On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
for example:
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
I doubt anyone would argue that shit is fucked up. The point is that there are segments of Israeli society (hello settlers that are consciously stealing another ethnic group's land) that are just as equally fucked up.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
His posts in this thread have been largely sensationalist and show a severe lack of insight. It's obvious he's never been to Israel, probably doesn't even know any Jews in real life and if he's taking youtube videos like that as serious evidence his post are better off ignored. You can find maniacs in any religion. Here look:
Christians think its ok to kill Gays.
If he'd actually had any real idea about the social climate in Israel he'd know that most Jews/Israelis are nothing like those orthodox and tons of Israelis are completely secular and don't even practice religion.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
I doubt anyone would argue that shit is fucked up. The point is that there are segments of Israeli society (hello settlers that are consciously stealing another ethnic group's land) that are just as equally fucked up.
There are a tiny minority who dont have representation in the government though.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
I am not denying it, I am just saying that you should change your view on the matter, you gain nothing by pointing fingers and demonizing others. How many times do I have to repeat it?
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
I doubt anyone would argue that shit is fucked up. The point is that there are segments of Israeli society (hello settlers that are consciously stealing another ethnic group's land) that are just as equally fucked up.
There are a tiny minority who dont have representation in the government though.
There's over 500,000 (in a population of 8 million), and they're known for voting in a bloc in a proportional representation system, and often times form the lynchpin of support for the centre-right governments. They have a huge amount of political influence above and beyond what their population alone should, and that's not even including the Israeli's living in Israel proper that actively support settlement. For Chrit's sake, they just approved 3,000 more homes in East Jerusalem. The government actively supports settlement politically, they use it as a weapon, and it recieves huge government support. What your have said is provably false.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Do you want to cite any of those differences that make his analogy inappropriate? You make a lot of claims but don't actually justify much.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Do you want to cite any of those differences that make his analogy inappropriate? You make a lot of claims but don't actually justify much.
Don't you know a bit of history? how can you even compare these two situations? And where are your proofs?
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Do you want to cite any of those differences that make his analogy inappropriate? You make a lot of claims but don't actually justify much.
Don't you know a bit of history? how can you even compare these two situations? And where are your proofs?
I wasn't the one making the comparison, you were the one denying it. Like I thought, you don't really know.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Do you want to cite any of those differences that make his analogy inappropriate? You make a lot of claims but don't actually justify much.
Agree, here the analogy doesn't seem fitting: time, religion, both are recognized states since a long time, no religious claims on the land,....
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Which is exactly why the Israel of today has no interest in becoming the Israel of 1967. It was a completely different era, with different mentalities, and a different situation. But you're right, lets rewind time back to 1967. Give the west bank back to Jordan, give the Gaza strip back to Egypt.
Haha, just kidding. We all know Egypt and Jordan don't want any Palestinians crossing their borders freely. My question to you is why it makes logical sense for Israel to propose open borders under increased Hamas terrorism when Egypt and Jordan oppose the same thing without even having to deal with the added threat of terrorist attacks.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Which is exactly why the Israel of today has no interest in becoming the Israel of 1967. It was a completely different era, with different mentalities, and a different situation. But you're right, lets rewind time back to 1967. Give the west bank back to Jordan, give the Gaza strip back to Egypt.
Haha, just kidding. We all know Egypt and Jordan don't want any Palestinians crossing their borders freely. My question to you is why it makes logical sense for Israel to propose open borders under increased Hamas terrorism when Egypt and Jordan oppose the same thing without even having to deal with the added threat of terrorist attacks.
Prolly has to do with the fact that Palestinians don't fire rockets on Egypt or Jordan. Seems that the more rockets that get fired at you, the bigger of a douche you are. So much for the world wide media being controlled by Jews.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Do you want to cite any of those differences that make his analogy inappropriate? You make a lot of claims but don't actually justify much.
Don't you know a bit of history? how can you even compare these two situations? And where are your proofs?
I wasn't the one making the comparison, you were the one denying it. Like I thought, you don't really know.
We have Mexico having Texas. Then we have Americans buying land and Texas announcing independence and accepting American offer for annexation. Here we have '67 borders which are accepted by everyone except Israel. It provides the possibility to achieve peace. Land is not bought by Israel first, but it is conquered. Completely different stories. Mind you he was responding to my claim of '67 borders not the '48 ones
On December 02 2012 07:03 Goozen wrote: [quote] Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
The reason most people think that way is because of the second intifada, the situation in the west bank was the best it had ever been and relation were decent but there was discontent growing among the palestinians about corruption in the PA. It was a massive wave of violence that cost many lives, the Palestinian police that Israel armed and tried turn their guns on us. Not only that, we see what the Palestinian education system teach the children, the shows it broadcasts to it people its full of venom and religious zeal to kill Jews. These are some of the reason the majority dont ever see peace as possible, as the past has given us no reason to be optimistic.
You are demonizing entire people and you seem to silently consent what I said in the beginning. There are even shows and Jews talking about Muslims as if they were the worst of creation. But I am not using that as a reference to make my judgement of the whole nation. Your answers so far have been ''But, they did this'' only, how old are you?
24, but this isnt endorsed by the government or on national television.
Still it proves that there are extreme elements in your society too and that I do not make prejudices. You should too adopt the same attitude towards palestinians, because as long as you think that you are superior to them, peace will not happen and even if Israel crushes any of their opponents, tyranny can go only so far. It is in the longterm interest of both Israel and Palestine to reach peace as soon as possible.
