EPTin fact, if you have a copy of photoshop open up a picture and run your USM at about double your normal rate and you'll see that doing so turns this:
![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/t9f7ea.jpg)
into this:
![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/rtezp5.jpg)
which has the same kind of artifacts you see in the video.
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
in fact, if you have a copy of photoshop open up a picture and run your USM at about double your normal rate and you'll see that doing so turns this: into this: which has the same kind of artifacts you see in the video. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On April 02 2012 21:38 Zorkmid wrote: There's a big difference between being charged and being convicted. You should never charge somebody unless you believe they should/can be convicted. | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
On April 03 2012 05:07 ronpaul012 wrote: You should never charge somebody unless you believe they should/can be convicted. It shouldnt matter at all what you believe and what you dont believe or whats gonna happen is oh i guess this guy is alive another guy is dead i should believe the guy whos alive | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:16 red_b wrote: I hate to be the "this is a photoshop, you can tell from the pixels" guy, but as someone with a fair bit of experience with digital photography and sharpening, their "enhanced" video has all the signs of extremely heavy USM sharpening and with that you get artifacts, lots of artifacts. in fact, if you have a copy of photoshop open up a picture and run your USM at about double your normal rate and you'll see that doing so turns this: + Show Spoiler + into this: which has the same kind of artifacts you see in the video. Artifacts don't move with an object the way Zimmerman's wounds do. And can you highlight where in your pictures example you see "the same kind of artifacts" you claim are in the video? I have studied them for a very long time now and I can't see any scratches magically appearing in the second picture that weren't in the first one. You need to specifically circle what you are referring to if you are going to make such a claim. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
Yet standards set by the American Board of Recorded Evidence indicate "there must be at least 10 comparable words between two voice samples to reach a minimal decision criteria." While Zimmerman says more than that many words on his 911 call, the only one heard on the second is a cry for "help." David Faigman, a professor of law at the University of California-Hastings and an expert on the admissibility of scientific evidence, said courts and the overall scientific community have mixed opinions about the reliability of such "voiceprint" analysis. Still, he said, it wouldn't be too hard for Zimmerman's attorneys to find an audio expert to offer an opposing opinion. "These expert witnesses come out of the woodwork when money is concerned," he said. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/02/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/02/analysts-questions-surround-911-call-analysis-in-trayvon-martin-case/?hpt=hp_t2 | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:04 Zaqwe wrote: Artifacts don't move with an object the way Zimmerman's wounds do. And can you highlight where in your pictures example you see "the same kind of artifacts" you claim are in the video? I have studied them for a very long time now and I can't see any scratches magically appearing in the second picture that weren't in the first one. You need to specifically circle what you are referring to if you are going to make such a claim. the most obvious place is if you look at the police cruiser. especially the edged areas such as words. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
If he isn't charged with anything won't there be no actual court case? I'm somewhat uneducated when it comes to self-defense laws and the actual legal process involving it. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On April 03 2012 11:51 Krohm wrote: I have a quick question regarding this whole thread. But has Zimmerman been charged with anything at all yet? If he isn't charged with anything won't there be no actual court case? I'm somewhat uneducated when it comes to self-defense laws and the actual legal process involving it. If he isn't charged, there will be no criminal case. Either way though, there will almost certainly be at least one civil case. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
I've heard that Martin was trespassing on private property at the time as well as hearing that it was public property. I've heard that Martin was the lead suspect for a series of burglaries as well. The witnesses report entirely different things and for some reason no one knows for sure if Zimmerman had any injuries. This is the weirdest case I've ever followed. How the hell can different outlets be reporting entirely different things. I think the police are to blame. The officers at the scene obviously failed to do their job. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:11 BlackJack wrote: Enhanced ABC video that shows injuries to Zimmerman's head http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/george-zimmerman-enhanced-video-shows-injury-trayvon-martin-16053206 thats a nasty looking injury. would love to see some closeup photos of it. | ||
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Kinuzki
Finland16 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On April 03 2012 17:34 Defacer wrote: I'm officially going to stop touching this subject with a ten foot pole. Between the lack of evidence and the "discoveries" of the media everyday, trying to speculate on what should or should happen to Zimmerman is just a good way to make yourself look foolish. I agree, there are a lot of wierd discoveries from all angles that contradict each other. There is no way for any outsider to get a picture of what really happened. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:01 red_b wrote: the most obvious place is if you look at the police cruiser. especially the edged areas such as words. No, in the comparison picture of a lamp(?) you provided that you say has artifacts appearing in it from filtering which are similar to the wound on Zimmerman's head. These pictures you have provided appear to show nothing at all. All the scratches on the lamp(?) which are enhanced were in the original. No artifacts have appeared like what you are talking about. You need to circle what you are talking about in red or something because you are making some pretty bold claims but what you have shown doesn't appear to back you up. So really, what is the picture of the lamp supposed to illustrate? | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:19 dAPhREAk wrote: thats a nasty looking injury. would love to see some closeup photos of it. ABC is a fairly neutral news source? | ||
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st4ck0v3rfl0w
79 Posts
There is no enhancement like this: ![[image loading]](http://666kb.com/i/c2mqs08a4lh6e8m5u.jpg) You cannot recreate information that was destoyed because of blurryness or compression artefacts. There are two methods to enhance a bad picture, which are by photoshop (where the artist decides how the "enhanced reality" looks like) and algorithms which give us the impression of a better picture but do not put new information in the picture. Just look at the comparison by red_b above. So I searched for the original video and this is the best version I found (dated to Mar 30). As you can clearly see ABC did not enhance the right side, but instead burred the left side! Ok lets go to the "injury", where ABC only provides a still photo. ![[image loading]](http://666kb.com/i/c2mqydbdhbozc18aa.jpg) As you can see there are incredible sharpen-filter-artefacts. Remember: these algorithms give us the impression of a better image but do not have more information. So lets go back to the original source: ![[image loading]](http://666kb.com/i/c2mr0ut14xy0xxnw2.jpg) If you watch this a few times (in motion!) I think you will come to the same conclusion as me: This is in fact a "vally" in his skull, which is quite common. Most people do not have a smooth surface on their head. If you ever shaved your head, you know what I am talking about. In motion you see quite clearly that there is just a brief moment where you can see this dark line, that is when the light is in the right spot to cast a shadow in his "skull vally" | ||
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Felnarion
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
I'm inclined to think that if there had been a serious injury (which pretty much any headtrauma is) it would have been documented by the police and Zimmerman would have spent some time in a hospital determining the extent of his concussion, which he must have had if his head was slammed into the pavement with some force. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:02 Derez wrote: Did they explain yet why the police didn't document these injuries in the first place? From my own experience, if you end up with injuries after a fight and get taken to the police station they'll photograph every little scratch, and I assume that's standard procedure in the US too. I'm inclined to think that if there had been a serious injury (which pretty much any headtrauma is) it would have been documented by the police and Zimmerman would have spent some time in a hospital determining the extent of his concussion, which he must have had if his head was slammed into the pavement with some force. Did they explain yet that the police didn't document these injuries ? Or are we simply assuming because the police have not made public everything they have done ? As for the hospital visit, the decision of whether to go to the hospital was Zimmerman's. | ||
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