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On August 08 2012 05:19 mastergriggy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
I still support fighting copyright infringement (always have), but I really think we need to develop some sort of alternative system. The existing laws suck. I don't really have an issue going after the main perpetrators though. I agree with everything said here. The laws haven't kept up over time and its reflected in this mass "censoring of the internet" movement. Thankfully many artists release their product for free nowadays, but I'd still prefer there not being a legal issue every time a 12 year old downloads a song they like.
Well, I disagree slightly. I'd rather there be an issue preventing that 12 year old from doing it. It's hard to explain, but even if I agree with the statement "it doesn't cause any financial harm to the company" in a large portion (probably large majority) of scenarios, my main gripe is that I feel the burden of proof should be on the consumer, not the distributor/producer.
For example, if I torrent some movie I legitimately would never pay for, I understand that in reality I didn't cause any financial harm to the producer/distributor. But I can't prove it. The general argument at the moment is that because they can't prove financial loss, they can't sue/fine etc.
But I think that argument breaks the system completely, and since I don't believe anyone has a "right" to copy products. And since no "right" exists, we look to the law, which is supposedly on the producer side as they are able to copyright their product (information). I honestly and truly believe that information that is complex enough and clearly took time to develop (as opposed to the stupid "it's all a bunch of 0's and 1's" argument) should be able to be protected - somehow. Of course, this is highly subjective, but the system in place is highly subjective in the same regard. It's just that it's fucking devolved into a stupid petty system where anything can be copyrighted (and patented... my god the patents are even worse).
Arguments of whether or not piracy helps sales I also deem irrelevant, at least personally. It is up to the producer to decide how to market his or her product, not the consumer. Of course, consumers place heavy amounts of pressure on the producer to conform to certain ways, but ultimately it's in the producers hand on what route to take (which will ultimately result in whether or not they fail...).
TLDR: Regardless of whether or not copyright infringement results in financially loss for the producer, it's still the producer's product and they should be able to determine its method of distribution/redistribution (although the feasibility of prevention is an issue). People talk about a "right" to information that has been far too warped and twisted; not all such "information" should be inherently free in my eyes, which is highly subjective and depends on the inherent complexity of the product.
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Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =(
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On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =(
How so? I can't see any downside to it
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wait, the government expects us to PAY for music? LOL!
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On August 08 2012 05:21 yrba1 wrote:
Wonder if they're gonna shut down mediafire too?
My god I hope they leave MediaFire alone.
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Well this sucks, but I was expecting it. People who think that this system is like the 'hydra' are foolish and are fooling themselves. The authorities are going after the main perpetrators because a large proportion of the site's user base does not know any other methods of obtaining the copyrighted material for free. By going after the big sites, they are slowly squeezing pirating back into the niche it used to occupy, and away from the millions of mac-using students and 20 somethings who would probably be okay for paying for things, they just don't like the idea of it when they could get it for free so easily. The producers of this content don't care if sweaty teens in their mom's basement hacking their way through WoW and downloading terabytes of anime carry on with their inanity, it's the millions of middle-of-the-road, slight-techy people that have been hijacked by the piracy movement.
And it is clearly going to be going on and on until it goes back to being a niche activity, and it is clearly working.
Anyway, this is 0.0000000001% of the monumental furore that 3d printers are going to create in 20-30 years, when you can download schematics for products that cost $100+ in the shops and print them for $1. Then shit will hit the fan!
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On August 08 2012 05:45 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =( How so? I can't see any downside to it
Uhh, furthering the precedent of raiding file-sharing sites? Do you work for the MPAA?
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While it is unfortunate that sites keep getting taken down everyone has to agree at some point that something needed to be done.
I mean, downloading is in a way costing the media industry (music/movies/books/games/applications) so much money (and not going by 1 download = 1 sale) and letting these sites run rampant had to end sometime.
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On August 08 2012 05:48 sc4k wrote:
Well this sucks, but I was expecting it. People who think that this system is like the 'hydra' are foolish and are fooling themselves. The authorities are going after the main perpetrators because a large proportion of the site's user base does not know any other methods of obtaining the copyrighted material for free. By going after the big sites, they are slowly squeezing pirating back into the niche it used to occupy, and away from the millions of mac-using students and 20 somethings who would probably be okay for paying for things, they just don't like the idea of it when they could get it for free so easily. The producers of this content don't care if sweaty teens in their mom's basement hacking their way through WoW and downloading terabytes of anime carry on with their inanity, it's the millions of middle-of-the-road, slight-techy people that have been hijacked by the piracy movement.