As soon as im done with this i will link some shows that the PA funds and broadcasting on their television station.
I doubt anyone would argue that shit is fucked up. The point is that there are segments of Israeli society (hello settlers that are consciously stealing another ethnic group's land) that are just as equally fucked up.
There are a tiny minority who dont have representation in the government though.
There's over 500,000 (in a population of 8 million), and they're known for voting in a bloc in a proportional representation system, and often times form the lynchpin of support for the centre-right governments. They have a huge amount of political influence above and beyond what their population alone should, and that's not even including the Israeli's living in Israel proper that actively support settlement. For Chrit's sake, they just approved 3,000 more homes in East Jerusalem. The government actively supports settlement politically, they use it as a weapon, and it recieves huge government support. What your have said is provably false.
the 500,00 aren't all settlers, there all people who live over the green line. There is a lacking of housing in Israel so people live where they can. The mistake is calling all of them settlers, when if you look at Gilo and pisgat ze'ave those are suburbs of Jerusalem. Its also worth pointing out that Israeli arabs who love on east Jerusalem want to stay in Israel and not be in a Palestinian state.source Edit: Worth adding that trying to make a analogy with anywhere else is dumb, this conflict is unique.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Which is exactly why the Israel of today has no interest in becoming the Israel of 1967. It was a completely different era, with different mentalities, and a different situation. But you're right, lets rewind time back to 1967. Give the west bank back to Jordan, give the Gaza strip back to Egypt.
Haha, just kidding. We all know Egypt and Jordan don't want any Palestinians crossing their borders freely. My question to you is why it makes logical sense for Israel to propose open borders under increased Hamas terrorism when Egypt and Jordan oppose the same thing without even having to deal with the added threat of terrorist attacks.
Prolly has to do with the fact that Palestinians don't fire rockets on Egypt or Jordan. Seems that the more rockets that get fired at you, the bigger of a douche you are. So much for the world wide media being controlled by Jews.
And again let's play the blame game. The did it, right? No wonder there is not peace down there if the majority of you think that way. And different times in the same place and same players, is much more acceptable than comparing it to different, time and place and players involved.
On December 02 2012 06:44 ContrailNZ wrote: An ideal solution is for Palestine to merge with Egypt, and give a decent amount of land from Israel to Egypt at the border.
There will never be peace as long as it is in Iran's benefit to provide weapons through Egypt to Palestine.
The stalemate will just carry on and on until Iran runs out of oil money. Then the middle east goes to hell, with maybe Israel surviving.
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Which is exactly why the Israel of today has no interest in becoming the Israel of 1967. It was a completely different era, with different mentalities, and a different situation. But you're right, lets rewind time back to 1967. Give the west bank back to Jordan, give the Gaza strip back to Egypt.
Haha, just kidding. We all know Egypt and Jordan don't want any Palestinians crossing their borders freely. My question to you is why it makes logical sense for Israel to propose open borders under increased Hamas terrorism when Egypt and Jordan oppose the same thing without even having to deal with the added threat of terrorist attacks.
Just curious, what nationality do Palestinians have since they don't have a state ? Can they travel at all or is everybody closing their borders and keeping them stuck in their country ?
That's a terrible solution. The best solution would be along the '67 borders. The majority supports it excluding Israel.
Because its unidentifiable and Israel won it in the war. Not to mention this still wont solve the Refugee issue.
You like to boast about Israel winning the war. You know, by talking to you and other Israeli posters here and in other threads, i got the impression that all of you think the only solution is a military one. Netanyahu thinks too as do 70% of your population (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162449#.ULqAJ4ey54M) I'd appreciate you to be honest and say it in full light.
Netanyahu is a warmonger, there is no denying, and when you have a warmonger leading a country with nuclear weapons, things don't tend to end well. With '67 borders the majority of the problems would be solved and it would be a great step toward more stability. Even Hamas accepts 67 borders. Obama too. Guess who doesn't. That sole fact explains how Netanyahu doesn't want peace.
This is akin to the world saying that the United States should give Texas back to Mexico to solve its immigration problems.
No. Mexico is a state that has good relations with USA and doesn't ask for Texas to be returned. That example is stupid and worn out, can't you be more creative?
Yea, because Mexico knows that'd be a ridiculous request... Doesn't mean it's not an appropriate analogy.
Completely different eras, mentalities, situations, cultures and everything else. Do not mix apples and pears. I wonder if you would have this attitude if the situation was reversed. Guess not.
Which is exactly why the Israel of today has no interest in becoming the Israel of 1967. It was a completely different era, with different mentalities, and a different situation. But you're right, lets rewind time back to 1967. Give the west bank back to Jordan, give the Gaza strip back to Egypt.
Haha, just kidding. We all know Egypt and Jordan don't want any Palestinians crossing their borders freely. My question to you is why it makes logical sense for Israel to propose open borders under increased Hamas terrorism when Egypt and Jordan oppose the same thing without even having to deal with the added threat of terrorist attacks.
Prolly has to do with the fact that Palestinians don't fire rockets on Egypt or Jordan. Seems that the more rockets that get fired at you, the bigger of a douche you are. So much for the world wide media being controlled by Jews.
And again let's play the blame game. The did it, right? No wonder there is not peace down there if the majority of you think that way. And different times in the same place and same players, is much more acceptable than comparing it to different, time and place and players involved.
Its not so easy as to say "water under the bridge" out of 50 people in my high school grade, 3 lost a parent to suicide bombings in the city. You cant expect people to just say for things like this "let bygones be bygones".
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