down it or not its gonna come up soon or later with different name.
Just get your servers into a country they can't touch them.e.g sweden.
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On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it.
(music) artists have never made their millions from record sales. they use record sales and radio air play as adverts for their live shows. look at the lists every year of the highest earning mussicians. almost none recorded an album that year, its all the biggest tour of the time.
the people making money from record sales are the record labels. and this is the part where you say that record labels advertise bands and nuture talent, except they dont. record labels use their power and influence battling each other and suppressing truly original artists that they cant pin to a demographic. in the modern age, many artists from youtube stars to radiohead have shown that they make more money, and become just as famous promoting themselves and working hard. giving away music for cheap/free.
but you wouldnt want to actually think through things beyond "its illegal therefore bad".
on the subject of the movie industry, them losing money is what a lot of people actually want. the big 7(?) studios have been around since the beginning of time and have been through crashes before. with the advent of age control on movies and the artistic collapse of the 70s. each time the movie industry has really had its back to the wall its turned to new younge talent to produce real movies that dont fit the current mold. you think all the 'great' directors of this time being of the same age group is a fluke? speilberg, lucas, scorsese all come from the 70s revival in film art. bringing new films to the table to bring people back to the cinema.
with the success of recent films like batman or avatar. record numbers can easily be broken if they put out a quality product that people value. instead what most studios do is look for the next quick buck and throw out fast and the furious 27 for ever decreasing profit margins because its still a safe bet for now. but this treasuring of sequential safe bets seen in music, games and movies is whats driving people away from seeing value in the experience, and so taking a knock off version for free doesnt seem so bad.
industry needs to deliver a product people actually want, rather than try and dictate the mood and then they will recover. piracy is a symptom not a disease.
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On August 08 2012 07:35 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:27 Zinnwaldite wrote:On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am confused why people still pirate so much.
Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources
Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear)
Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin
Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources? I have 5000 albums,, i couldn't possibly afford all that,, and it would be hard to live without at least half of them.. My collection is pretty much complete now though,, most of the music i'll be needing from now on hasn't been released yet. You have at least 121 days straight of music (24 hours a day every day), and you need ALL of it? You couldnt get by with a custom pandora station? You couldnt buy some of the ones that you like the most and supplement with pandora? If you listen to music for 8 hours a day every day thats a full year without hearing a single repeat. That actually seems unreasonable to me, tbh.
Most of my music is not on grooveshark/pandora/spotify and I have to download it illegally to listen to it as many bands don't even ship their music to australia. In the cases of the ones that do, often I can't get the whole discography etc, or it will cost me $30+ per album.
Food for thought man.
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On August 08 2012 07:37 Tom Cruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 07:36 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 08 2012 07:35 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 07:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2012 06:38 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:37 nttea wrote:On August 08 2012 06:32 Tom Cruise wrote:On August 08 2012 06:30 nttea wrote:
For every site the government shuts down I'm gonna upload two! Or something idno :D you make it sound like piracy is a good thing, lol you make it sound like it's a bad thing! it is. You are such a quality poster, I love how everything you say is a one-liner with no evidence to back it up whatsoever all the while trying to have the moral high ground and look down on the others posting here. Good job. ^^ I personally do not think piracy is a bad thing. I myself used to pirate many games, mostly because it was almost impossible to find good games in stores over here at that time. Nowadays I barely do it anymore when it comes to games, but I have to say I did purchase legit copies of my favourite games that I used to play, even if only to support the developers. On a similar note, I have never purchased nor intended to purchase a music album, but I do support the bands that I like by buying merchandise and spreading the word among my buddies about how sick good some of the albums are. You think bands mind less album sales if it also means more merch and ticket sales for shows? (yes, I am aware that this isn't the status quo and not everyone supports developers/bands and just pirate material but... if it can happen it will.) I have to admit I never heard of Demonoid before though, but it sucks that this happened. I mostly use Mediafire, hope they don't take it down. Also it's kinda silly people think they can censor the internet. ^^ Just my 2 cents. ..did you honestly just ask me to provide "evidence" as to whether or not piracy is a bad thing? Its a bit of muddy water to claim that piracy has been bad or good for the industry. The industry claims bad, but independent studies and looks at the state of the industry claims good. it's theft, lol. edit: i'd be fucking pissed if i found out that people stole my web designs, it's something i'm passionate about. understand that i'm not trying to be all "herp derp you should all be very ashamed of yourselves." because i honestly do understand and see the positives, but really, i'd be pissed, really pissed, and i hate to see when people try to justify it. atleast keep it to yourself, that's how i feel about it.
It isn't as black and white as "it's theft." Studies have shown that artists actually have made an increase of money since downloading music became popular due to ticket and merchandise sales. It isn't the artists who are hurting, its corporate america. And unlike you, corporate america doesn't care if their baby gets stolen because they worked hard on it, they care because it affects their bottom line.
Personally, I think corporate america could stand for a some more bleeding.
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