And it is clearly going to be going on and on until it goes back to being a niche activity, and it is clearly working.
Anyway, this is 0.0000000001% of the monumental furore that 3d printers are going to create in 20-30 years, when you can download schematics for products that cost $100+ in the shops and print them for $1. Then shit will hit the fan!
Any source to that timeframe? I believe there will be a TON of stuff 3D printers can't print. For example anything with an integrated circuit. The only things I really see suffering from this are more basic things like enclosures, action figures, anything composed of a handful of basic materials.
They would also be of much lower quality, for example a 3D printer capable of producing Legos to the same degree of precision as the large factories would render them completely impractical.
The things this would hurt the most are bullshit overpriced things like any sort of Apple adaptor dongle or cable.
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On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =(
i bet it's a bad thing to pirate starcraft, yea?
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sharing is caring... and what happened to the pre-digital sense of sending information without governments taking a look?
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On August 08 2012 05:48 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:45 ArchAngelSC wrote:On August 08 2012 05:43 Greggle wrote:
Regardless of anyones opinions on demonoid, this blows =( How so? I can't see any downside to it Uhh, furthering the precedent of raiding file-sharing sites? Do you work for the MPAA?
I see nothing wrong with taking down sites that are designed help people obtain files illegally.
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Doesn't really matter. For every torrent site taken down, others take their place. And then there's Usenet which is so much more big than torrents that it will never make a shred of difference.
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It will matter because sites like thepiratebay and demonoid are big enough for everyone to know, there are plenty torrentsites that only link to eachother and never let you download anything or with horrible seeding that alot of people will give up on it and just not download.
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invasion of the internets
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On August 08 2012 06:02 Epithet wrote:More bad news.
Demonoid Operators Face Criminal Investigation in Mexico. Bleh. That was my favorite place for not well-known music & instructional chess videos :/. If anyone knows a good site like Demonoid for chess improvement please send me a PM!
Wait what?.....
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They moved their servers to a nation with really weak copy right enforcement laws over and over. But that trick is working less and less, because the governments with strongly copy right laws are heaping on the pressure to shut these sites down. You can’t really be shocked, sites like Demonoid have been using loop holes to avoid the shut down for years. It was only a matter of time before governments started to employ some extra legal routes to get them shut down.
Or to put it better, when you go outside the law, you also lose a lot of it’s protections.
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On August 08 2012 05:54 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 05:48 sc4k wrote:
Well this sucks, but I was expecting it. People who think that this system is like the 'hydra' are foolish and are fooling themselves. The authorities are going after the main perpetrators because a large proportion of the site's user base does not know any other methods of obtaining the copyrighted material for free. By going after the big sites, they are slowly squeezing pirating back into the niche it used to occupy, and away from the millions of mac-using students and 20 somethings who would probably be okay for paying for things, they just don't like the idea of it when they could get it for free so easily. The producers of this content don't care if sweaty teens in their mom's basement hacking their way through WoW and downloading terabytes of anime carry on with their inanity, it's the millions of middle-of-the-road, slight-techy people that have been hijacked by the piracy movement.
And it is clearly going to be going on and on until it goes back to being a niche activity, and it is clearly working.
Anyway, this is 0.0000000001% of the monumental furore that 3d printers are going to create in 20-30 years, when you can download schematics for products that cost $100+ in the shops and print them for $1. Then shit will hit the fan! Any source to that timeframe? I believe there will be a TON of stuff 3D printers can't print. For example anything with an integrated circuit. The only things I really see suffering from this are more basic things like enclosures, action figures, anything composed of a handful of basic materials. They would also be of much lower quality, for example a 3D printer capable of producing Legos to the same degree of precision as the large factories would render them completely impractical. The things this would hurt the most are bullshit overpriced things like any sort of Apple adaptor dongle or cable.
Some dude printed litle by little a operative working handgun.
I think his next project was a machine gun xD
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/uh-oh-3d-printer-produces-a-real-gun/12527
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